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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 144

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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 15:37:28
October 29 2011 15:36 GMT
#2861
Well, to be honest, there's a single champion that I really want, everyone else is extra, so that alone lowers the sum by 200k. It should be easily doable in 2 years, unless I want to grind my ass off. Problem is, two years are a long time, no idea what will happen in the meantime DotA 2, etc.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
October 29 2011 15:45 GMT
#2862
So who is getting nerfed in the next patch?
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 29 2011 15:48 GMT
#2863
On October 30 2011 00:45 Shiragaku wrote:
So who is getting nerfed in the next patch?


Graves. Shaco, Olaf and Wukong buffs.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
October 29 2011 16:08 GMT
#2864
On October 30 2011 00:45 Shiragaku wrote:
So who is getting nerfed in the next patch?

Vladimir
+ Show Spoiler +
Kidding but seriously, where are the promised buffs..
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 29 2011 16:54 GMT
#2865
Vlad went on sale, which you would think they would do that timed just after the buffs / after the buffs were announced in the patch preview to generate more sales. But they could also be using the sale on him to gauge interest in the champ to see if he is worth taking the time to analyze and buff.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
October 29 2011 17:12 GMT
#2866
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spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
October 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#2867
In my recent string of ranked games, I've seen shaco's just facestomping the enemy jungle and ganking like bosses. It's just surprising because there were virtually no shaco's just 2-3 weeks ago, and suddenly there's this huge surge of pretty skilled ones. Has he suddenly become fotm? I realize the patch preview mentions of shaco buffs, but I'm referring to games played before the preview release.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 29 2011 17:17 GMT
#2868
He's really strong on Dominion so it's likely that many shaco fans played him there and then sort of got "in the mood" to play him again on SR.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 29 2011 17:20 GMT
#2869
On October 30 2011 02:17 STS17 wrote:
He's really strong on Dominion so it's likely that many shaco fans played him there and then sort of got "in the mood" to play him again on SR.

It's because they fixed the bugs on his jitbs
:)
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 29 2011 17:21 GMT
#2870
Shaco has been really strong ever since the box "bugfixes". It just took a while until people realized it as he was very unpopular before and "bugfix" doesn't seem to make people think "buff".
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:29:07
October 29 2011 17:27 GMT
#2871
hm i used to play a lot of shaco back in s1 when he was permabanned, but haven't touched him since.Time to start brushing up on him, because he's probably the most fun champ to play in the game, and I didn't realize how much the bugfix really helped him.
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:29:28
October 29 2011 17:28 GMT
#2872
On October 30 2011 02:27 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
hm i used to play a lot of shaco back in s1 when he was permabanned, but haven't touched him since. Time to start brushing up on him, because he's probably the most fun champ to play in the game, and I didn't realize how much the bugfix really helped him.


wow I can't click edit for shit. sorry for double post
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:40:50
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#2873
On October 30 2011 01:08 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 00:45 Shiragaku wrote:
So who is getting nerfed in the next patch?

Vladimir
+ Show Spoiler +
Kidding but seriously, where are the promised buffs..

he got his rylais fixed.

As soon as people figure that out, he'll be OP again.



Btw IMO AP Shaco is amazing, even a double box can bring an AP or AD carry to deceive -> knives death range and the endless poking and uncatchability is just awesome. Not to mention the fact you can solo baron at 15min and no one expects it .. .
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 29 2011 17:44 GMT
#2874
I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility.

Also: I have decided that the best way to beat cait in lane is to play AP support zil. Put bomb on her head at level 1, take her to 3/4 hp, then just zone her all day long.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 29 2011 18:04 GMT
#2875
Then you should just play Sona. She does it better.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 29 2011 18:07 GMT
#2876
On October 30 2011 03:04 Craton wrote:
Then you should just play Sona. She does it better.

In what way? Id rather be able to control where my damage goes. Plus the speed boost is hella good.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:13:09
October 29 2011 18:11 GMT
#2877
On October 30 2011 02:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility.

Also: I have decided that the best way to beat cait in lane is to play AP support zil. Put bomb on her head at level 1, take her to 3/4 hp, then just zone her all day long.

Vlad is in the LeBlanc situation right now, but instead of it being the early levels it's level 9-16 for Vlad.
You have to win the game or at least put yourself in an extremely favourable position or else you lose because late game Vladimir has no damage and very little utility.
The other difference is that Vlad can not carry nearly as hard as LeBlanc at his prime time.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:13:11
October 29 2011 18:12 GMT
#2878
On October 30 2011 03:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 03:04 Craton wrote:
Then you should just play Sona. She does it better.

In what way? Id rather be able to control where my damage goes. Plus the speed boost is hella good.

Unless you're in a lane with 3+ people, that's not an issue.

You have zero control over where the person takes your bomb to explode.
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 29 2011 18:19 GMT
#2879
On October 30 2011 02:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility.


It's less of him forcing them and more of the person your laning against will always be super aggressive unless they're stupid. Vlad can't stand in lane against any of the common AP picks because they will zone you very early.

I think Vlad fell off because of new champions more than he did because of his nerfs.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 29 2011 18:21 GMT
#2880
On October 30 2011 03:11 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility.

Also: I have decided that the best way to beat cait in lane is to play AP support zil. Put bomb on her head at level 1, take her to 3/4 hp, then just zone her all day long.

Vlad is in the LeBlanc situation right now, but instead of it being the early levels it's level 9-16 for Vlad.
You have to win the game or at least put yourself in an extremely favourable position or else you lose because late game Vladimir has no damage and very little utility.
The other difference is that Vlad can not carry nearly as hard as LeBlanc at his prime time.

Disagree. LB's primetime is 9-16. Vlad actually scales INCREDIBLY hard into late game because of A) his double dip passive, B) his ability to basically isolate and 1v1 anyone because of his health pool and spammable slow with rylais and, C) His ult that ramps up damage done by everyone on the team. The problem with vlad was always you had to blunder through the early game to hit your late game power. And I really dont think his early game is all that bad. Q hits pretty hard and HEALS you, so while you cant go the full aggressive that you used to be able to do, you have to play a bit more safe.

I think the main problem with Vlad at this point is that he was such a faceroll easy champ on release that everyone has memories of just pressing q and winning the game. Now that he has a bit less power and actually requires tactics and thought people dont like him nearly as much.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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