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United States47024 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:30 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 06:44 Qualm wrote:On September 30 2011 05:13 Alzadar wrote:
When playing as someone like Ryze, should I be using spells to last hit or just try and rely on my auto-attacks? I just played a game mid vs Morgana and she wrecked me hilariously in CS, like not even close. Until you have tears you just auto unless you need to use mana because you're under tower, after that you usually use spells to charge the tear up. so you are advising he sit on full mana so that he can port back to shop with full mana? for me atleast auto hitting last hits is much harder than just using q to be sure, i doubt many players can get a decent number of cs without using spells, especially against a morgana who can push your lane on purpose to get your turret to steal youre gold
If you need to use mana to CS under tower, obviously do it.
In general, unless the tower is involved, you should be getting 100% of lasthits you go for with your autoattack. If you can't do that, you need more practice lasthitting with your autoattack.
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On September 30 2011 10:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:30 turdburgler wrote:On September 30 2011 06:44 Qualm wrote:On September 30 2011 05:13 Alzadar wrote:
When playing as someone like Ryze, should I be using spells to last hit or just try and rely on my auto-attacks? I just played a game mid vs Morgana and she wrecked me hilariously in CS, like not even close. Until you have tears you just auto unless you need to use mana because you're under tower, after that you usually use spells to charge the tear up. so you are advising he sit on full mana so that he can port back to shop with full mana? for me atleast auto hitting last hits is much harder than just using q to be sure, i doubt many players can get a decent number of cs without using spells, especially against a morgana who can push your lane on purpose to get your turret to steal youre gold If you need to use mana to CS under tower, obviously do it. In general, unless the tower is involved, you should be getting 100% of lasthits you go for with your autoattack. If you can't do that, you need more practice lasthitting with your autoattack.
Do not ever use mana on creeps unless you are under your tower. Always auto attack and use mana for champions (before you get a tear/blue/cata/etc.)
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On September 30 2011 10:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:30 turdburgler wrote:On September 30 2011 06:44 Qualm wrote:On September 30 2011 05:13 Alzadar wrote:
When playing as someone like Ryze, should I be using spells to last hit or just try and rely on my auto-attacks? I just played a game mid vs Morgana and she wrecked me hilariously in CS, like not even close. Until you have tears you just auto unless you need to use mana because you're under tower, after that you usually use spells to charge the tear up. so you are advising he sit on full mana so that he can port back to shop with full mana? for me atleast auto hitting last hits is much harder than just using q to be sure, i doubt many players can get a decent number of cs without using spells, especially against a morgana who can push your lane on purpose to get your turret to steal youre gold If you need to use mana to CS under tower, obviously do it. In general, unless the tower is involved, you should be getting 100% of lasthits you go for with your autoattack. If you can't do that, you need more practice lasthitting with your autoattack.
I wouldn't say 100%, lol You know as well as I do that depending on how the creeps are wacking each other that you simply can't get all your cs by last hitting with autos alone unless you have total creep control.
Basically, don't miss cs. If there are two creeps about to die and you can't auto both to death, auto one and use your spell on the other. At the very least that's what I think unless you are very constrained on mana and are saving up for a big engage.
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On September 30 2011 10:37 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:33 TheYango wrote:On September 30 2011 10:30 turdburgler wrote:On September 30 2011 06:44 Qualm wrote:On September 30 2011 05:13 Alzadar wrote:
When playing as someone like Ryze, should I be using spells to last hit or just try and rely on my auto-attacks? I just played a game mid vs Morgana and she wrecked me hilariously in CS, like not even close. Until you have tears you just auto unless you need to use mana because you're under tower, after that you usually use spells to charge the tear up. so you are advising he sit on full mana so that he can port back to shop with full mana? for me atleast auto hitting last hits is much harder than just using q to be sure, i doubt many players can get a decent number of cs without using spells, especially against a morgana who can push your lane on purpose to get your turret to steal youre gold If you need to use mana to CS under tower, obviously do it. In general, unless the tower is involved, you should be getting 100% of lasthits you go for with your autoattack. If you can't do that, you need more practice lasthitting with your autoattack. Do not ever use mana on creeps unless you are under your tower. Always auto attack and use mana for champions (before you get a tear/blue/cata/etc.)
you may disagree but i have an exception to this, when there are two creeps about to die, auto one, use a skill on the other only if it would die before your auto attack could kill it
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On September 30 2011 10:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wouldn't say 100%, lol You know as well as I do that depending on how the creeps are wacking each other that you simply can't get all your cs by last hitting with autos alone unless you have total creep control.
