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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 25 2011 17:03 GMT
#1761
On October 26 2011 01:47 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 01:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 26 2011 01:42 taLbuk wrote:
so i was eating a banana this morning

and it got me thinking

rumble is still one of if not the best champs in the game


He's my solo top main. huehue

As Riven:

Bad Rumble players are food.

Good Rumble players are annoying, but not impossible to lane against.

His damage is really good, but with no sustain and only minimal innate tankiness, I feel that a lot of solo top'ers can match him no real problem. There aren't any that completely dominate him, but there are only a few that he completely shuts down as well.


I want someone to confirm cause I'm pretty sure that no less than a month ago Rumble was considered the counter to "every bruiser ever" that goes top lane. I can't say anything about Riven cause she's too new but I'm pretty sure Rumble shits on most bruisers top lane. His real problem comes when the other team sends their mage top lane.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 17:09:57
October 25 2011 17:09 GMT
#1762
For me, if you need a blanket counter...
Rumble > Bruisers
Talon > Casters

I haven't tested this out but Wriggle's Riven could possibly force a farm war up top, only because of her redonkulous Ulti at 6. It takes Rumble about level 5-6 as well to farm up a Revolver. My only problem is Revolver is vital for Rumble. I feel like Wriggle's is somewhat of a waste for Riven.

Edit: "blanket counter" is just a rough estimate. I know there will be situational exceptions. Thx.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 25 2011 17:11 GMT
#1763
On October 26 2011 02:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
For me, if you need a blanket counter...
Rumble > Bruisers
Talon > Casters

I haven't tested this out but Wriggle's Riven could possibly force a farm war up top, only because of her redonkulous Ulti at 6. It takes Rumble about level 5-6 as well to farm up a Revolver. My only problem is Revolver is vital for Rumble. I feel like Wriggle's is somewhat of a waste for Riven.

Edit: "blanket counter" is just a rough estimate. I know there will be situational exceptions. Thx.

Wriggle's lets you turn a bunch of lanes into farm wars. Which is good for Riven since she outscales basically everybody.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 25 2011 17:12 GMT
#1764
Pant should do good vs rumble aswell.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 17:19:59
October 25 2011 17:12 GMT
#1765
On October 26 2011 02:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
For me, if you need a blanket counter...
Rumble > Bruisers
Talon > Casters

I haven't tested this out but Wriggle's Riven could possibly force a farm war up top, only because of her redonkulous Ulti at 6. It takes Rumble about level 5-6 as well to farm up a Revolver. My only problem is Revolver is vital for Rumble. I feel like Wriggle's is somewhat of a waste for Riven.

Edit: "blanket counter" is just a rough estimate. I know there will be situational exceptions. Thx.


What bruisers does rumble beat? Some magical bruiser with no sustain in lane? Lanewick, laneudyr and irelia heck even nasus have enough sustain to lane against rumble just farming a pushed lane if you try to punish him with flamethrower. The only time I feel like rumble is really strong is if people A: Straight up ignore your flamethrower or B: Try to fight you without some kind of advantage.
aka Teutonica
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 17:19:45
October 25 2011 17:17 GMT
#1766
Most people don't actually come to lane ready to counter rumble with like 97MR at level 1.

Rumble's biggest problem is that you can easily bait him into pushing the lane because he really doesn't have much choice.

I still think he's a good, undervalued champion though.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 25 2011 17:17 GMT
#1767
Just speaking back about WW, someone asked if he had been used recently in comptitive play and I'll answer : IEM China

Also Kassadin and Heimer free again. Kass was free like 2 weeks ago and Heimer is free every 3 weeks (so that all stupid poeple can play him and feed). T.T
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
October 25 2011 17:20 GMT
#1768
On October 26 2011 02:17 Juicyfruit wrote:
Most people don't actually come to lane ready to counter rumble with like 97MR at level 1.


Guess thats the problem ^^
aka Teutonica
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 25 2011 17:22 GMT
#1769
On October 26 2011 02:17 Juicyfruit wrote:
Most people don't actually come to lane ready to counter rumble with like 97MR at level 1.

And that's the key to winning top lane folks. Come to lane with like the appropriate resists, and proceed to laugh at your lane opponent as they do zero damage to you, regardless of how "OP" their champion is.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 25 2011 17:25 GMT
#1770
Fun game yesterday- my nasus vs enemy urgot. Came to lane with 60 armor, he kinda hurt me. Back, buy, chain vest, proceed to not take any damage from him at all.

