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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
November 01 2011 23:49 GMT
#461
I'm confused, is this the patch notes thread?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 01 2011 23:49 GMT
#462
They removed Dance Walking? Cant get it to work to save my life -_-
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 01 2011 23:50 GMT
#463
On November 02 2011 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 08:16 TheYango wrote:
On November 02 2011 08:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Except if the call is actually wrong (and it was changed so clearly it was) then CDE haven't won that spot to Korea yet and Dignitas has fair game to contest it in the first place. They did and took that series 2-1 and are going to Korea. Just because the outcome isn't what you wanted it to be doesn't put Dignitas at fault. WCG changed the rules and Dignitas followed them.

Like I said, I'm not faulting Dignitas for questioning the decision. I am faulting them for their attitude the whole way through (including their poor attitude about the situation when CDE questioned Jatt's eligibility to play for Dignitas due to him playing in the Canadian qualifier).

If you really want to question the rules, then don't wish your opponents luck in their trip to Korea. Because then you look like a huge two-faced ass when you're the ones going to Korea instead.

"We are confident that CDE will indeed be going to Korea to represent the United States"...not so much now.


They were confident at the time. However, WCG changed the rules they followed them and now they're going to Korea. What are they supposed to do: give CDE their spot even though they won the right to go to Korea because they said it before? I don't think that's there's a good decision to make here. You're picking the lesser of evils and going to Korea is that evil. Sucks to be CDE.


Look, I know you are a fan of Dignitas and I'm not going to give you flak for it; I'm a blindfanboy for MJY and even now I would basically defend him knowing full well what he did.

In this case though, the way I see it, Voyboy's post implies that he knowledges CDE deserved the win. Having, he then goes on to play the 2nd set anyways, which is basically saying "I know it's wrong to do this, but we're going to do it anyways".

Another way to look at it is that Voyboy tries to score PR points by being well-mannered, and then turns heel as soon as he gets the chance. Calling him two-faced is perfectly valid.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 01 2011 23:51 GMT
#464
On November 02 2011 08:49 Lylat wrote:
I'm confused, is this the patch notes thread?


This is the General Discussion thread... for discussion about general topics.

Labeled by patch not to purely discuss patch notes but to segment the discussion and archive chunks of it, preventing a thread from getting too long and unmanageable.
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Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
November 01 2011 23:51 GMT
#465
All this drama is really dramatic but anyone have any thoughts about items for shyvana?
I'm skeptical of Phreak's hybrid build.

I'm sure triforce wouldn't be bad but I was thinking standard top bruiser fare of wriggles into Atmogs/Fratmas then triforce maybe?


TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2011 23:55 GMT
#466
How Shyvana's itemization pans out depends on if she works out better as a jungler or as a top laner (in other words, is her laning strong enough to outweigh her fast jungle), because that will determine how much gold worth of items you can plan around in a game.

Personally, I think the lack of consistent scaling across her abilities, coupled with the general synergy of her passive with attack speed makes Wit's End seem like an appealing option.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 01 2011 23:58 GMT
#467
On November 02 2011 08:51 Azerbaijan wrote:
All this drama is really dramatic but anyone have any thoughts about items for shyvana?
I'm skeptical of Phreak's hybrid build.

I'm sure triforce wouldn't be bad but I was thinking standard top bruiser fare of wriggles into Atmogs/Fratmas then triforce maybe?




Probably get Wriggle's fast for lane sustain or for jungling if you jungle her. I would say Wit's End next as attack speed synergizes well with her kit and it gives you MR and it's Wit's End. Then I think you could either go into Atmogs or Atmallet. Or build sunfire to be real dragon.

Dignitas acted like two-faced jerks and should've forfeited/not sent that email once they admitted CDE won and deserved to go to Korea. Really dumb on their part to post shit on their Twitter congratulating CDE if they were just going to contest it. Even dumber on Voyboy's part to make a thread saying CDE deserves to win and should go to Korea once they send an email appealing to WCG for a rematch.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 01 2011 23:58 GMT
#468
Wit's End seems awesome for her.

Looking at her kit, I don't see that much tools for ganking from jungle, pre 6? At 6 you have a pushback, before that you only have a speed boost. Doesn't seem all that great ganker.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 00:00:17
November 01 2011 23:59 GMT
#469
So, Shyvana.

Leveling R past 1 feels pointless. All you get is 100 more magic damage in an AoE (as if QWE in dragon didn't do enough AoE already and weren't more spammable) and 5 more armor/mres in human form or 10 in dragon form per rank. In terms of damage you'd probably do more by leveling QWE which are AoE in drag and will be used multiple times in drag form for greater overall damage. The only thing you lose out on is a tiny bit of Armor/MR. It also scales with AP and this scaling sucks.

E is the most fun skill but is mostly useless. The armor reduction doesn't scale so 1 point in it is fine for that. The ranking damage is also low (3 W ticks covers that) and E passive < W passive when under 1.5 attacks/sec. Being blocked by minions makes it pretty bad in lane and it has AP scaling that sucks too.

W is powerful (does and it's like a free ghost at max rank (it's 50% movespeed that decreases with duration), but it's not very interactive and I get bored pressing it endlessly for my free sunfire capes. Reminds me a ton of flamespitter and does roughly the same damage.

Q is more OP than W because with dragon form it applies on hit effects in an AoE, so stack your tiamats huehuehuehue.

