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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 18:27:17
October 25 2011 18:25 GMT
#1781
On October 26 2011 03:08 billy5000 wrote:
what's the best ad/support bot against cait/taric or cait/ali? in other words, who can manage their lane fairly well without getting shit on? (neglecting graves as he's gonna get nerfed)


Imo, Urgot does good against Caitlyn if you can manage to not get zoned for the first three levels. By level like 3-4 you can destroy Caitlyn.

Oh but the problem is not getting zoned like I said. Good Caitlyns will play really aggressive for the first several levels.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 25 2011 18:27 GMT
#1782
On October 26 2011 03:25 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 03:08 billy5000 wrote:
what's the best ad/support bot against cait/taric or cait/ali? in other words, who can manage their lane fairly well without getting shit on? (neglecting graves as he's gonna get nerfed)


Imo, Urgot does good against Caitlyn if you can manage to not get zoned for the first three levels. By level like 3-4 you can destroy Caitlyn.

Oh but the problem is not getting zoned like I said. Good Caitlyns will play really aggressive for the first several levels.


Now if you really want to win the first few levels play Pantheon + Lux bot lane :D
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
October 25 2011 18:43 GMT
#1783
can you stun noc as he's in motion with his ult?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 25 2011 18:46 GMT
#1784
On October 26 2011 03:43 billy5000 wrote:
can you stun noc as he's in motion with his ult?

Nope, immune to CC while "charging". He can be stunned while Paranoia is still going, just before or after he uses the second part.
It's your boy Guzma!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 25 2011 18:50 GMT
#1785
On October 26 2011 03:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 03:43 billy5000 wrote:
can you stun noc as he's in motion with his ult?

Nope, immune to CC while "charging". He can be stunned while Paranoia is still going, just before or after he uses the second part.

He can't be CCed, but if he is low enough you can just kill him before he hits the target.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 18:55:38
October 25 2011 18:55 GMT
#1786
On October 26 2011 01:47 57 Corvette wrote:
To make this post not completely useless, does anyone know the ins and outs of solotop counters? Is there a list anywhere of what solotops do good against others or something similar?

There is this post on AbsoluteLegends where some guy tried to do this. It's far from complete though, a lot of viable solo top champions aren't even on it and it's quite outdated already.
@ESL_Shawn
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 25 2011 19:00 GMT
#1787
On October 26 2011 03:55 Shawngood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 01:47 57 Corvette wrote:
To make this post not completely useless, does anyone know the ins and outs of solotop counters? Is there a list anywhere of what solotops do good against others or something similar?

There is this post on AbsoluteLegends where some guy tried to do this. It's far from complete though, a lot of viable solo top champions aren't even on it and it's quite outdated already.


lol wtf, if I'm reading that correctly it says irelia beats rumble and akali. WUT?
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
October 25 2011 19:00 GMT
#1788
Am i the only one who has problems watching any lol stream?

"Not Found

The requested URL /chat/Sypher/ was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at www.own3d.tv Port 80"

Like ownedtv has a problem...
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 25 2011 19:11 GMT
#1789
On October 26 2011 04:00 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 03:55 Shawngood wrote:
On October 26 2011 01:47 57 Corvette wrote:
To make this post not completely useless, does anyone know the ins and outs of solotop counters? Is there a list anywhere of what solotops do good against others or something similar?

There is this post on AbsoluteLegends where some guy tried to do this. It's far from complete though, a lot of viable solo top champions aren't even on it and it's quite outdated already.


lol wtf, if I'm reading that correctly it says irelia beats rumble and akali. WUT?

there's even an attempt at TL
Unfortunately the already ridiculous amount of work is further compounded by runepages and pregame setup. Armor runes completely turn some matchups around, etc.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 25 2011 19:17 GMT
#1790
Irelia should beat akali IMO. More burst, more sustained damage.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#1791
It's a silly concept anyway. If you know your lane opponent is going to beat you in a 1v1 in lane, you can always just play super defensive under your turret and farm that way, or get ganks from a jungler, or go some stupid specialized build.

It's like SC2 "counters". Hellions beat Zerglings, until the lings get speed, but then blue flame beats them again, unless they're on creep, but the Hellions can position themselves to stop a surround, etc. Talon craps on most ranged carries, but they can always just safe farm and never move past (or even near) river to give him a chance. He'll probably end up dropping a tower first, but the carry will probably have more farm and neither will have kills if they play smart.

