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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 15 2011 06:29 GMT
#61
On November 15 2011 15:19 zer0das wrote:
I love how they make it seem like they're making these earth shattering readjustments to ranged ADs, and aside from the Graves/Kog'Maw nerf, none of them are that significant.


Maybe they learned their lesson when they massacred all the other ad carries? Significant nerfs really aren't the way to balance the game (unless you introduce somebody who is just blatantly absurd like release Graves). Neglecting Graves, the top ad carries right now have absurd range or do %max health damage. Kog'Maw was super duper overpowered because he had both. I'm not entirely sure how you balance around that, but I think caitlyn found a good place before she got nerfed and then nerfed again. %max health damage is a whole different ballgame though that I'm not sure how they can really balance, and I have no clue why they felt like Tristana needed buffs. She might not be an outlier on the power curve like Kog'Maw, but she definitely isn't bad and needing buffs.

I just don't understand how Riot continues to do pointless buffs to corki/MF when their mana costs are the real issue. Corki Q buff is nice and all except the absurd mana cost it has means I can only cast it once or twice before I'm out of mana
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 15 2011 06:29 GMT
#62
On November 15 2011 15:16 rigwarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 15:09 Lorken wrote:
That's a really nice cooldown increase on CV I think. Also, why the Orianna buff anyone know?

Probably because she hasn't seen play at any ELO in 95% of games


Those buffs don't make me want to play her again, I need my auto range to go back up before I do, I could care less about those changes.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
November 15 2011 06:33 GMT
#63
Personally, I'll give Orianna another go. I think the mastery changes plus the slight buffs might make her able to lane again, but I'm not sure yet.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 15 2011 06:35 GMT
#64
On November 15 2011 15:29 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 15:16 rigwarl wrote:
On November 15 2011 15:09 Lorken wrote:
That's a really nice cooldown increase on CV I think. Also, why the Orianna buff anyone know?

Probably because she hasn't seen play at any ELO in 95% of games


Those buffs don't make me want to play her again, I need my auto range to go back up before I do, I could care less about those changes.

They did put the auto range at 525 instead of 500 (it used to be 550 before orianna had the bajeezes nerfed out of her)

Really wish they didn't overnerf to begin with, though.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 15 2011 06:37 GMT
#65
Yea...I never really understood the reasoning behind the nerfs to her auto range...Like...her autoattack harass is painful for the first few levels, but it really wasn't that much stronger than other AP carries auto harass until she got a decent amount of AP 'cause her base AD is super low.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 15 2011 06:38 GMT
#66
On November 15 2011 15:29 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 15:19 zer0das wrote:
I love how they make it seem like they're making these earth shattering readjustments to ranged ADs, and aside from the Graves/Kog'Maw nerf, none of them are that significant.


I just don't understand how Riot continues to do pointless buffs to corki/MF when their mana costs are the real issue. Corki Q buff is nice and all except the absurd mana cost it has means I can only cast it once or twice before I'm out of mana


This is really what my complaint is. It isn't exactly rocket science how to fix MF/Corki, and adjusting MF's ult isn't really going to do much. Yet that's all they've really changed...

Also watching the champ preview, Fizz looks really freaking annoying. Potentially more annoying than Rumble.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 15 2011 06:45 GMT
#67
On November 15 2011 15:38 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 15:29 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 15 2011 15:19 zer0das wrote:
I love how they make it seem like they're making these earth shattering readjustments to ranged ADs, and aside from the Graves/Kog'Maw nerf, none of them are that significant.


I just don't understand how Riot continues to do pointless buffs to corki/MF when their mana costs are the real issue. Corki Q buff is nice and all except the absurd mana cost it has means I can only cast it once or twice before I'm out of mana


This is really what my complaint is. It isn't exactly rocket science how to fix MF/Corki, and adjusting MF's ult isn't really going to do much. Yet that's all they've really changed...

Also watching the champ preview, Fizz looks really freaking annoying. Potentially more annoying than Rumble.


