EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 21
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:15 LoCicero wrote: So my stream is now featured on TL!! Thank you Tyler! Listed as Brood War XD | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
Yeah I fixed it =D. | ||
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koreasilver
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 16 2011 08:18 mr_tolkien wrote: Because you think having Wriggles and Wits end is completly bypassing tankiness ? If the opposing AD is good at kiting, your shield will just be used to tank the damage you could have avoided moving faster in his face with E :D I don't see the use of blue on Udyr past the first though, and would see why Turtle is good if you plan to take the first 3 blues. The mid should ALWAYS have better use of the blue than you though. And as I said, with W max, your ganks will be lacking, your clears will be longer (no speed boost between camps, and turtle is just useless at taking out camps), and even though you'll be more tanky, you're not much of an initiator anyway (no real gap closer, no AoE CC, ...). Your goal is to get into people's face and be able to annoy them while staying alive, like all tanks. Going early E maxing and no W allows you to do that even better, and when you hit an E, have 3 passive stacks, and press R, the guy you're hitting will probably be dead by the time he is out of the stun. I don't go warmogs in my build btw, but phage/giant's belt, then decide on what to branch. Warmogs is awful if bought too late, and the goal of all «tanky» chars is to be at the frontier between too tanky (meaning you won't do shit, as nobody will care about you with a good reason) and too much DPS (which is why hybrid DPS/defense objects like Wits end are good). Except Singed. I think we'll have to agree to disagree though, because nobody here seems to have ever tried to max E over W. But having played exclusively Udyr for 1 month (around 150 games with him this last month), and having toyed with all Udyr's build (Tiger-Turtle, Phœnix-Turtle, Phœnix-Bear, Phœnix-Tiger, ...), I can ensure you the most effective for jungle Udyr is Phœnix-Bear. In lane it's Turtle-Tiger though. if you build wriggles on udyr, then you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. w/e i disagree, not saying that R -> E doesn't work, but R -> W is wayyyyyyy better for anything other than ganking, and you're overestimating the value of having those extra points in E on those ganks anyways. Also, on Dignitas, 2nd blue at 7:20 is always given to Udyr. If you use E anywhere but ganking I can see why you think it's necessary though as udyr mana costs are impossible with level 1 skills. and warmog is completely useless on jungle udyr, | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:07 Craton wrote: never take anything that involves hotshot and support as meaningful Normally I would take it as trolling, but it seems like I read somewhere that he'd prefer to play support. | ||
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aliasds
Canada555 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YSa78.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RT5r7.png) Is this guy for real? How is this even possible? I'm so confused by everything in this profile... This guy added me out of nowhere; never seen him before this. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:23 aliasds wrote: + Show Spoiler + Is this guy for real? How is this even possible? I'm so confused by everything in this profile... This guy added me out of nowhere; never seen him before this. I added you because you're on my Dominion team for NeoIllusion's tournament, I smurf solo queue because it is entertaining for me (DONT JUDGE). Think of it as the opposite of the ELO police  | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:24 rigwarl wrote: I added you because you're on my Dominion team for NeoIllusion's tournament, I smurf solo queue because it is entertaining for me (DONT JUDGE). Think of it as the opposite of the ELO police And suddenly I realize how terrible I am when I see something like that. Holy hells, I need to get better at this game. I am just dumbfounded. LoCi on featured is pretty neat. We will bring in many viewers and it will be neat. His mantheon will crush viewers hearts into loving it. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:07 Craton wrote: never take anything that involves hotshot and support as meaningful Eh, he played support pretty often around WCG time last year. I thought of him as a Taric player just as much as a Nidalee player back then. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:23 aliasds wrote: + Show Spoiler + Is this guy for real? How is this even possible? I'm so confused by everything in this profile... This guy added me out of nowhere; never seen him before this. Mediocre player who is artificially raising his W:L ratio by queue dodging and playing ranked at 600 elo. Move along, nothing to see here. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote: how to build fizz? D: AP or tanky deeps saints goin deeps on stream right now | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
Congrats Loci! What kinda viewer numbers do you need to keep it up there? | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
I played that match up only once in ranked so far and I got demolished. Was behind on farm and ate some true dmg every time I tried to go in to cs. Add a shaco in the formula and you have a sad Riven player, partially costing his team the match. Granted my jungler was cho who would rather help others or jungle and ignore my desperate cries. Since Olaf's E outranges Riven's stun (atleast it appeared so to me), I was pretty much unable to lane. Does Riven really need jungler's help to win the matchup or was I playing it wrong? | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
In general, any solo top that gets successfully ganked early will be fighting an uphill battle. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
i.e. Morgana's ult 1) First hit - Does Rylai's add the 15% slow to her already present 20% slow making it 35%? Is it multiplicative? Or does it proc after her initial slow wears off adding length to the total slow time? 2) Second hit - If the stun time is longer, is the slow proc comepletely wasted? I'm guessing it activates at the same time as the stun, but is masked by the stun. If the stun time is shorter, will they be slowed once it wears off? For the difference in time (1.5s - x)? | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
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