You definitely can, it just requires more than just 'last hits.' Sometimes you have to do the dreaded 2nd hit, to unsync minion damage. Scary I know.
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What are some good CS numbers to try for at certain time checkpoints like 10 minutes, 15 etc. ?
(assuming of course a normal game where one team isn't getting run over ridiculously fast)
I'm just about to start ranked so I want to know what I'm trying for
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On September 30 2011 10:44 Swaye wrote:
What are some good CS numbers to try for at certain time checkpoints like 10 minutes, 15 etc. ?
(assuming of course a normal game where one team isn't getting run over ridiculously fast)
I'm just about to start ranked so I want to know what I'm trying for
10 creeps per minute
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if u dont have 10 creeps by 1 minute ur bad
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On September 30 2011 10:46 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:44 Swaye wrote:
What are some good CS numbers to try for at certain time checkpoints like 10 minutes, 15 etc. ?
(assuming of course a normal game where one team isn't getting run over ridiculously fast)
I'm just about to start ranked so I want to know what I'm trying for 10 creeps per minute
Thanks. hmm I think I'm just a bit short of that... >.>
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On September 30 2011 10:44 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wouldn't say 100%, lol You know as well as I do that depending on how the creeps are wacking each other that you simply can't get all your cs by last hitting with autos alone unless you have total creep control. You definitely can, it just requires more than just 'last hits.' Sometimes you have to do the dreaded 2nd hit, to unsync minion damage. Scary I know.
100% cs is impossible outside of singleplayer custom games simply due to the interaction of champions. There are many cases where getting a cs isnt worth the damage trade off you will take.
That being said, maximizing your cs is the most important skill you can have after basic late game knowledge.
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On September 30 2011 10:26 Swaye wrote:Long time lurker here, figured it was about time I said hi and thanks to all the folks who've given useful info/entertained me 
Shhhhh
They're not supposed to know we're here.
We sit in the shadows and are ever vigilant of what goes on.
Lurkers are basically Batman.
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On September 30 2011 10:58 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:44 red_ wrote:On September 30 2011 10:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
I wouldn't say 100%, lol You know as well as I do that depending on how the creeps are wacking each other that you simply can't get all your cs by last hitting with autos alone unless you have total creep control. You definitely can, it just requires more than just 'last hits.' Sometimes you have to do the dreaded 2nd hit, to unsync minion damage. Scary I know. 100% cs is impossible outside of singleplayer custom games simply due to the interaction of champions. There are many cases where getting a cs isnt worth the damage trade off you will take. That being said, maximizing your cs is the most important skill you can have after basic late game knowledge.
Context is important: we were talking about 100% of cs with your last hits, not 100% cs.
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England2675 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:46 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:44 Swaye wrote:
What are some good CS numbers to try for at certain time checkpoints like 10 minutes, 15 etc. ?
(assuming of course a normal game where one team isn't getting run over ridiculously fast)
I'm just about to start ranked so I want to know what I'm trying for 10 creeps per minute
I always aim for 100 at 12 minutes (that's 10 a minute) then 200 at 20 minutes (a bit more than 10 a minute). Whether I get that many or not is another matter but it's a good goal for me. I'm happy with 80 at 12 minutes and 170 at 20 minutes though. Less than that and I feel I'm farming badly.
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On September 30 2011 10:05 rigwarl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 08:36 UniversalSnip wrote:
welp I'm pretty much done with dominion unless I have a full five. I feel like it's decided by the worst player in the game because every mechanism that would let the best player snowball out of control has been removed. The gold and xp gain from kills/farming is trivial and even the snowball items are gone... closest you can get is warmogs lol.
Whoever the most incompetent player is will consistently give up control points and pretty much determine the game. Totally unplayable for solo queue. It's pretty hard to lose if you go 20-0, no matter how bad your team is.
You're surely kidding.
I'd say I have 3:1 k/d in my dominion games in the vast majority of my games so far and I'm like 50/50 in W/L. There is no such thing as getting fed in dominion, it's totally worthless to pick up kills.