Adjusting MF's ult would do something if they made it physical damage so late game it actually got your Last Whisper pen and did something.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 15 2011 06:49 GMT
#68
On November 15 2011 15:45 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 15:38 zer0das wrote:
On November 15 2011 15:29 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 15 2011 15:19 zer0das wrote:
I love how they make it seem like they're making these earth shattering readjustments to ranged ADs, and aside from the Graves/Kog'Maw nerf, none of them are that significant.


I just don't understand how Riot continues to do pointless buffs to corki/MF when their mana costs are the real issue. Corki Q buff is nice and all except the absurd mana cost it has means I can only cast it once or twice before I'm out of mana


This is really what my complaint is. It isn't exactly rocket science how to fix MF/Corki, and adjusting MF's ult isn't really going to do much. Yet that's all they've really changed...

Also watching the champ preview, Fizz looks really freaking annoying. Potentially more annoying than Rumble.


Adjusting MF's ult would do something if they made it physical damage so late game it actually got your Last Whisper pen and did something.


Except lategame your autos would do more damage than your ult anyways so why bother ^_^ Unless all five of them stand in your ultimate...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 15 2011 06:58 GMT
#69
maybe im just terrible but am i the only one suprised that shayvana didnt get nerfed the patch after her release just like graves? seems they make the new champ op on purpose to make people buy it

but like i said, maybe i just die to her/it because im bad
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
November 15 2011 07:14 GMT
#70
On November 15 2011 15:58 turdburgler wrote:
maybe im just terrible but am i the only one suprised that shayvana didnt get nerfed the patch after her release just like graves? seems they make the new champ op on purpose to make people buy it

but like i said, maybe i just die to her/it because im bad


The general consensus is that she's a mediocre champ - what would likely draw new players to buy her is the 'cool factor' of turning into a dragon.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 15 2011 07:17 GMT
#71
I think the wrigglers life steal nerf was unnecessary.
And holy shit,cleanse is so good lol.
Cackle™
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 07:23:08
November 15 2011 07:20 GMT
#72
Really excited to play orianna without having to buy a chalice every game
FruitMarket
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
November 15 2011 07:23 GMT
#73
On November 15 2011 15:58 turdburgler wrote:
maybe im just terrible but am i the only one suprised that shayvana didnt get nerfed the patch after her release just like graves? seems they make the new champ op on purpose to make people buy it

but like i said, maybe i just die to her/it because im bad

the lack of stuns/snares really keeps her off the "op" list
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:02:56
November 15 2011 08:00 GMT
#74
New skins from the Fizz patch:

http://imgur.com/a/jfujE

DAT BLINGED OUT JAX

I really like Fizz's skins. Whale>you

(Note: I didn't make this)
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 15 2011 08:00 GMT
#75
fizz looks awesome, another instabuy for me
probably gonna have to get his orca-ult skin too holy balls so cute
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 15 2011 08:03 GMT
#76
On November 15 2011 17:00 gtrsrs wrote:
fizz looks awesome, another instabuy for me
probably gonna have to get his orca-ult skin too holy balls so cute


I love fizz's style. :D can't wait to try him out
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
November 15 2011 08:10 GMT
#77
That jax skin...he has a real weapon :\

Otherwise I super pumped to mess around with the new masteries :D
Veni, vidi, vici!
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
November 15 2011 08:11 GMT
#78
Huge patch. Werent they saying 'we are keeping the patch small since its going to be a tournament patch and we dont want to change too much'?

So they changed... everything....
KCCO!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
November 15 2011 08:15 GMT
#79
The splash art for the new ashe skin is freaking me out.... those legs do not belong on that body (look at the angle of her stomach vs her right leg). And then theres the fact that her thigh, waist, and head are all the same size. It looks like a decent skin but that picture is just anatomically freakish.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 15 2011 08:17 GMT
#80
so is any champion with an escape or dash or jump or w/e like graves renekton cait etc going to really easily be able to escape noc's fear?
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