EPTMaybe it's just the support player in me, but I can't stand this format. I think the gold gain needs to be nuked even more significantly and gold to be earned from capping points increased. At least then it would promote teamwork more than 1:1 hero trades to get carries more farmed.
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Maybe it's just the support player in me, but I can't stand this format. I think the gold gain needs to be nuked even more significantly and gold to be earned from capping points increased. At least then it would promote teamwork more than 1:1 hero trades to get carries more farmed. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:29 deth2munkies wrote: Am I the only one who thinks a carry dominated wankfest is a bad idea for the game? Maybe it's just the support player in me, but I can't stand this format. I think the gold gain needs to be nuked even more significantly and gold to be earned from capping points increased. At least then it would promote teamwork more than 1:1 hero trades to get carries more farmed. 1:1 hero trades don't get you very farmed. If you cap a point solo you get as much as if you kill someone with no kill/deathstreak. Strong 1v1ers just control the center of the map and force opponents to travel in groups. Strong teamfighters are good for contesting top. It's somewhat assassin-dominated but not even that significantly. In fact, traditional ranged carries are probably the weakest on Dominion. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Also I find traditional ranged AD carry unbelievably necessary on Dom. They get farmed so goddamn fast and start mowing down stuff, while providing the best 2-man hold (along with a tank), good creep pushing (necessary for capping) and ye olde ranged poke. Trist is my #1 atm, although Twitch is up there too. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 19 2011 08:26 Southlight wrote: What the hell is consistent at bottom? The only hero I can consistently not getting fucked up in some way or other is Singed, but playing purely Singed bot lane gets slightly boring after a while. Every other so-called bot laner I feel like falls apart to good counterpicks/ganks. Edit: Also I find traditional ranged AD carry unbelievably necessary on Dom. They get farmed so goddamn fast and start mowing down stuff, while providing the best 2-man hold (along with a tank), good creep pushing (necessary for capping) and ye olde ranged poke. Trist is my #1 atm, although Twitch is up there too. Yup, recently discovered How good Tristana is at Dominion...stackin' those.....umm...forget the name. Bloodthirster replacements all day. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
But yea, that bot lane makes me go nuts. Maokai is probably consistent too but his early-game is pretty rough if they send someone else down for cheap ganks. Instantly dies. Edit: On Twitch I open Zerker Greaves, either LS for Light or another Dagger for Cleaver, and some heal pots. Fun stuff :> On Ezzy I just open Sheen no Boots, huehue. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On October 19 2011 08:36 Southlight wrote: I don't even just stack them, I just go Sanguin Blade -> Black Cleaver/Lightbringer -> IE -> Last Whisper, hahah. So good. But yea, that bot lane makes me go nuts. Maokai is probably consistent too but his early-game is pretty rough if they send someone else down for cheap ganks. Instantly dies. Edit: On Twitch I open Zerker Greaves, either LS for Light or another Dagger for Cleaver, and some heal pots. Fun stuff :> On Ezzy I just open Sheen no Boots, huehue. My favorite bot lanes are Galio and Gragas. I also saw a yorick doing decently. You just need to know when to push and when to back off. | ||
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KaoReal
Canada340 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On October 19 2011 08:26 Southlight wrote: What the hell is consistent at bottom? The only hero I can consistently not getting fucked up in some way or other is Singed, but playing purely Singed bot lane gets slightly boring after a while. Every other so-called bot laner I feel like falls apart to good counterpicks/ganks. Falling apart to good ganks is more of a team problem rather than an individual character problem. If the only way to make a character fall apart is with good ganks then that character is a good bot laner. For my money I would stick Heimerdinger down there. Haven't found anyone that can keep him away pre-level 6, and if I'm laning against someone who does crap on me after getting their ultimate I just switch out. | ||
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KaoReal