Team fights are another monster altogether.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#1792
On October 26 2011 04:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
Irelia should beat akali IMO. More burst, more sustained damage.


Last time I laned against Akali I had flat MR blues and went double MR mantle into merc threads + wit's end. My damage is solid with that setup and much faster than gp5+Triforce openers (and although I crushed the lane I don't think the Akali was that good), but I'm not really sure how to continue from there. If I do this build it's because I didn't need Wriggle in lane (although will obviously need armor soon), and going Wit's End -> Triforce is just way too squishy.

In that game I went Randuin's, and in another game (laning top against Orianna) I went Aegis, but the games were more or less decided before I finished those items.

Obviously the choice here will change game to game, but what are good options? I've never tried Frozen Heart on Irelia, but I imagine it's solid.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 25 2011 20:29 GMT
#1793
Frozen Heart is a great item for second string blue buff users.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 20:54:23
October 25 2011 20:53 GMT
#1794
Could anyone summarize Wukong for me? What's his power curve in the game (early to mid to late)? I'd also like to know about some special lane matchups you should pay attention to - like who gives you a hard time etc.

I'm looking to invest in a new top lane melee, and monkey looks interesting, but I have a hard time choosing. Can't afford all these 6300ip champs ffs. I'm also too impatient to wait for free weeks.
So zen.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
October 25 2011 20:58 GMT
#1795
On October 26 2011 05:53 SQWKZ wrote:
Could anyone summarize Wukong for me? What's his power curve in the game (early to mid to late)? I'd also like to know about some special lane matchups you should pay attention to - like who gives you a hard time etc.

I'm looking to invest in a new top lane melee, and monkey looks interesting, but I have a hard time choosing. Can't afford all these 6300ip champs ffs. I'm also too impatient to wait for free weeks.


I would say he has a lot of damage early on since he can combo e -> auto -> q -> auto -> escape with w pretty easily. Late game his damage dips a little but he is tanky enough that it doesn't really matter. What gives me a hard time is characters with skill shots or AoE skills that hit me when i'm cloaked. I haven't played much wukong so this is just my opinion so far.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 21:01:11
October 25 2011 20:59 GMT
#1796
Early game : Oh god please don't walk up to me and fight. I'll die.

Mid Game : Step in to the van I have candy. Oops I 100>0'd you.

End Game : Protect the carry by spinning like a top on 5 of them.


Top lane is much about just grabbing what farm you can to get a wriggles asap. At that point you can venture out and be pretty balsy. Till then you lose your lane to just about anyone who knows how squishy you are 1v1. Of all the people who go top right now, Renekton usually gives me the most trouble simply because no where is safe. The double dash through minions into W you, generally means you die. The easiest way to imagine how you should play is that instead of Slam Dunking on kids like you are Master Yi, you spin on them the same way you would Alpha Strike. The two have very simular playstyles for me.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
October 25 2011 21:05 GMT
#1797
Wow you shouldn't get penalized for queue dodging a a game where three people lock caitlyn, jax, and ezreal instantly. Triple AD carry less go huehuehue
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 25 2011 21:06 GMT
#1798
On October 26 2011 06:05 Chocolate wrote:
Wow you shouldn't get penalized for queue dodging a a game where three people lock caitlyn, jax, and ezreal instantly. Triple AD carry less go huehuehue

ez/cait mid 1 bot jax top nps.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 25 2011 21:08 GMT
#1799
On October 26 2011 06:05 Chocolate wrote:
Wow you shouldn't get penalized for queue dodging a a game where three people lock caitlyn, jax, and ezreal instantly. Triple AD carry less go huehuehue

Attention people: Jax new #1 AD carry. You heard it here first.
currently rooting for myself.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
October 25 2011 21:10 GMT
#1800
On October 26 2011 06:08 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:05 Chocolate wrote:
Wow you shouldn't get penalized for queue dodging a a game where three people lock caitlyn, jax, and ezreal instantly. Triple AD carry less go huehuehue

Attention people: Jax new #1 AD carry. You heard it here first.

Shh im newb. He is hybrid though right?
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