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DotA 2, etc.[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 144
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On October 30 2011 00:45 Shiragaku wrote: So who is getting nerfed in the next patch? Graves. Shaco, Olaf and Wukong buffs. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On October 30 2011 00:45 Shiragaku wrote: So who is getting nerfed in the next patch? Vladimir + Show Spoiler + Kidding but seriously, where are the promised buffs.. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On October 30 2011 02:17 STS17 wrote: He's really strong on Dominion so it's likely that many shaco fans played him there and then sort of got "in the mood" to play him again on SR. It's because they fixed the bugs on his jitbs | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
On October 30 2011 02:27 spacemonkey4eve wrote: hm i used to play a lot of shaco back in s1 when he was permabanned, but haven't touched him since. Time to start brushing up on him, because he's probably the most fun champ to play in the game, and I didn't realize how much the bugfix really helped him. wow I can't click edit for shit. sorry for double post | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 30 2011 01:08 ptrpb wrote: Vladimir + Show Spoiler + Kidding but seriously, where are the promised buffs.. he got his rylais fixed. As soon as people figure that out, he'll be OP again. Btw IMO AP Shaco is amazing, even a double box can bring an AP or AD carry to deceive -> knives death range and the endless poking and uncatchability is just awesome. Not to mention the fact you can solo baron at 15min and no one expects it .. . | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Also: I have decided that the best way to beat cait in lane is to play AP support zil. Put bomb on her head at level 1, take her to 3/4 hp, then just zone her all day long. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:04 Craton wrote: Then you should just play Sona. She does it better. In what way? Id rather be able to control where my damage goes. Plus the speed boost is hella good. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On October 30 2011 02:44 Two_DoWn wrote: I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility. Also: I have decided that the best way to beat cait in lane is to play AP support zil. Put bomb on her head at level 1, take her to 3/4 hp, then just zone her all day long. Vlad is in the LeBlanc situation right now, but instead of it being the early levels it's level 9-16 for Vlad. You have to win the game or at least put yourself in an extremely favourable position or else you lose because late game Vladimir has no damage and very little utility. The other difference is that Vlad can not carry nearly as hard as LeBlanc at his prime time. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:07 Two_DoWn wrote: In what way? Id rather be able to control where my damage goes. Plus the speed boost is hella good. Unless you're in a lane with 3+ people, that's not an issue. You have zero control over where the person takes your bomb to explode. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 30 2011 02:44 Two_DoWn wrote: I really dont think vlad is in a bad spot. He forces the enemy to play aggressive at early levels, and if they dont, he gets a free walk to laning invincibility. It's less of him forcing them and more of the person your laning against will always be super aggressive unless they're stupid. Vlad can't stand in lane against any of the common AP picks because they will zone you very early. I think Vlad fell off because of new champions more than he did because of his nerfs. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:11 ptrpb wrote: Vlad is in the LeBlanc situation right now, but instead of it being the early levels it's level 9-16 for Vlad. You have to win the game or at least put yourself in an extremely favourable position or else you lose because late game Vladimir has no damage and very little utility. The other difference is that Vlad can not carry nearly as hard as LeBlanc at his prime time. Disagree. LB's primetime is 9-16. Vlad actually scales INCREDIBLY hard into late game because of A) his double dip passive, B) his ability to basically isolate and 1v1 anyone because of his health pool and spammable slow with rylais and, C) His ult that ramps up damage done by everyone on the team. The problem with vlad was always you had to blunder through the early game to hit your late game power. And I really dont think his early game is all that bad. Q hits pretty hard and HEALS you, so while you cant go the full aggressive that you used to be able to do, you have to play a bit more safe. I think the main problem with Vlad at this point is that he was such a faceroll easy champ on release that everyone has memories of just pressing q and winning the game. Now that he has a bit less power and actually requires tactics and thought people dont like him nearly as much. | ||
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