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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 25 2011 23:09 GMT
#1821
On October 26 2011 07:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Can't think of a pro player who really mains Jax besides HotshotGG and even then not really (not one of his big 3). Pros don't generally play heroes that they don't have hundreds of games of experience with.

How can you forget Dyrus when we're talking about Jax?

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:34 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:32 unichan wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:53 Requizen wrote:
I don't know why you don't see as many Jaxs (Jaxi?) in pro play. He starts of sorta slow, but after like one item he starts crushing fools and then wins game.

Edit:

For the majority of the game, Jax deals mostly magic damage. I don't know how the ratio is when you have your full build finished, but it probably is around 50:50.


Maybe 50/50, but you look at it this way: his burst is all AP (Jump, Empower, stun), his sustain is all AD. If the enemy is squishy and dies fast, it's mostly going to be AP. Opposite for tankier targets, so just judge based on the enemies.

Jaxes looks better, you don't say "foxi"

Collossi

The singular of Colossi is Colossus, not Collossx. Hence why it pluralizes that way.

It would make more sense to pluralize "Jaximus" to "Jaximi".


And we're not even going to consider 'colloxen,' huh?

Also on that note would multiples of Karthus be 'Karthi?'
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 25 2011 23:18 GMT
#1822
On October 26 2011 08:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:35 TheYango wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Can't think of a pro player who really mains Jax besides HotshotGG and even then not really (not one of his big 3). Pros don't generally play heroes that they don't have hundreds of games of experience with.

How can you forget Dyrus when we're talking about Jax?

On October 26 2011 07:34 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:32 unichan wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:53 Requizen wrote:
I don't know why you don't see as many Jaxs (Jaxi?) in pro play. He starts of sorta slow, but after like one item he starts crushing fools and then wins game.

Edit:

For the majority of the game, Jax deals mostly magic damage. I don't know how the ratio is when you have your full build finished, but it probably is around 50:50.


Maybe 50/50, but you look at it this way: his burst is all AP (Jump, Empower, stun), his sustain is all AD. If the enemy is squishy and dies fast, it's mostly going to be AP. Opposite for tankier targets, so just judge based on the enemies.

Jaxes looks better, you don't say "foxi"

Collossi

The singular of Colossi is Colossus, not Collossx. Hence why it pluralizes that way.

It would make more sense to pluralize "Jaximus" to "Jaximi".


And we're not even going to consider 'colloxen,' huh?

Also on that note would multiples of Karthus be 'Karthi?'

thought it was karthai but yes
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 25 2011 23:22 GMT
#1823
Yo guys let's have a jax off.

Let's all jax each other off.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 25 2011 23:26 GMT
#1824
On October 26 2011 08:18 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 08:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:35 TheYango wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Can't think of a pro player who really mains Jax besides HotshotGG and even then not really (not one of his big 3). Pros don't generally play heroes that they don't have hundreds of games of experience with.

How can you forget Dyrus when we're talking about Jax?

On October 26 2011 07:34 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:32 unichan wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:53 Requizen wrote:
I don't know why you don't see as many Jaxs (Jaxi?) in pro play. He starts of sorta slow, but after like one item he starts crushing fools and then wins game.

Edit:

For the majority of the game, Jax deals mostly magic damage. I don't know how the ratio is when you have your full build finished, but it probably is around 50:50.


Maybe 50/50, but you look at it this way: his burst is all AP (Jump, Empower, stun), his sustain is all AD. If the enemy is squishy and dies fast, it's mostly going to be AP. Opposite for tankier targets, so just judge based on the enemies.

Jaxes looks better, you don't say "foxi"

Collossi

The singular of Colossi is Colossus, not Collossx. Hence why it pluralizes that way.

It would make more sense to pluralize "Jaximus" to "Jaximi".


And we're not even going to consider 'colloxen,' huh?

Also on that note would multiples of Karthus be 'Karthi?'

thought it was karthai but yes

Frolloxen!

In other news, is anyone else really excited for Surprise Thursday?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#1825
I am now
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4333 Posts
October 25 2011 23:37 GMT
#1826
Not sure if there was a Graves discussion. Coworker broke his foot and I got his shifts and I've been MIA the past 50 pages. I've been playing him alot in normal games, just screwing around and also serious games and I find that he his a strong AD ranged bruiser, which makes him so strong bot lane vs normal AD carries (I like HP runes) but he does fine in solo lanes as well. (Especially vs AP carrys early on)

Is someone working on a graves build/thread? I'd like to get some professional input for him. Phreak's video was not very informative.

So wait? I'm bad? =(
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:43:32
October 25 2011 23:41 GMT
#1827
On October 26 2011 08:37 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Not sure if there was a Graves discussion. Coworker broke his foot and I got his shifts and I've been MIA the past 50 pages. I've been playing him alot in normal games, just screwing around and also serious games and I find that he his a strong AD ranged bruiser, which makes him so strong bot lane vs normal AD carries (I like HP runes) but he does fine in solo lanes as well. (Especially vs AP carrys early on)

Is someone working on a graves build/thread? I'd like to get some professional input for him. Phreak's video was not very informative.



