EPT[Patch 1.0.0.124: Talon] General Discussion - Page 107
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 02 2011 09:41 phyvo wrote: How do you do skarner right, then? Because honestly outside of that one Grassy vid I've never seen a skarner amount to anything. Does crap DPS, no zone control/range/initiation, and doesn't have much utility. Your gap closer is breakable, if you're not within 150 range of your target none of your skills will hit, and if you're not auto attacking everything has a wicked longer cooldown. In my eyes his weaknesses just pile up on each other and he doesn't have any strengths whatsoever. I've watched Dan Dihn and Shushei stream him but I'm simply not impressed by them or by any of the lower elo skarners I've ever met, including ones that got solo lane farm. Since Odds and me are the sekrit Skarner fanboys on here.. ( I guess the only ones, hurpdurp) Skarner has (imho) a role that wasn't in the game before in this form. That's why people keep assuming he's bad, because he build and play him by common standards (just another tanky dps) while his true strength is another (anti-assassin). He is full of "IF"s, but he can be played around those. Just people run right into his "yeah he would be good IF...."-traps without realizing they can just ignore that case and play him to his strengths. Skarner is built to rape anti-carries like Irelia, Akali, Nocturne (sometimes Jarv/Panth) and similar champs. (I'm not sure how he performs Jax, but I assume it's very similar.) While you have strong babysitters who basicly cc their target to hell and back to keep him off your carry (think Cho/Janna) you have no one else besides Skarner who is purely built around that. (And yes, he fucking is.) His Q is effectively a strong permaslow IF he is next to a target. The targets you need to fuck up will come to you. His W is an INSANE steroid, considering it also gives him CDR - IF he is not the main target. Your targets will focus someone else over you, period. His E is basicly a cute skill that gets you through laning and does some AoE damage. It's the only part of his kit that doesn't really follow what I stated above. His R. People keep assuming it is to INITIATE on someone. Fuck, no, it's not. It's there to COUNTERINITIATE on someone. (Who came up with the idea that a skill that needs someone without a gapcloser to be in meleerange is an initiate and therefor bad?) Think you're Janna. You stay next to your carry. When Janna would press R, you press R and click the greatest single threat to your carry who just casted his gapcloser. Then you pull that threat back into your bruisers and in the ideal range for your carries so your team can 5n1 that fucker properly. Once that's done he's permaslowed and can't get back into his chasemode (where he shines). If you think in medieval formations: Skarner reestablishes the perfect formation for your team after an assassin dived in there and turned it all around (carry has to retreat, bruisers have to run back and save their carry). Skarner is THE single strongest counter in the game to champions who: -Outshine everyone 1n1. -Hate to be focussed for more than the time it takes to go in and fuck someone up. So let's change the "if"s people keep failing around: IF the other team has stuff like: Nocturne/Irelia/Akali and all those fuckers who shine 1n1 & anti-squishy but hate to be focussed. IF you have vulnerable carries who are instant targets for them (e.g. aka not-Tristana/Orianna. Really depends on matchups and the amount of "fuckers" in the other team though.) IF you have someone who can initiate fights properly. Skarner is a fucking great pick. Why? He get's through laning, not great, but solid. He shuts down the task a single major threat has to perform consistently and in an almost uncounterable way. If his target can't perform that task he's pretty much fucked. Combine the thoughtprocess above with Odds way of itemizing Skarner (his ideas > mine there) and you realize that Skarner is WAY underrated. Not sure if other people find other ways of playing him, but imho he's a very situational pick but a great "secret weapon" if it's the correct time to play him. You can thank us later. (; | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Ashe has been slain! durp im a scorpion. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:09 Southlight wrote: My Irelia shits on Skarner no matter how anti-carry you may attempt to build him. [10:47:06 PM] nightseternal: irelia is a terrible hero [10:52:35 PM] nightseternal: worst hero ever [10:52:37 PM] nightseternal: why do ppl play her? real hypocrite | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:15 TieN.nS) wrote: [10:47:06 PM] nightseternal: irelia is a terrible hero [10:52:35 PM] nightseternal: worst hero ever [10:52:37 PM] nightseternal: why do ppl play her? real hypocrite Further magnifying how terrible Skarner is =p | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
