EPTAnnie
Ashe
Ryze
Soraka
Xin (is he cheap?)
Ww
These champs give you a wide range of character types as well.
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
Annie Ashe Ryze Soraka Xin (is he cheap?) Ww These champs give you a wide range of character types as well. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
I wouldn't call Ryze easy, either. His farming is one of the hardest for awhile. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I don't want Udyr or GP, so that cuts down on some jungle options. I haven't seen much of Jarvan lately, did he get nerfed recently? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 21 2011 13:08 Craton wrote: Unless you have played something on a free week and really liked them, don't go out of you way to buy anything past 3k when you're still starting out. Get a few cheap champions and play whats free and work on some basic rune sets. Reds - Armor Pen (205), Magic Pen (205) Yellows - Flat Armor (205), Mana regen per 5 (205) Blues - Magic Resist per level (205), AP per level (410?) Quints - Armor Pen (1025), Flat AP (1025), Flat HP (optional; 2050) Once you get all of those (excluding maybe flat HP), you have a reasonable rune set for almost any champion. Go ahead and get more champs from there, but eventually you want to expand your rune pages. Reds - AD Yellows - Dodge Blues - Flat CDR, Flat Magic Resist Quints - Flat HP, Movement Speed There is a decent attack speed one, but I forget which. There are some other runes out there that have uses, like yellow HP per level or mana runes for Ryze, but you can really go without them. mostly good, with some exceptions, mp5 runes are considered purely a crutch except in some extreme cases, so i wouldn't recommend getting used to them. Typically for mres blues, you want flat if you're laning and scaling if you're jungling. Since most low lvl ppl aren't jungling too much, i would go for flats. i wouldnt recommend dodge yellows, super niche imo. Attack speed usually is either reds or quints for junglers, and sometimes yellows. I usually run mixed quints for my jungling, but idk what most ppl do. I've actually been running more and more mixed runes. getting joug-itis i guess. edit: ah yeah, and most ppl seem to be running ad and apen for quints and reds, pick one or the other, so either red apens + ad quints or ad reds + apen quints. I think most ppl prefer the former | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On August 21 2011 15:25 barbsq wrote: edit: ah yeah, and most ppl seem to be running ad and apen for quints and reds, pick one or the other, so either red apens + ad quints or ad reds + apen quints. I think most ppl prefer the former If you're going to run a mix of ad and arpen on your quints and reds, you should use AD quints because they're more efficient. Arpen quint = 2 arpen reds. AD quint = more than 2 flat AD reds. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On August 21 2011 09:17 Shikyo wrote: For a good melee champion for a beginner I'd suggest nasus, he's going to crush everyone who doesn't know how to deal with him(everyone below 30) Ah tried out Nasus since he was a cheap suggestion, will try the others when I have more points. Was intimidated by his need to last hit everything, but read some guides and watched someone play him and did well. 16/4 even though we lost still a fun guy to use. I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was. Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do Then finally PvP with hero. Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote: as far as jungling 100% armor yellows on everyone. For magic tanks I like MR or spell pen reds, any quints, for ad caster junglers armor pen red ad quints (i class olaf and lee sin in here), for autoattacker ad junglers attack speed red, ad quints (yi, xin, etc). Used to run attack speed quints, switched over to AD quints as they are just much better overall, more stats. The difference is very noticable. I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot. I have been very happy with Dodge yellows for jungling. I couldn't feel any dropoff from flat armor, but they scale into lategame much better. On August 21 2011 16:09 BlackMagister wrote: I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was. Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do Then finally PvP with hero. Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots. I watch a lot of streams, so most of the time I have seen something played and try to emulate what worked. Guides are useful to see common items built for the champion. You're better off ignoring standard mobafire guides (99% of the time they're far too squishy) and looking for ones written by high Elo players (Mobafire does have a separate section for this and Solomid has some as well). There are a lot of VoDs floating around between CLG, Solomid, Tournies, and some misc. streamers. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On August 21 2011 16:09 BlackMagister wrote: Ah tried out Nasus since he was a cheap suggestion, will try the others when I have more points. Was intimidated by his need to last hit everything, but read some guides and watched someone play him and did well. 16/4 even though we lost still a fun guy to use. I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was. Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do Then finally PvP with hero. Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots. just play normal games and learn that way. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Sponge75
England194 Posts
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On August 21 2011 18:35 Sponge75 wrote: Any idea what rune page Hotshot is running on Jax? Atm i'm using Dodge yellows, mr/lvl blues, then arp reds + quints but only because i'm not really sure what to buy. not hotshot runes but u should be running flat ad reds and quints dodge yellows flat mr blues | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On August 21 2011 14:09 Craton wrote: I wouldn't call Ryze easy, either. His farming is one of the hardest for awhile. Just like Annie, his autoattck animation is so fucking slow. Then you can last hit with Q but Annie's one doesn't cost Mana... | ||
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NSANE.hydra
United States644 Posts
1800's, no jungle game, playing revive/tele blitzstar with 3 in bot lane. wtf. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote: as far as jungling 100% armor yellows on everyone. For magic tanks I like MR or spell pen reds, any quints, for ad caster junglers armor pen red ad quints (i class olaf and lee sin in here), for autoattacker ad junglers attack speed red, ad quints (yi, xin, etc). Used to run attack speed quints, switched over to AD quints as they are just much better overall, more stats. The difference is very noticable. ASpd Reds + Armor Pen quints should be a greater damage increase in jungle than ASpd Reds + AD quints for autoattack junglers. Going 12 armor -> 0 armor is a 12% increase in physical damage taken, and AD quints provide 6.75 AD--roughly equal damage increase at level 1 for most junglers, and the Armor Pen scales in effectiveness as your AD increases. On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot. Strictly speaking, Armor Pen is the "highest-efficiency" stat to get because of how comparatively hard to itemize it is while still being a multiplicative damage stat, especially if you're not hitting the 12 Armor Pen soft-cap vs jungle creeps. I can't think of any autoattack-based jungler that I would not try to hit 12 armor pen on (though that 12 armor pen might come from a mix of runes and masteries--for example using 10 armor pen + 10 AD on Lee Sin with 21/0/9 masteries). Though I would run more than 12 on many junglers (e.g. Olaf can run 25 armor pen because he's already ridiculously fast in jungle, and can just rune for midgame/ganking damage). On August 21 2011 16:23 Craton wrote: I have been very happy with Dodge yellows for jungling. I couldn't feel any dropoff from flat armor, but they scale into lategame much better. Depends on the jungler. Some have great dodge synergy (Udyr), while others have antisynergy that actually affects their damage in jungle (Rammus, Amumu), and many don't really care. | ||
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