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ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
August 21 2011 04:28 GMT
#1761
Easy champs that are fairly cheap:
Annie
Ashe
Ryze
Soraka
Xin (is he cheap?)
Ww

These champs give you a wide range of character types as well.
Derp
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 05:09:54
August 21 2011 05:09 GMT
#1762
Xin is 3k iirc

I wouldn't call Ryze easy, either. His farming is one of the hardest for awhile.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 21 2011 05:45 GMT
#1763
Ugh, why wont Nocturne come down in price? I want an AD jungler, and he'd be my choice but he's still max IP price. I might have to cave and buy him though.

I don't want Udyr or GP, so that cuts down on some jungle options. I haven't seen much of Jarvan lately, did he get nerfed recently?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 21 2011 05:49 GMT
#1764
Yi is a really good jungler for solo queue.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 05:53:01
August 21 2011 05:52 GMT
#1765
Nocturne was released rather recently when compared to the champs that they're lowering the prices of.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 21 2011 05:54 GMT
#1766
Trundle is a really good AD jungler. Olaf isn't much loved these days but you can still carry with him fine in solo queue.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 21 2011 06:10 GMT
#1767
i'd suck it up and buy nocturne. he's like the best jungler imoimoimo. high carry potential for noob games and has great impact on the game when played properly. also has potential for ganking warded lanes and zomgwtfbbqicantseeshit
cool beans
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 06:19:12
August 21 2011 06:19 GMT
#1768
i bought noc recently and i suck competely with him, no idea wtf i need to do :D
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 06:27:40
August 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#1769
On August 21 2011 13:08 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 08:59 -Zoda- wrote:
I personnaly am puzzled between waiting to have 6300 IP to buy an expensive champion (I'm looking for Lee Sin) or buy some cheaper champions (poppy+cho+karma maybe) and start saving for runes.

Unless you have played something on a free week and really liked them, don't go out of you way to buy anything past 3k when you're still starting out.

Get a few cheap champions and play whats free and work on some basic rune sets.

Reds - Armor Pen (205), Magic Pen (205)
Yellows - Flat Armor (205), Mana regen per 5 (205)
Blues - Magic Resist per level (205), AP per level (410?)
Quints - Armor Pen (1025), Flat AP (1025), Flat HP (optional; 2050)

Once you get all of those (excluding maybe flat HP), you have a reasonable rune set for almost any champion. Go ahead and get more champs from there, but eventually you want to expand your rune pages.

Reds - AD
Yellows - Dodge
Blues - Flat CDR, Flat Magic Resist
Quints - Flat HP, Movement Speed

There is a decent attack speed one, but I forget which. There are some other runes out there that have uses, like yellow HP per level or mana runes for Ryze, but you can really go without them.


mostly good, with some exceptions, mp5 runes are considered purely a crutch except in some extreme cases, so i wouldn't recommend getting used to them. Typically for mres blues, you want flat if you're laning and scaling if you're jungling. Since most low lvl ppl aren't jungling too much, i would go for flats. i wouldnt recommend dodge yellows, super niche imo.

Attack speed usually is either reds or quints for junglers, and sometimes yellows. I usually run mixed quints for my jungling, but idk what most ppl do. I've actually been running more and more mixed runes. getting joug-itis i guess.

edit: ah yeah, and most ppl seem to be running ad and apen for quints and reds, pick one or the other, so either red apens + ad quints or ad reds + apen quints. I think most ppl prefer the former
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 21 2011 06:33 GMT
#1770
On August 21 2011 15:25 barbsq wrote:
edit: ah yeah, and most ppl seem to be running ad and apen for quints and reds, pick one or the other, so either red apens + ad quints or ad reds + apen quints. I think most ppl prefer the former

If you're going to run a mix of ad and arpen on your quints and reds, you should use AD quints because they're more efficient. Arpen quint = 2 arpen reds. AD quint = more than 2 flat AD reds.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 06:39:43
August 21 2011 06:37 GMT
#1771
as far as jungling 100% armor yellows on everyone. For magic tanks I like MR or spell pen reds, any quints, for ad caster junglers armor pen red ad quints (i class olaf and lee sin in here), for autoattacker ad junglers attack speed red, ad quints (yi, xin, etc). Used to run attack speed quints, switched over to AD quints as they are just much better overall, more stats. The difference is very noticable.

I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 07:17:44
August 21 2011 07:09 GMT
#1772
On August 21 2011 09:17 Shikyo wrote:
For a good melee champion for a beginner I'd suggest nasus, he's going to crush everyone who doesn't know how to deal with him(everyone below 30)

Ah tried out Nasus since he was a cheap suggestion, will try the others when I have more points. Was intimidated by his need to last hit everything, but read some guides and watched someone play him and did well. 16/4 even though we lost still a fun guy to use.

I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was.

Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are
Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles
Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero
Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do
Then finally PvP with hero.

Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 07:27:22
August 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1773
On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
as far as jungling 100% armor yellows on everyone. For magic tanks I like MR or spell pen reds, any quints, for ad caster junglers armor pen red ad quints (i class olaf and lee sin in here), for autoattacker ad junglers attack speed red, ad quints (yi, xin, etc). Used to run attack speed quints, switched over to AD quints as they are just much better overall, more stats. The difference is very noticable.