gunblade+triforce op | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:56 Brees wrote: ^quicksilver sash Ashe has been slain! durp im a scorpion. Actually. lol. You're right. Fun fact: I never had a single of those champs build it before it was too late. 1-2 fights where it works is all you need. =D | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:15 TieN.nS) wrote: [10:47:06 PM] nightseternal: irelia is a terrible hero [10:52:35 PM] nightseternal: worst hero ever [10:52:37 PM] nightseternal: why do ppl play her? real hypocrite In case it wasn't obvious Irelia's my go-to carry hero. I was being facetious and in a long-winded rage being frustrated at how a certain duo q partner insists on solo laning despite being horrendous at it. | ||
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Craton
United States17255 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:19 Ryuu314 wrote: i dont see the problem with elo resets. baddies will be bad and not get higher elo regardless of how many times they reset their elo. it's just more money for Riot. 1.) It breaks the "we don't sell power" rule of Riot. 2.) It inflates Elo and does so in an uncontrolled fashion 3.) It muddles up the bronze-silver Elo range even more, which means you have a higher chance of having someone who belongs at a lower Elo in your game. It's not enjoyable to play with random people significantly below your skill-level -- it undermines the whole idea of Elo. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:56 Brees wrote: ^quicksilver sash Ashe has been slain! durp im a scorpion. yeah because QSS works real fucking well against permaslow | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:29 Ryuu314 wrote: I agree with the fact that skarner doesn't really seem to shine in any role but it's just weird 'cause every time I've ever played skarner i've raped :O gunblade+triforce op This man knows! Gunblade + Triforce and scorpio starts raping faces everywhere. Only problem Skarner has is that his build is pretty much too expensive. Once you do get those items though, it's raping time. The gunblade let's you connect your perma slow from up to 700 range. Combined with your ulti it pretty much means that if you can take the other guy, he's dead once he leaves the tower. But Skarner is a pain to play atm. Feels too much that you need to rely on the enemy top champ to be weak or an easy matchup for Skarner. You can't really get away with playing him top if the other guy is doing his job right/is a proper top champ. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
1) What's stopping said anti-carry from just turning and killing you instead? 2) Even if this "anti anti-carry" idea works, where are you going to lane as Skarner? He'd get shit on top or mid and is useless as a support bottom. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 02 2011 16:07 arnath wrote: Two issues with this theory: 1) What's stopping said anti-carry from just turning and killing you instead? 2) Even if this "anti anti-carry" idea works, where are you going to lane as Skarner? He'd get shit on top or mid and is useless as a support bottom. Just re-thought the QSS with brain and all. 1.5s suppression. I dno, QSS would skip like half of that. I'm not sure if it's effective. If said anti-carry turns and tries to kill you instead? You're still far more tanky than your carry which then gets free shots at the evil assassin and is save. Profit. Lane? Top, exclusively. I don't feel as shit on when playing Skarner as most people here. o.O | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:37 Southlight wrote: In case it wasn't obvious Irelia's my go-to carry hero. I was being facetious and in a long-winded rage being frustrated at how a certain duo q partner insists on solo laning despite being horrendous at it. Quotes are funnier out of context~ | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Cuz I have a tendency to switching between serious mode and sarcastic mode and that doesn't translate well on the intarnetz. | ||
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
If my goal is to have someone to protect my carry from assassins, I'll pick Blitzcrank or Alistar over Skarner any day. The fact that Skarner isn't a champion with a blatantly obvious item build doesn't help. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
STOP MAKING ME CRY WITH THESE BUILDS I'll try to make a thread tonight | ||
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