Build AD. Kill everything. Win game. He is retarded strong at the moment imo.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 25 2011 23:45 GMT
#1828
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=4936586
spec mode is appreantly live for testing anyone wanne test it? :3
washed
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 25 2011 23:46 GMT
#1829
On October 26 2011 08:35 travis wrote:
I am now


Does that have anything to do with your previous post?
Also, 999. Off to make a blog. My posting has been so shitty lately...damn milestones....
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 25 2011 23:47 GMT
#1830
You build Graves like you would any other standard ranged AD.

Boots or Blade
Blade
BF
IE or BT
AS, LW if you need armor pen.

His kits is just pretty redonkulous atm. Drop smoke screen on enemy AD and Q people at melee range.

Dat Grit.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
October 25 2011 23:53 GMT
#1831
lol
oh god :/
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 25 2011 23:53 GMT
#1832
Actually if you look at his passive in the champion listings it's now called "Gunslinger" instead of "true grit" Which saddens me on several levels. But yeah his kit is insanely amusing.

-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:55:26
October 25 2011 23:54 GMT
#1833
he's pretty good not unbeatable. There just aren't really many ban worthy champions atm so graves is an okay ban to make. Ive been banning graves/sion or graves/shaco or graves/akali

hes absurdly strong vs ads with no respositioning skills...shuts down kog/ashe/etc completely to the pointt that they are unviable if graves is on the other team
Brees on in
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:58:33
October 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#1834
Jax in competitive games? I remember him being a must-ban/pick during the Wukong/Skarner patches back in August at IEM gamescom and MLG Raleigh. Ever after Talon-patch (the 2nd Leap Strike and the Empower nerf) nobody seems to bother picking anymore it seems.

At recent events Hotshot played Jax against World Elite in IEM Guangzhou (+ jiji on Zilean) which netted them a win on the first map. Afterwards Jax was banned twice.

In IPL and IEM New York he basically seems to have been replaced by Talon, Udyr, Yorick...

Only other known player that used to play Jax a lot and who wasn't mentioned here would be Pobelter. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think he actually played him once or twice in New York without much success.
@ESL_Shawn
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 00:00:55
October 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#1835
http://dyrus.tumblr.com/post/11926174344/still-playing-for-korea
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/lp1fz/more_wcg_drama/

Here we go again! It sounds like the WCG admins/RS/whoever is in charge is still insisting that the WCG grand finals go for another bo3. They're saying that they want to be consistent with the other WCG qualifiers (e.g. Canada) but that's not even true since Canada was just 1 bo3 (plz confirm Yiruru).
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 00:04:37
October 26 2011 00:03 GMT
#1836
zzz I though Dignitas was okay about the fact they got destroyed bye CDE and it was pretty over but they were just a bit concerned about the rules not being clear.
I'm starting to lose faith in Dignitas (still a fan yea).
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
October 26 2011 00:05 GMT
#1837
afaik they only played one game for the final set of WCG qualifiers Canada, are they going to make that apply retroactively too?
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
October 26 2011 00:06 GMT
#1838
To 5hit and whatever Parks I just wanted to play Dominion with, the server is set to "Busy". Real gay l0l. Sorry.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 00:07:18
October 26 2011 00:06 GMT
#1839
This is Riot's message about the situation, according to Saint in IRC:

Although the rules could have been better formatted and communicated to the players, they were nonetheless consistently enforced throughout the tournament. We believe we have settled on the best solution possible. The essence of a double-elimination tournament is that all the teams get equal opportunities not only for success, but for one failure as well. Since all MATCHES are based on a best-of-3 “maps” scenario, the team coming from upper-bracket has not actually lost a MATCH. To eliminate them from the tournament based on only the loss of one match in a double elimination bracket would go against the logic of a double elimination tournament.


Here's what I don't understand. Every single double elimination LoL tournament that I've watched in the past few months - and there have been tons - has used the weighted format for the finals. I haven't seen a single one of them do what is described here. If this is Riot's stance, then this is the opposite of all the tournaments they have run recently, and pretty much invalidates every single result.

Just to give a single example - the Dreamhack Season 1 final. aAa came from losers bracket against fnatic. fnatic was given the weighted advantage in the bo3, starting it 1-0 fnatic. aAa won game 1; fnatic won game 2, giving them the win. Had aAa won game 2, they would have won the tournament. There wouldn't have been another bo3.

I have no idea what's going on at the Riot e-sports department, but they should probably take a look at every single LoL double elimination tournament they've run in the past before making rulings like this.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 26 2011 00:07 GMT
#1840
wtf CDE better not have to play another Bo3. I mean they already won a weighted Bo3 where they started off down 1 game. The hell what more do these guys have to do?
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