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Shyvana seems fairly strong to me.
Decent lane sustainability, tanky, good at initiating, and boss in team fights. Not so much a "hit me because I will CC your ass" tank, but more of a "Hit me or your whole team will be dead by the end of the teamfight" kind of a tank.
I think she would be a decent AD carry if you built her that way, but I think going tanky (using life, because she gets a ton of Amror/MR from her Ulti's passive) with things like Sunfire cape/Frost Mallet allows her AoE damage (imo her best attribute) to really shine through.
Although, I've played around with her for like 2-3 hours. SO, what do I know.
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On November 02 2011 05:01 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:32 FieryBalrog wrote:
DotA is if anything even easier mechanically. With far fewer skillshots, far fewer actives to use per character... I mean if placing a skillshot is easy, DotA's "left click on guy" must be for "nubs". Yeah, there are a couple dozen or so champs more complicated than that and some glitches. Apart from that... DotA has quite a lot of skillshots/placed aoe's with delayed effects/abilities that aren't exactly intuitive. Mechanically I don't think any argument can be made that LoL is more difficult(DotA has more involved attack/spell animation cancelling, denies to compliment last hits, regular skillshots along with those that are actually untargetted and rely on your timing and range awareness to land, etc). Also there are pet champs, meepo, orbwalkers... just a ton more mechanics in general to be proficient at. Whether that makes DotA harder or not w/e I don't care to argue it, it's so subjective.
Considering its a competitive game the "difficulty" is set by your opponents anyways. Thse whole "this game is harder, that game has a higher skillcap" etc is rather tiresome. I think its uncontroversial that DotA has a harder competitive scene when you consider chinese teams and how disorganized LoL teams are  . But I don't think the difficulty of a game against people has to do with the game but with your opponents. Its like arguing whether Basketball or Hockey is harder, or whether Chess or Go is. You can argue about which is the better game but not really diffculty imo.
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On November 02 2011 05:28 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:19 overt wrote:On November 02 2011 05:01 daemir wrote:
Someone was asking Saint for someone from CDE to come talk with slasher and DJwheat about the issue and Regi was like...okay bro I go. Not like Regi was trying hard to get out there to shout more shit in the fan. The show was looking for CDE, not the other way. Regi has also released two videos about it and spammed the official forums with threads about it until he got banned. He should've just said, "no thanks," to the show and let the situation die. WCG isn't going to change their mind and say, "oh shit, you're right we messed up and you guys get to go to Korea now!" I don't see what the point is in him still talking about this drama and agreeing to go on a show about it too. He's just really really pissed off and needs to vent. Think about it man. He had a free trip to Korea already won after 2 epic wins. I was watching on SV's stream and CDE were so happy. This situation must be so crushing for them. I wouldn't be able to let this shit go either, especially not without any satisfactory compensation or apology.
I'm sure this situation sucks for him and I really do feel awful for him and the rest of CDE. I was bitching about WCG, Riot, Dignitas, and all that shit too. But it's over and it speaks volumes that all of his other teammates have been pretty quiet about it. Some of them, like Dyrus, have even asked for people to just give it a rest and move on.
On November 02 2011 05:31 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:19 overt wrote:On November 02 2011 05:01 daemir wrote:
Someone was asking Saint for someone from CDE to come talk with slasher and DJwheat about the issue and Regi was like...okay bro I go. Not like Regi was trying hard to get out there to shout more shit in the fan. The show was looking for CDE, not the other way. Regi has also released two videos about it and spammed the official forums with threads about it until he got banned. He should've just said, "no thanks," to the show and let the situation die. WCG isn't going to change their mind and say, "oh shit, you're right we messed up and you guys get to go to Korea now!" I don't see what the point is in him still talking about this drama and agreeing to go on a show about it too. I think he should go on the show just in terms of principle. The chances of WCG changing their mind is essentially 0, but the show will give more exposure to LoL and his team. Also it sends a message to future tournament organizers to not fuck around with their rules or run the risk of bad publicity. It's a step in the direction of making LoL tournaments more professional (which is what we want right?).
It will give bad exposure to LoL and his WCG team. Everyone in the LoL competitive community that cares about this has already heard about it and universally they are extremely pissed off at WCG and Riot. Many of them are also pissed off at Dignitas.
