[Discussion] Dominion - Page 34

On October 21 2011 06:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
Somehow, I think ward control is just as important on dominion as it is on SR. Once you cap 3 turrets and have the speed boosts warded, it's really hard for the enemy team to backdoor or outnumber.

On October 21 2011 06:33 Novalisk wrote:


And that's why wards don't exist in dominion.

On October 21 2011 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:
hmm, im thinking cv now

On October 22 2011 02:22 Eiii wrote:


And that's why cv is disabled in dominion.

On October 24 2011 00:31 Tooplark wrote:
I run Revive Ghost Olaf usually
with armor pen reds, armor yellows, flat cdr blues, and movespeed quints
8/1/21
Open Brutalizer -> Ghostblade
you can get away with not starting boots because of the movespeed from utility tree and runes.
you also can outdamage pretty much anyone in the starting fight.
You begin with 30 armor pen, +25 AD, and 34% CDR
If you swap out the MS quints for armor pen and go 11/1/18 or something you hit 46 armor pen
If you swap out the MS quints for flat CDR you hit 39% CDR. At the start of the game. IMBA.

On October 22 2011 01:43 Southlight wrote:
I don't mind Kog but Rammus is indeed rather broken. I don't mind him in blind pick but yea.

I have bigger issues with Karthus hahah.

Edit:
Appropriately, hating on Karthus was the 666th reply.

On October 24 2011 02:09 Tooplark wrote:
It's amazing for fighting top. Just burst down anyone standing in front of you.
QWQWQRQEQ R>Q>E>W
After that build force of atmogs and maybe a randuins

I have a replay of me getting a quadra kill in the top teamfight somewhere but I can't find it. (So close to a penta!)

On October 24 2011 06:12 Southlight wrote:
mufin, what ends up being the case is that Rammus is broken but most people don't play him well. Being able to grab a tower and then come back to 4v4 because he has great speed is absurd. He'll frequently cause numeric mismatches because he's so fast. He literally can sneak off to grab a tower and then come back and 4v4 or 2v1 bot without a hitch.

Hey folks,

With Dominion having been out for awhile, and people now getting pretty used to it, we've had a chance to see how it's played out with thousands and thousands of players. We're happy with a lot of aspects with Dominion, but we think we can do some pretty major work to make significant improvements as well.

Our diagnosis currently is that there are three major hinderences that make Dominion less fun or interesting than it could be. First off;

* Players don't get enough "moments of glory", and don't easily see how their success can effect the game.

Progression and personal success are hallmarks of MOBA in general. In our effort to make a balanced experience strategically, we really lowered the ability for that one in twenty matches players get to experience "running away with the game" and feel like they achieved epic status. We feel this is creating some disconnect between the high highs classic can provide, and the more constant but metered pace of Dominion. We will be focusing systems that allow more (gold, specifically) power differential between players.

Next up;

* Comeback mechanics remove interesting team-level decision-making.

Our internal testing created some situations we felt this was mandatory. In practice, we think either an extremely toned-down version of this system or a removal of these systems needs to take place. This means games will be more representative of a team's skill, but you'll also experience more blow-out games. Our assertion is, generally, you can't achieve a decisive victory if you can't have extreme losses either, and that's needed to make a more memorable and deep experience.

Finally;

* A few champions are way too good on Dominion

This is actually the most surface-level thing, and is fixed when we adjust with the other aforementioned systems. To summarize, this is caused by the certainty of progression, where hyper-scaling champions can reach a late game, farmed state with certainty. Addressing that will address most of the specific egregious champion issues.

Dominion is something we think is really fun, and are proud to have put out, and that's all the more reason for us to ensure it receives continued support and major changes where needed. We feel OK being very disruptive to Dominion in the pre-season phase, and will likely be more conservative when Ranked is turned on. This is our (developers and players!) best opportunity to improve Dominion on some fundamental levels, and we're not going to miss it.

- Morello