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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:00 LoCicero wrote: Too many games played with gingerBrown today. I don't even want to play league of legends anymore. I saw a lot of them. He just looks painful to play with. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
but still, getting kills on akali with malph is just rain man being dumb l0l0l0l. Rain man carry so hard in solo queue, suck hard in scrims. Hotshot somehow unable to get above 1700 elo, but is pretty scary in competitive play l0l. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:07 overt wrote: Chauster beat Rain Man top pretty hard in the first game too. Rain Man was Udyr and Chauster was Akali. Chauster is just straight up better than Rain Man imo. I really don't think Rain Man is that good. Carried by his team, imho. EDIT: Relative to other pros of his level * | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
1) Why does people say MF is a bad AD carry (or at least one of the lesser one) I think shes fine and her passive makes her so incredibly quick, her earlygame damage output is quite bad imo as graves does so much more damage but other than that her late games pretty damn nice with REGEN reduct. Am I correct? Is it because of her lack-luster skills? 2) Wtf is with AP Sion all of a sudden in most games, this is getting really annoying because at my ELO (1400) People keep dying to him and feeding him so he can easily gank both bot and top easily with his stun + HUGE ap attack. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:31 RogerX wrote: I have two questions in mind today: 1) Why does people say MF is a bad AD carry (or at least one of the lesser one) I think shes fine and her passive makes her so incredibly quick, her earlygame damage output is quite bad imo as graves does so much more damage but other than that her late games pretty damn nice with REGEN reduct. Am I correct? Is it because of her lack-luster skills? 2) Wtf is with AP Sion all of a sudden in most games, this is getting really annoying because at my ELO (1400) People keep dying to him and feeding him so he can easily gank both bot and top easily with his stun + HUGE ap attack. 1- Tag her once and her passive is done. Its pretty much useless in teamfights, and any half decent team is going to just hit her so she is screwed. Her q is outclassed by cait and graves, her w is outclassed by vayne, her e is useless, and her ult is shit compared to graves. Basically, for any actual goal that you want in an ad carry (burst damage, sustained damage, early game dominance, late game dominance) somebody else does it MUCH better than she does. Thats why she is a lesser ad carry. 2- You explained why you see him a lot. He stomps bads. People at that elo play champs that stomp bads. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:38 Two_DoWn wrote: 1- Tag her once and her passive is done. Its pretty much useless in teamfights, and any half decent team is going to just hit her so she is screwed. Her q is outclassed by cait and graves, her w is outclassed by vayne, her e is useless, and her ult is shit compared to graves. Basically, for any actual goal that you want in an ad carry (burst damage, sustained damage, early game dominance, late game dominance) somebody else does it MUCH better than she does. Thats why she is a lesser ad carry. 2- You explained why you see him a lot. He stomps bads. People at that elo play champs that stomp bads. Thanks for the answers  It makes sense and most of my speculation was right.Is there any hard counter to Sion or will it always be hard CC? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:43 RogerX wrote: Thanks for the answers It makes sense and most of my speculation was right.Is there any hard counter to Sion or will it always be hard CC? Make sure you force your teammates to be aware when he is mia. Mid/late game just pop his shield. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:55 Southlight wrote: More accurately, MF is disfavored because two heroes simply outperform her greatest strengths: Cait has better attack animation and range, and Graves has most of MF's terrain control but does it better. MF is one of those AD heroes that simply works better in a solo lane, but people have allergies to placing good solo ranged AD heroes in solo lanes anymore. Maybe I'm thinking this through more than most peoples' "nubs pros don't do it go bot" but isn't the biggest problem with AD mid nowadays just your bot lane? If people could ever figure out a bot lane that isn't ranged/support that doesn't lose to it, I could see it, but if you throw an AD carry mid you're probably going to need a second for bot and then you're going to have an awful team. I mean, I think most people still realize Corki and Cait are good solos.. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 03 2011 15:09 Seiuchi wrote: Maybe I'm thinking this through more than most peoples' "nubs pros don't do it go bot" but isn't the biggest problem with AD mid nowadays just your bot lane? If people could ever figure out a bot lane that isn't ranged/support that doesn't lose to it, I could see it, but if you throw an AD carry mid you're probably going to need a second for bot and then you're going to have an awful team. I mean, I think most people still realize Corki and Cait are good solos.. Double stun lane. Double tank CC lane. Assassin + support lane (will probably lose early). There are lots of things that can beat AD/support. The change happened because AD/support bottom is safer for the AD carry (and thus easier to farm) and because AP carries can gank better than AD carries (usually). edit: Basically it was an issue of farming. ADs solo'd mid because it was the safest lane from ganks. Then people started sending them bottom with a baby sitter for guaranteed farm. The reasoning should be obvious at this point, no one scales as hard or carries as hard in the late game as ranged AD carries do. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
NVM it just came back. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On November 03 2011 15:09 Seiuchi wrote: Maybe I'm thinking this through more than most peoples' "nubs pros don't do it go bot" but isn't the biggest problem with AD mid nowadays just your bot lane? If people could ever figure out a bot lane that isn't ranged/support that doesn't lose to it, I could see it, but if you throw an AD carry mid you're probably going to need a second for bot and then you're going to have an awful team. I mean, I think most people still realize Corki and Cait are good solos.. ohgod this discussion again | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 03 2011 16:20 rob.au wrote: There's no real problem with AD mid, it's just that you need a more specific team comp for it to work well/better than ad/support bot. Not even. You're just looking for specific matchups in both lanes to make your farm work out. Some of those favorable matchups are surprisingly common (e.g. Kassadin mid gets royally shit on by almost any ranged AD, even some of the weaker ones), it's just people don't think to pick for those matchups. Again, 99% of people in this game don't know how to pick/assign champions, so it's easier for them to follow trends than to pick situational shit incorrectly. Random aside: does anyone else think that the banning system as it exists for competitive play could be expanded on? As it stands, having a single banning phase before picks makes bans less strategic and more "lets ban what's most OP/shit we don't want to deal with". Which is fine for solo queue, but in arranged 5s/tournament play you're basically blindly guessing what your opponents want to use. Personally, I like the 2-phased ban system that exists in DotA competitive play--after each team has made 3 picks, there's a second banning phase where each team bans an additional 2 heroes. This allows for you to make strategic bans directed at the type of team-comp your opponent appears to be going for with their initial 3 picks, and makes banning on the whole more interesting, IMO. | ||
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