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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Summarised+ Show Spoiler + top 3 junglers,not sure-->WW is imba/shit,not sure---->random twilight argument,not sure--->at this point im happy Neo intervened before people noticed that vayne is a obvious counter to warvick and should be doing x2 damage to him,why no one noticed earlier?Not sure. As for my question,is skarner really that strong as people are saying recently and would you buy him or trundle?Which one is more fun to play with? | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
On October 25 2011 23:50 TheKefka wrote: Was just reading the last few pages of the thread to catch up on discussion. Summarised+ Show Spoiler + top 3 junglers,not sure-->WW is imba/shit,not sure---->random twilight argument,not sure--->at this point im happy Neo intervened before people noticed that vayne is a obvious counter to warvick and should be doing x2 damage to him,why no one noticed earlier?Not sure. As for my question,is skarner really that strong as people are saying recently and would you buy him or trundle?Which one is more fun to play with? skarner is often considered OP right now. just play trundle and learn how to jungle instead of playing skarner and learning how to abuse OPness | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 25 2011 23:49 Craton wrote: Vayne has medium range, not short. Meh, it's pretty short in the current meta. Compare her range to, say, Cait, Ashe, Kog with W up, Trist after a few levels, or hell even Ez (same range, but just use Q and never be close). Vayne is the only ranged AD carry really used in competitive play right now that doesn't have some sort of long range ability/auto. That said, true damage as health% is an absurd notion. Maybe somewhat balanced in actual play as you generally only get 1 proc off, 2 at most, but the idea of it is silly and should be rethought. She's the only ranged AD that doesn't really need to worry about a LW and can lolattack tanks with 0 fucks given. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 25 2011 23:50 TheKefka wrote: Was just reading the last few pages of the thread to catch up on discussion. Summarised+ Show Spoiler + top 3 junglers,not sure-->WW is imba/shit,not sure---->random twilight argument,not sure--->at this point im happy Neo intervened before people noticed that vayne is a obvious counter to warvick and should be doing x2 damage to him,why no one noticed earlier?Not sure. As for my question,is skarner really that strong as people are saying recently and would you buy him or trundle?Which one is more fun to play with? Skarner will basically guarantee kills right now with his ganks (drag fools and permaslow for no mana kekeke), Trundle will be annoying but most people can deal with him or just escape no problem. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 25 2011 19:59 wussleeQ wrote: so umm... i just had a glitch where i have locicero's rune pages now lol. or at least in champ select... lets see if they work.ffs i ended up with my ap rune page as panth Already spoken to QA about it. Being worked on. On October 25 2011 23:08 spinesheath wrote: Speaking of Vayne, who else would appreciate it if Silver Bolts was a toggle (like Frost Shot or Ricochet) with Ammo? Give her like 4/6/8/10/12 ammo on 5-10 sec recharge time. Once active, every single attack consumes 1 ammo, but still only the 3rd hit procs the true damage. There also should be a minimum of 2-3 seconds before you can toggle it off again, no delay on switching back on. Why you hating on my Vayne. Not cool. Vayne has a pretty short autoattack distance already. Besides, she is designed to be an AD counterpick to punish people who pick all tanky teams. In particular, we return to the question of whether the powerbalance of Vayne constitutes antifun... I would write about this but Xypherous does a much better job. (And no, I don't think Vayne is broken.) | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On October 25 2011 23:08 spinesheath wrote: Speaking of Vayne, who else would appreciate it if Silver Bolts was a toggle (like Frost Shot or Ricochet) with Ammo? Give her like 4/6/8/10/12 ammo on 5-10 sec recharge time. Once active, every single attack consumes 1 ammo, but still only the 3rd hit procs the true damage. There also should be a minimum of 2-3 seconds before you can toggle it off again, no delay on switching back on. No? If each attack is going to use 1 ammo, instead of having the actual proc use it then those numbers are really awkward | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
and it got me thinking rumble is still one of if not the best champs in the game | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:30 unichan wrote: No? If each attack is going to use 1 ammo, instead of having the actual proc use it then those numbers are really awkward That's my issue with your redesign idea as well. Ignoring what may or may not be balance issues, having a resource that's consumed by shots that do absolutely nothing (the two build-up shots) is questionable design. If you're going to implement it like that, where EVERY shot consumes ammo, at least have it be so that the build-up shots DO something--say the 2 buildup shots do the flat true damage, but only the 3rd shot does the %-max HP damage. On October 26 2011 01:20 MoonBear wrote: Why you hating on my Vayne. Not cool. Vayne has a pretty short autoattack distance already. Besides, she is designed to be an AD counterpick to punish people who pick all tanky teams. In particular, we return to the question of whether the powerbalance of Vayne constitutes antifun... I would write about this but Xypherous does a much better job. (And no, I don't think Vayne is broken.) I don't think Spines is trying to straight-up nerf Vayne, but rather trying to provide an alternative design for Silver Bolts--seeing as the current implementation is somewhat dry and uninteresting. Then again, I could be wrong--seeing as there are probably much higher priority contenders for "boring skills". Maybe he is just hating on Vayne. