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Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
November 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#421
Irelia gets pooped on by almost any competent solo laner top for the first few levels. She slowly reaches the point where she can win the lane once she's tanky enough to withstand the blows and let her true damage wreck face.

Riven should play aggressive from very early on, since her abilities don't cost anything and she has a stun AND a shield to win the exchanges. Once you hit 6, your execute ultimate is super scary.

Try swapping how you play Riven and Irelia up.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#422
On November 16 2011 12:11 beefhamburger wrote:
1) First hit - Does Rylai's add the 15% slow to her already present 20% slow making it 35%? Is it multiplicative? Or does it proc after her initial slow wears off adding length to the total slow time?

Slow stacking is multiplicative with 65% effectiveness on any slow weaker than the strongest one. So the total slow percentage is 1 - (1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.15*0.65) = 27.8%.

On November 16 2011 12:11 beefhamburger wrote:
2) Second hit - If the stun time is longer, is the slow proc comepletely wasted? I'm guessing it activates at the same time as the stun, but is masked by the stun. If the stun time is shorter, will they be slowed once it wears off? For the difference in time (1.5s - x)?

Correct. The slow overlaps the stun.
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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
November 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#423
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 16 2011 03:37 GMT
#424
On November 16 2011 11:15 LoCicero wrote:
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Bluebush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
November 16 2011 04:03 GMT
#425
Just wanted to say that Karma with 21 in offense is amazing and fun
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 16 2011 04:36 GMT
#426
I have decided that 21 defense on jungles is stupid and pointless now that nimbleness is gone.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
November 16 2011 04:45 GMT
#427
I wonder how viable Surge would be on Pheonix Udyr. The Attack Speed component seems like it'd make a huge difference on Blue/Dragon.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 16 2011 04:47 GMT
#428
I'd much rather ghost to chase them down than surge. While it would help earlier, ghost is simply better on udyr when you are already required smite for baron/dragon control. Might be decent in lane though, solo top birdyr style.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 04:58:38
November 16 2011 04:57 GMT
#429
On November 16 2011 13:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
I have decided that 21 defense on jungles is stupid and pointless now that nimbleness is gone.


I feel like offense is so overpowered that there's no reason to run anything else. I was considering running a 21 utility mastery for the clairvoyance cooldown, but I feel like the small amount of ap gained from offense will be so much stronger.

On November 16 2011 13:45 ManyCookies wrote:
I wonder how viable Surge would be on Pheonix Udyr. The Attack Speed component seems like it'd make a huge difference on Blue/Dragon.


Except you don't play Phoenix Udyr to do damage so it's useless.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 16 2011 05:01 GMT
#430
Jungle Xin is now fairly ridiculous. With 21/9/0, AS Quints/Marks/Glyphs and Armor Seals he can start Boots + 3 Potions and do a straight clear starting at wolves/blue finishing by 3:45 with half health leftover (QWEQ). With a leash there's no doubt he'd be at full health at the end.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 05:05:21
November 16 2011 05:02 GMT
#431
On November 16 2011 13:57 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Except you don't play Phoenix Udyr to do damage so it's useless.


Oh of course. I meant using Surge on your starting Blue / early Dragons.

In a quick custom, I did a 3:18 clear with 2 potions left. Not bad.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 05:05:53
November 16 2011 05:03 GMT
#432
On November 16 2011 13:45 ManyCookies wrote:
I wonder how viable Surge would be on Pheonix Udyr. The Attack Speed component seems like it'd make a huge difference on Blue/Dragon.

Phoenix Udyr can't afford to give up Flash. Flash->Bear stun is too useful in too many situations for Surge to be worthwhile comparatively.

And if you're giving up Smite, well I have nothing to say to you.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 16 2011 05:04 GMT
#433
On November 16 2011 14:01 Seuss wrote:
Jungle Xin is now fairly ridiculous. With 21/9/0, AS Quints/Marks/Glyphs and Armor Seals he can start Boots + 3 Potions and do a straight clear starting at wolves/blue finishing by 3:45 with half health leftover (QWEQ). With a leash there's no doubt he'd be at full health at the end.


!

If this is true I can start playing my bread and butter again. Did you rush wriggles or WE?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 16 2011 05:04 GMT
#434
On November 16 2011 14:02 ManyCookies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 13:57 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Except you don't play Phoenix Udyr to do damage so it's useless.


Oh of course. I meant using it on your starting Blue / early Dragons.


If you're thinking about exchanging it for smite I suggest you learn why people take smite. If you're taking it instead of your other summoner, Phoenix Udyr already has one of the fastest clears in the game. Wasting a summoner to make it slightly faster is not a good idea. I could see a Surge gank being interesting, but I feel like flashing for the stun would be better 99% of the time than the extra damage.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 16 2011 05:15 GMT
#435
Does anyone know if it's possible to bind my summoner spells to mouse keys? Trying to do so in game gives me a "Key unbound" error.
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 05:20:51
November 16 2011 05:18 GMT
#436
I haven't had success with mouse key binding either Cixah. I don't think it's supported, which is a shame.


And if you're giving up Smite, well I have nothing to say to you.


I'm offended you even considered that an option!
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
November 16 2011 05:39 GMT
#437
On November 16 2011 14:15 Cixah wrote:
Does anyone know if it's possible to bind my summoner spells to mouse keys? Trying to do so in game gives me a "Key unbound" error.


Should be possible to use a third-party program to remap the keys for the League of Legends client? I did something like that for another game that didn't support "real" binding to mouse keys.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 16 2011 05:55 GMT
#438
The new patch just kicked in on the euw server and 30/0/0 jax is kinda fucking insane in his usual strong early lvl phase.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
November 16 2011 06:10 GMT
#439
What is everyone's thoughts on getting improved smite? Getting it means you can't get runic mastery and 21 offence, but it is quite a bit of gold. Maybe 12/9/9?
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 06:41:40
November 16 2011 06:39 GMT
#440
omgah...fizz does sooooo much damage if you build him pure AP :D dem ap ratios so insane. and spellvamp on him is pretty broken cause of his W
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