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On September 30 2011 11:09 Lancer723 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:26 Swaye wrote:Long time lurker here, figured it was about time I said hi and thanks to all the folks who've given useful info/entertained me Shhhhh They're not supposed to know we're here. We sit in the shadows and are ever vigilant of what goes on. Lurkers are basically Batman.
But what happens when Batman gets lonely and wants to talk to people?
Edit: thanks for the input as well Flicky
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On September 30 2011 11:22 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:05 rigwarl wrote:On September 30 2011 08:36 UniversalSnip wrote:
welp I'm pretty much done with dominion unless I have a full five. I feel like it's decided by the worst player in the game because every mechanism that would let the best player snowball out of control has been removed. The gold and xp gain from kills/farming is trivial and even the snowball items are gone... closest you can get is warmogs lol.
Whoever the most incompetent player is will consistently give up control points and pretty much determine the game. Totally unplayable for solo queue. It's pretty hard to lose if you go 20-0, no matter how bad your team is. You're surely kidding. I'd say I have 3:1 k/d in my dominion games in the vast majority of my games so far and I'm like 50/50 in W/L. There is no such thing as getting fed in dominion, it's totally worthless to pick up kills.
I'm pretty confident I'm no more than .67:1 KDA in dominion with a like 70-80% win. Mostly 'cause farming kills is a useless waste of time, while backdooring and defending points (and dying to buy time usually) is more effective.
Pretty much after I stopped trying to make carries work (my first like 10 games), I won just about everything.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:26 Swaye wrote:Long time lurker here, figured it was about time I said hi and thanks to all the folks who've given useful info/entertained me
Welcome to TL. I was once a long-time lurker too! 
Re Dominion: Ignoring Assists, I always end up negative. Kills only matter in Dominion in terms of momentum and tempo. For instance, it decides where you can pressure and how hard. Getting aced mid-late game lets you set up for a dramatic swing in nodes. Kills early game are more for money and setting up the 3-2 lockdown snowball. So long as you can maintain the node pressure and lock them down, it's not a terribly big deal. This is especially the case with the respawn mechanic on Dominion.
Respawns in Dominion work a little differently than SR. Apart from lower respawn timers, there's also a respawn window. For instance, let's say Galio dies first in a fight. His respawn is 25 sec. He also however opens a 7 sec window where anyone else who dies in the next 7 seconds will respawn with him together, cutting down their respawn timer or have a few seconds shaved off their respawn. Therefore, dying in groups is okay so long as you kill enough of the other team that they can't break your lockdown on nodes. So if you still have someone to defend top, you can all respawn and stop bot captures for example.
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On September 30 2011 11:22 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:05 rigwarl wrote:On September 30 2011 08:36 UniversalSnip wrote:
welp I'm pretty much done with dominion unless I have a full five. I feel like it's decided by the worst player in the game because every mechanism that would let the best player snowball out of control has been removed. The gold and xp gain from kills/farming is trivial and even the snowball items are gone... closest you can get is warmogs lol.
Whoever the most incompetent player is will consistently give up control points and pretty much determine the game. Totally unplayable for solo queue. It's pretty hard to lose if you go 20-0, no matter how bad your team is. You're surely kidding. I'd say I have 3:1 k/d in my dominion games in the vast majority of my games so far and I'm like 50/50 in W/L. There is no such thing as getting fed in dominion, it's totally worthless to pick up kills.
i wouldn't say worthless but definitely has less value than it does in SR. killing somebody in dominion is good because it repositions that champion back to their spawn making windmill easier to defend/capture.
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I've been playing AP shaco a lot on dominion. A lot of mobility so you can BD and you can also get kills pretty easily without much chasing. The boxes at points really helps to slow down captures too and it makes it unsafe for the enemy team to go through the middle cause you can put boxes all over with 40% CDR.
So much fun.
edit: Also kills make the enemy nexus lose 3 health. 20 kills equates to 60 health, which is a decent chunk.
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My K/D ratio is never that great when I play Dominion as Karthus so I just defend all day and always disrupt, fun but doesn't get you awesome kill totals. I mostly save my Ult for disruption and for helping swing teamfights at the top node in our favor. Of course it sucks when your team doesn't know shit so you have to move your slow ass lich body across the map to cap shit. I haven't played many games as of yet so meh only 15-7 right now.
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