I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot.

I have been very happy with Dodge yellows for jungling. I couldn't feel any dropoff from flat armor, but they scale into lategame much better.

On August 21 2011 16:09 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was.

Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are
Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles
Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero
Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do
Then finally PvP with hero.

Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots.

I watch a lot of streams, so most of the time I have seen something played and try to emulate what worked. Guides are useful to see common items built for the champion. You're better off ignoring standard mobafire guides (99% of the time they're far too squishy) and looking for ones written by high Elo players (Mobafire does have a separate section for this and Solomid has some as well).

There are a lot of VoDs floating around between CLG, Solomid, Tournies, and some misc. streamers.
twitch.tv/cratonz
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 21 2011 07:26 GMT
#1774
On August 21 2011 16:09 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 09:17 Shikyo wrote:
For a good melee champion for a beginner I'd suggest nasus, he's going to crush everyone who doesn't know how to deal with him(everyone below 30)

Ah tried out Nasus since he was a cheap suggestion, will try the others when I have more points. Was intimidated by his need to last hit everything, but read some guides and watched someone play him and did well. 16/4 even though we lost still a fun guy to use.

I'm also kind of curious what other people do to prepare to play a new hero. Besides asking for suggestions here it was.

Read the wiki on hero finding on what their abilities are
Read guides finding out the items builds and play styles
Watch a video of someone actually playing the hero
Play co-op vs bots just to feel what the ability do
Then finally PvP with hero.

Not sure what more I could do expect have a coach with me lol. Though some prep is because I have no idea what a lot of heroes do because I was playing vs bots.



just play normal games and learn that way.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 21 2011 09:16 GMT
#1775
so i play Warwick. im so baffled at his stupid sustain. im just afk farming the entire game but thats what costed us the game :s.. Im so use to playing carries that since warwick had such amazing sustain, i remained idle most of the time because i had the i can do w/e i want mentality.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Sponge75
Profile Joined May 2011
England194 Posts
August 21 2011 09:35 GMT
#1776
Any idea what rune page Hotshot is running on Jax? Atm i'm using Dodge yellows, mr/lvl blues, then arp reds + quints but only because i'm not really sure what to buy.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
August 21 2011 09:44 GMT
#1777
On August 21 2011 18:35 Sponge75 wrote:
Any idea what rune page Hotshot is running on Jax? Atm i'm using Dodge yellows, mr/lvl blues, then arp reds + quints but only because i'm not really sure what to buy.

not hotshot runes but u should be running
flat ad reds and quints
dodge yellows
flat mr blues
i wish riot would give me better ping
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#1778
On August 21 2011 14:09 Craton wrote:
I wouldn't call Ryze easy, either. His farming is one of the hardest for awhile.

Just like Annie, his autoattck animation is so fucking slow. Then you can last hit with Q but Annie's one doesn't cost Mana...
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NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
August 21 2011 10:21 GMT
#1779
lolol dyrus stream too good.
1800's, no jungle game, playing revive/tele blitzstar with 3 in bot lane. wtf.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 11:42:14
August 21 2011 11:27 GMT
#1780
On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
as far as jungling 100% armor yellows on everyone. For magic tanks I like MR or spell pen reds, any quints, for ad caster junglers armor pen red ad quints (i class olaf and lee sin in here), for autoattacker ad junglers attack speed red, ad quints (yi, xin, etc). Used to run attack speed quints, switched over to AD quints as they are just much better overall, more stats. The difference is very noticable.

ASpd Reds + Armor Pen quints should be a greater damage increase in jungle than ASpd Reds + AD quints for autoattack junglers. Going 12 armor -> 0 armor is a 12% increase in physical damage taken, and AD quints provide 6.75 AD--roughly equal damage increase at level 1 for most junglers, and the Armor Pen scales in effectiveness as your AD increases.

On August 21 2011 15:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't worry about getting the specific armor pen values that are best vs creeps etc, I just want the most efficiency per slot.

Strictly speaking, Armor Pen is the "highest-efficiency" stat to get because of how comparatively hard to itemize it is while still being a multiplicative damage stat, especially if you're not hitting the 12 Armor Pen soft-cap vs jungle creeps.

I can't think of any autoattack-based jungler that I would not try to hit 12 armor pen on (though that 12 armor pen might come from a mix of runes and masteries--for example using 10 armor pen + 10 AD on Lee Sin with 21/0/9 masteries). Though I would run more than 12 on many junglers (e.g. Olaf can run 25 armor pen because he's already ridiculously fast in jungle, and can just rune for midgame/ganking damage).

On August 21 2011 16:23 Craton wrote:
I have been very happy with Dodge yellows for jungling. I couldn't feel any dropoff from flat armor, but they scale into lategame much better.

Depends on the jungler. Some have great dodge synergy (Udyr), while others have antisynergy that actually affects their damage in jungle (Rammus, Amumu), and many don't really care.
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