There is literally nothing good that can come from him still talking about it. He needs to just cut his losses and move on. The internet mob is already bitching about it and will bitch about it for a few more days after he's done. Best case scenario here is that people who don't play LoL who watch that show hear about the drama that went on and have an even worse opinion of LoL than they already did.
This is just going to make the LoL competitive scene look even worse than it already did to people who don't even play. It'll make WCG look worse too but honestly WCG has never looked that great to begin with and from what I've heard they may not even have the money to do WCG next year.
I just can't think of a single positive thing that will happen from this especially since all Reginald is doing is complaining about it and pointing out how unfair the whole situation was without bringing any new information to light.
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On November 02 2011 05:37 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:45 red_b wrote:
spinesheath I'm especially disappointed in you. I have laned against you with a really, really bad matchup and you still couldn't make me leave the lane because I didn't give you the opportunities. And I will freely admit you are a better player than I am.
I'm a HORRIBLE solo laner, I SUCK at lasthitting, and I play at a CONSTANT 200-500 ping. I win my games through map awareness and good decision making mid/lategame.
I think most of us have compromises. I haven't had a real computer to play on since June.
at any rate I'm done because I am being bitter about it. plus a lot of people have made it perfectly clear that instead of actually having this discussion it is more to their liking to make this about how individual people are stupid/bad/some other personal issue.
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On November 02 2011 05:46 red_b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:37 spinesheath wrote:On November 02 2011 04:45 red_b wrote:
spinesheath I'm especially disappointed in you. I have laned against you with a really, really bad matchup and you still couldn't make me leave the lane because I didn't give you the opportunities. And I will freely admit you are a better player than I am.
I'm a HORRIBLE solo laner, I SUCK at lasthitting, and I play at a CONSTANT 200-500 ping. I win my games through map awareness and good decision making mid/lategame. I think most of us have compromises. I haven't had a real computer to play on since June. at any rate I'm done because I am being bitter about it. plus a lot of people have made it perfectly clear that instead of actually having this discussion it is more to their liking to make this about how individual people are stupid/bad/some other personal issue.
yea dude, totally. you were totally making good points like:
1. denying is good, and you're dumb if you think otherwise.
2. I can't easily rape someone who's close to my skill level out the game.
3. ???
4. profit
I'd love to let you go without giving you a hard time but you're taking this stupid stance like you've been saying things that should've stimulated discussion when instead you're just bitching about differences that aren't inherently better or worse for gameplay, and then getting all pissy when people call you on it.
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It is bad exposure, but it is still something important to talk about. SC2 players for example should know about the BW match fixing scandals that took place even though it was over before SC2 was released. It's important to know the potential problems that E-Sports will face and ones that have already happened. Though I will agree maybe you shouldn't get the angriest person to talk about the situation and yes eventually you need to move on, but Lo3's audience have not heard about it since it's a general E-Sports audience not a LoL only audience.
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Damn this underscore and it's proliferation of the confusion that I am red_b, damn it to hell!
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lol, I know you're different red_!
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On November 02 2011 04:52 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
reginald and odee (owner of dignitas) gonna be on mlg.tv today at 5pm EST to talk about wcg usa
is that 21:00 GMT (+00:00)? We haven't set back an hour yet so it should be EDT still ^_^
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It took me a minute but I figured it out. I was beginning to wonder if this person had split personalities or something.
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On November 02 2011 05:04 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:29 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Don't you feel slow playing Jarman Mogwai? Don't you wish you could wavedash all over the place? What if you could L-cancel your autoattack? Imagine if such mechanics existed in LoL: you'd find that technical skill would become a much much much bigger factor in the outcome of a game than it does now. A lot of TL-folk would skyrocket in ELO because of our technical abilities. A lot of nubs with inflated ELO would drop like a rock. People with poor strategy, but high technical ability would be promoted. Mechanics are only as good as the gameplay they create, and I say this coming from the standpoint of someone who argued adamantly against MBS when it was first implemented in SC2. Mechanics that only exist for the sake of adding a technical barrier do not create gameplay. I'm going to use that as an example for the sort of mechanical demand I look for in a game. In the case of MBS in a game like Starcraft, the fact that you had to LOOK at your base in Brood War to macro meant that you had to make the decision of whether to allocate your actions toward unit production or army management. In particular, it meant that with a finite number of actions available to you, you effectively had to manage your attention as a resource--how much do I allocate toward my bases, and how much toward my army? This sort of mechanical demand creates gameplay; and it's a spectrum of gameplay that expands as one becomes better at the game. As your effective ability to perform actions increased, you had more options available to you based on how much you could accomplish. It's not a binary wall where "if I can accomplish X, and my opponent can't, I win, but if we both can or we both can't, it does nothing", which is what many BAD mechanical tasks in games end up being.