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:42 taLbuk wrote: so i was eating a banana this morning and it got me thinking rumble is still one of if not the best champs in the game He's my solo top main. huehue | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:20 MoonBear wrote: Already spoken to QA about it. Being worked on. Why you hating on my Vayne. Not cool. Vayne has a pretty short autoattack distance already. Besides, she is designed to be an AD counterpick to punish people who pick all tanky teams. In particular, we return to the question of whether the powerbalance of Vayne constitutes antifun... I would write about this but Xypherous does a much better job. (And no, I don't think Vayne is broken.) She has shorter range than cait ashe and kog which have specificially long range. Since when has she been a tank counter pick? If anything thats kog. Vayne players build BC often which is specifically a counter to squishies and her high mobility and stealth and AD steriod on R means she's one of the best for chasing down and melting people. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
As Riven: Bad Rumble players are food. Good Rumble players are annoying, but not impossible to lane against. His damage is really good, but with no sustain and only minimal innate tankiness, I feel that a lot of solo top'ers can match him no real problem. There aren't any that completely dominate him, but there are only a few that he completely shuts down as well. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
To make this post not completely useless, does anyone know the ins and outs of solotop counters? Is there a list anywhere of what solotops do good against others or something similar? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:47 Requizen wrote: As Riven: Bad Rumble players are food. Good Rumble players are annoying, but not impossible to lane against. His damage is really good, but with no sustain and only minimal innate tankiness, I feel that a lot of solo top'ers can match him no real problem. There aren't any that completely dominate him, but there are only a few that he completely shuts down as well. hi5 resourceless champions I haven't seen many Riven lately but once Rumble has Revolver, what can you do? Between spell vamp and W, Rumble out-attritions you. And I'm pretty sure Rumble wins trades post-5. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:47 57 Corvette wrote: Honestly, the only reason I care about season 2 is the season 2 cgi trailer they are (hopfully) making. To make this post not completely useless, does anyone know the ins and outs of solotop counters? Is there a list anywhere of what solotops do good against others or something similar? There used to be a thread that I was working on but I haven't had time as of late. Search "picks and counterpicks" in our subforum. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:45 Slayer91 wrote: She has shorter range than cait ashe and kog which have specificially long range. Since when has she been a tank counter pick? If anything thats kog. Vayne players build BC often which is specifically a counter to squishies and her high mobility and stealth and AD steriod on R means she's one of the best for chasing down and melting people. Like I said above, she also has no real burst outside of Silver Bolt procs. No skillshot poke, no ranged ability to make up for her short autos. She's the same range as Ezreal, Graves, Corki, and MF, but they all have some sort of ranged ability to make up for their short range. Vayne is the only one that needs to get up close to do any damage at all. And while her stun is amazing (fucking amazing, even), it's very positioning dependent and her only source of burst damage, while most other ranged AD have burst abilities. In fact, I'd almost say Ez, Corki and Graves are better at blowing up squishies faster than Vayne. But yes, she is good at taking out tanky dps types, better than anyone but Kog. When Udyr comes barreling out of the jungle, you can't ignore his damage, so he needs to die. Kog and Vayne are the only real ones that can chew through health pools like that, and Kog trades any mobility, escape, or CC to do so. Vayne does not. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:55 NeoIllusions wrote: hi5 resourceless champions I haven't seen many Riven lately but once Rumble has Revolver, what can you do? Between spell vamp and W, Rumble out-attritions you. And I'm pretty sure Rumble wins trades post-5. Mana is for loooozers. Fury is for lolz. I dunno, Wriggles provides plenty of sustain in lane for me, once I build that and grab another Vamp Scepter for BT, I don't ever really feel threatened. Riven can dodge out all skillshots, slows don't bother her, and once you get some AD her shield is a nightmare to try and get through. I can pretty confidently say that I can beat most Rumbles at my level. Once 6 hits, it's not even a question with Riven's broken imbaimba ult. If I have a particularly tough time, rush Merc's and maybe another NMM. It basically becomes a farm fest because it's too risky for either person to commit to attacking the other. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:58 Two_DoWn wrote: Is the only way to beat rumble to just play someone like ryze? Basically pick someone who can burst down Rumble when he needs to and not eat a full Flamespitter. So needs to be able to zone. Farm in lane, take position. If Rumble comes close, burst. | ||
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