Overall IDK what to think of this champ, I'd rather that E was useful and that ranking R meant something.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 01 2011 23:59 GMT
#470
On November 02 2011 08:37 daemir wrote:
That's a hilarious picture though :p were you able to chat with either team in the lobby?

no lol.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 02 2011 00:03 GMT
#471
On November 02 2011 08:58 daemir wrote:
Wit's End seems awesome for her.

Looking at her kit, I don't see that much tools for ganking from jungle, pre 6? At 6 you have a pushback, before that you only have a speed boost. Doesn't seem all that great ganker.

Red dependent ganker for sure, but the thing about that speed boost is that it's significantly higher than comparable speed boost skills (Blood Boil is 11-15%, Bear Stance and Crystalline Exoskeleton are 15-25ish%, Contaminate is 20-40%).
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 02 2011 00:05 GMT
#472
https://twitter.com/#!/SirScoots
EG head honcho

So if LoL is not an esport/pro game, can someone tell that community they can stop emailing me about sponsoring their non pro game team?
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
November 02 2011 00:08 GMT
#473
If you were ever wondering why orianna went from must ban to never played with her nerfs, here's why: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1435910
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 02 2011 00:09 GMT
#474
On November 02 2011 09:05 broz0rs wrote:
https://twitter.com/#!/SirScoots
EG head honcho

Show nested quote +
So if LoL is not an esport/pro game, can someone tell that community they can stop emailing me about sponsoring their non pro game team?

gg Regi
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 00:09:21
November 02 2011 00:09 GMT
#475
On November 02 2011 08:59 phyvo wrote:
So, Shyvana.

Leveling R past 1 feels pointless. All you get is 100 more magic damage in an AoE (as if QWE in dragon didn't do enough AoE already and weren't more spammable) and 5 more armor/mres in human form or 10 in dragon form per rank. In terms of damage you'd probably do more by leveling QWE which are AoE in drag and will be used multiple times in drag form for greater overall damage. The only thing you lose out on is a tiny bit of Armor/MR. It also scales with AP and this scaling sucks.

E is the most fun skill but is mostly useless. The armor reduction doesn't scale so 1 point in it is fine for that. The ranking damage is also low (3 W ticks covers that) and E passive < W passive when under 1.5 attacks/sec. Being blocked by minions makes it pretty bad in lane and it has AP scaling that sucks too.

W is powerful (does and it's like a free ghost at max rank (it's 50% movespeed that decreases with duration), but it's not very interactive and I get bored pressing it endlessly for my free sunfire capes. Reminds me a ton of flamespitter and does roughly the same damage.

Q is more OP than W because with dragon form it applies on hit effects in an AoE, so stack your tiamats huehuehuehue.

Overall IDK what to think of this champ, I'd rather that E was useful and that ranking R meant something.


Keep in mind that if you E someone, your Q will proc the passive for E twice, meaning E + autoattack + animation cancel into Q means 45% extra damage on E.
WreakHavoc
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
40 Posts
November 02 2011 00:10 GMT
#476
Jesus christ, way to understand the semantics behind what Reginald was saying. Reginald could have articulated his words better and I can understand how Scoots could misunderstand but really? Its obvious what Reginald was trying to say that you can't treat LoL the same as every other eSports and just like you can't treat one sport the same as every other. It kinda ticks me off what Scoots is doing.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 00:13:33
November 02 2011 00:11 GMT
#477
That's true, she seemed quite the lane bully with leveling that speed up fast from the streams I had time to watch today. And since it deals aoe damage, you'll probably want to level it first for jungling as well.

Need to see more if she becomes like awesome super carry if she has tons of gold worth items or will her power curve lame out, so you'll just need a basic core aka jungling would be more beneficial.

Dragon form ground fire looks disrubting in the battle, hating that, but otherwise looks ok champ.


edit: and listening this state of the league episode, rofl a wild reginald appeared.
dookudooku
Profile Joined December 2010
255 Posts
November 02 2011 00:14 GMT
#478
On November 02 2011 09:10 WreakHavoc wrote:
Jesus christ, way to understand the semantics behind what Reginald was saying. Reginald could have articulated his words better and I can understand how Scoots could misunderstand but really? Its obvious what Reginald was trying to say that you can't treat LoL the same as every other eSports and just like you can't treat one sport the same as every other. It kinda ticks me off what Scoots is doing.


Can someone let Scoots know that the Dota2 invitational also used a weighted single set finals in a double-elim tournament?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 02 2011 00:14 GMT
#479
On November 02 2011 09:05 broz0rs wrote:
https://twitter.com/#!/SirScoots
EG head honcho

Show nested quote +
So if LoL is not an esport/pro game, can someone tell that community they can stop emailing me about sponsoring their non pro game team?


I honestly don't give a shit what Evil Geniuses says about LoL. They aren't involved in the game, I don't really care if they step up and sponsor any teams because all the big NA teams already have sponsors.

People who think LoL needs a double elimination set up with actual bo3 sets is fucking retarded.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 02 2011 00:15 GMT
#480
On November 02 2011 09:08 Azuzu wrote:
If you were ever wondering why orianna went from must ban to never played with her nerfs, here's why: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1435910


Holy crap, I even played her in a match lately and it was like...yea this Q range, but I didn't notice it was that bad. o_O christ.
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