Part of the reason I brought up Smash-Melee mechanics was because it was something I knew that Mogwai would understand. The other reason was to juxtapose LoL's lack of mechanics vs a game that relies solely on mechanics such that their use is almost mandatory for successful competitive play. You can't begin to competitively play Melee until the technical aspects of the game are mastered. Prior to that point, you're just not playing the same game as someone else: They're playing the metagame, and you're playing with the buttons. (There are exceptions to this rule of course. There was one top-tier player who never wavedashed- I forget his name... That's a different story though.)
Most people that care about getting good at the game have mastered the technical aspects of LoL because they're so easy. Problem is: most people are completely unaware of the metagame, or suck terribly at it. Take Guardsman Bob for example. I cringe when I watch his stream. He sucks at soloqueue. He never communicates, and he makes the assumption that his teammates are smart. Often he'll do something perfect- but his teammate has no concept of strategy so they'll botch a gank or read something incorrectly. Watching Bob in a tournament is a COMPLETELY different scenario. That guy knows exactly who has what summoner spell on CD, and the most perfect time to use WW's ult- often at times that I wouldn't expect.
In contrast is someone like HotshotGG, who assumes that his team is stupid and doesn't rely on them. Most top soloqueue people have this mentality, and it works out really well in a selfish sense.
If LoL's mechanics would allow technical skill to matter more, I think that you'd see a lot less QQ because selfish gameplay would be rewarded more. However, it would present a barrier of entry to less competitive players which make up the majority of the game's fanbase (paying users).
Mogwai brings up a good point though: With LoL's easy mechanics, you can casually get really into a very deep metagame. You can still own people- but you need to shift focus from technical skills and more into timings and positioning. It's more subtle than owning someone's face with sheer mastery of the keyboard- something I do enjoy. However, it is viable and competitive in its own right.
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On November 02 2011 05:52 BlackMagister wrote:
It is bad exposure, but it is still something important to talk about. SC2 players for example should know about the BW match fixing scandals that took place even though it was over before SC2 was released. It's important to know the potential problems that E-Sports will face and ones that have already happened. Though I will agree maybe you shouldn't get the angriest person to talk about the situation and yes eventually you need to move on, but Lo3's audience have not heard about it since it's a general E-Sports audience not a LoL only audience.
Until they get rid of Marcou, there's really no reason to let the situation die down. I don't care that Dignitas won or that CDE doesn't get to go to Korea, but I'm almost positive that there's major corruption going on because the whole situation doesn't make a dick of sense unless money was passed on underhandedly.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1435079
Those are my thoughts on the whole situation
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Does Morgana's Black Shield block the healing reduction from Ignite?
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On November 02 2011 05:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:52 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
reginald and odee (owner of dignitas) gonna be on mlg.tv today at 5pm EST to talk about wcg usa is that 21:00 GMT (+00:00)? We haven't set back an hour yet so it should be EDT still ^_^
it's on now http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/
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On November 02 2011 06:04 Alzadar wrote:
Does Morgana's Black Shield block the healing reduction from Ignite?
No, it only blocks magic damage. Ignite is true damage so it will ignore black shield.
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When did amused and mad becomes synonyms?
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On November 02 2011 06:06 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:04 Alzadar wrote:
Does Morgana's Black Shield block the healing reduction from Ignite? No, it only blocks magic damage. Ignite is true damage so it will ignore black shield.
He meant the healing reduction though, but since healing reduction isn't cc it shouldn't block it.
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reginald about to make a fool out of himself
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Reginald about to make a fool out of you! Can't wait to hear him pronounce rules lol.
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drinking game, how many bro's will be outspoken during this show.
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