Still lose cuz my sion was retarded, but at least I had a 500 Q.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 25 2011 17:31 GMT
#1771
On October 26 2011 02:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 01:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Is the only way to beat rumble to just play someone like ryze?


Basically pick someone who can burst down Rumble when he needs to and not eat a full Flamespitter. So needs to be able to zone.

Farm in lane, take position. If Rumble comes close, burst.


So..
Swain?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
October 25 2011 17:39 GMT
#1772
So I just had a terrible game. I'm still kinda new and bad at this game but I do slightly "get" it. I played Soraka, other guys were Rammus, Tryndamere, Kassadar, and Urgot. As soon as the game started they all rushed to top and bottom, I asked Kass to do mid because I can't do it on Soraka but he wanted to lane with his homie so w/e. I knew this would go bad anyway so I just went mid.

I was the only one on our entire team who destroyed an enemy tower all game long.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 17:46:14
October 25 2011 17:45 GMT
#1773
On October 26 2011 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
Fun game yesterday- my nasus vs enemy urgot. Came to lane with 60 armor, he kinda hurt me. Back, buy, chain vest, proceed to not take any damage from him at all.

Still lose cuz my sion was retarded, but at least I had a 500 Q.


lol reminds me of my irelia vs talon lanes. Come to lane with 60 armor, before 10 mins have 180 armor and your burst back is greater than his burst on you, except you have more sustained damage than him AND more sustain. trollolol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 18:00:55
October 25 2011 18:00 GMT
#1774
On October 26 2011 02:45 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
Fun game yesterday- my nasus vs enemy urgot. Came to lane with 60 armor, he kinda hurt me. Back, buy, chain vest, proceed to not take any damage from him at all.

Still lose cuz my sion was retarded, but at least I had a 500 Q.


lol reminds me of my irelia vs talon lanes. Come to lane with 60 armor, before 10 mins have 180 armor and your burst back is greater than his burst on you, except you have more sustained damage than him AND more sustain. trollolol


What? You buy wriggles and he can't get to creeps without losing half his hp you don't need more than 100 armour. You heal 45 per hit or something stupid.
aka Teutonica
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 25 2011 18:04 GMT
#1775
I am curious if you had some sort of reverse draft, where instead of picking your team's champions, you pick the enemies champions (I guess this assumes everyone owns every champion), what would the teams look like? And if you had bans, who would those be, Evelynn?
3.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
October 25 2011 18:08 GMT
#1776
what's the best ad/support bot against cait/taric or cait/ali? in other words, who can manage their lane fairly well without getting shit on? (neglecting graves as he's gonna get nerfed)
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
October 25 2011 18:09 GMT
#1777
On October 26 2011 03:04 Inschato wrote:
I am curious if you had some sort of reverse draft, where instead of picking your team's champions, you pick the enemies champions (I guess this assumes everyone owns every champion), what would the teams look like? And if you had bans, who would those be, Evelynn?


Karma - Shen - Kayle - Leona - Evelynn would be a pretty sweet lineup :>
Romanes eunt domus
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 25 2011 18:17 GMT
#1778
On October 26 2011 03:04 Inschato wrote:
I am curious if you had some sort of reverse draft, where instead of picking your team's champions, you pick the enemies champions (I guess this assumes everyone owns every champion), what would the teams look like? And if you had bans, who would those be, Evelynn?


This works really well using the free champions in the week, since there are exactly 10 free champs every week.

On October 26 2011 03:08 billy5000 wrote:
what's the best ad/support bot against cait/taric or cait/ali? in other words, who can manage their lane fairly well without getting shit on? (neglecting graves as he's gonna get nerfed)


Kog/Sona or Kog/Soraka are pretty standard. You will take some harass early and possibly lose out on a bit of farm, but you should be able to come reasonably close in cs and have a much stronger mid and late game.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
October 25 2011 18:19 GMT
#1779
On October 26 2011 02:12 JackDino wrote:
Pant should do good vs rumble aswell.


Who doesn't he do well vs? That's the real question
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 18:25:46
October 25 2011 18:25 GMT
#1780
On October 26 2011 03:19 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 02:12 JackDino wrote:
Pant should do good vs rumble aswell.


Who doesn't he do well vs? That's the real question

Anyone who comes to lane with 70+ armor and an ok amount of sustain (or just lots of pots). He'll run oom before spear shotting them into critical range. This is only one reason why loci prefers going mid on him - when was the last time you saw an AP carry come to lane with cloth5pot?

The other reason is obviously that you can actually gank more than 1 place on the map with ult.
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