Canada340 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:29 Scamp wrote: Falling apart to good ganks is more of a team problem rather than an individual character problem. If the only way to make a character fall apart is with good ganks then that character is a good bot laner. For my money I would stick Heimerdinger down there. Haven't found anyone that can keep him away pre-level 6, and if I'm laning against someone who does crap on me after getting their ultimate I just switch out. Cassiopeia gives Heimerdinger some serious problems in my experience. She's my go-to counter-pick when I see him. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:23 KaoReal wrote: Maokai is probably my most consistently reliable bottom laner. Teemo does surprisingly well, too. He can trade well vs almost anyone if you play right, and right around the time someone could start overwhelming you with minions, you get your shrooms to push back. It isn't very exciting, but I do feel like he fills the role rather well. I'm not sure why he does, but I don't think I've lost bottom lane yet with him. It feels sort of wasteful to keep him in bottom lane all game because of move quick not getting much use, but you can get decent shroom coverage if you harass the opposing bot laner enough to buy you some free time. What build do you run on solo bot Mao? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Ionian Boots->Sheen->Sunfire Cape->Force of Nature->Frozen Heart or Thornmail (game usually ends at this point) While running defensive masteries and runes (side from armor penetration marks/quints). Gives you enough to damage to be a threat by yourself when defending points, but more importantly you can survive teamfights pretty well and can punt people constantly. Gives your carries a much, much easier time. Also important is that fact you can truck around to all the points pretty quickly. You can also gank bottom and if they're not expecting you get a very easy kill and cap. Also, Blitzcrank/Karthus is a pretty lulz combination. It's like no one can touch Karthus because if they get anywhere near him you can pull them into his aura, and an extra second of free damage when you punt them into the air makes a world of difference. The few games my friend and I have run this have been a complete stompfest. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:29 Scamp wrote: Falling apart to good ganks is more of a team problem rather than an individual character problem. If the only way to make a character fall apart is with good ganks then that character is a good bot laner. For my money I would stick Heimerdinger down there. Haven't found anyone that can keep him away pre-level 6, and if I'm laning against someone who does crap on me after getting their ultimate I just switch out. Yep. A defender's role is to: 1. Defend bot/top from one champion in a sustainable fashion. 2. Push bot/top if it's safe. 3. Help big team fights in the center. 4. Delay bot/top capture for as long as possible against multiple champions. You can only delay multiple champs for so long, and at a certain point it becomes your teammates responsibility to help you out. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I am, however, thinking long and hard about actually just running a 3-2 split and sending two bot from the get-go, with a proper thought-out duo setup bot (Soraka + burst AD?) to wreck bottom lane and force an inferior 2v2. People tend to design teams around 4-1 but there's an eventuality of a 3-2 split anyways, 2 man bot is simply more stable, and if you design around 3v3 and 2v2 you can get an advantage over a team that designed around 4-1 IMO. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On October 21 2011 02:32 Southlight wrote: The problem is that it's all well to theorycraft on being able to hold off multiple people, but against certain heroes if you get ganked and bot and die, it takes the whole house to re-take the tower. It's why I feel there's a premium on heroes that can ganked and at least hang on for dear life. Due to the lack of vision it's really hard to pre-emptively ready for a gank. I am, however, thinking long and hard about actually just running a 3-2 split and sending two bot from the get-go, with a proper thought-out duo setup bot (Soraka + burst AD?) to wreck bottom lane and force an inferior 2v2. People tend to design teams around 4-1 but there's an eventuality of a 3-2 split anyways, 2 man bot is simply more stable, and if you design around 3v3 and 2v2 you can get an advantage over a team that designed around 4-1 IMO. If you blindly send two people bot at the start, you risk losing top. The best strategy from my theory-crafting point of view is: 1. At the start: Send one defender bot, one defender top, two champions with synergy top, one fast champion mid. 2. If you see two enemies capping bot at the start, send the mid champion to help bot after he caps. Otherwise, he'll help take top which is usually the case. 3. Set one defender top and one defender bot, while the other 3 champions coordinate ganks from center(ambushing shrines is a good idea), helping bot/top as needed. 4. If you get enough ganks, push lanes. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Yorick is okay but he dies to ganks and then can't re-claim, so IMO he's got the same problem as a lot of other solos. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On October 21 2011 05:58 Southlight wrote: You lose bot but you can push down their bot and force 3v3 2v2. Alternatively if you know you're sending a second bot you can do 5hit's patented cap mid then go bot with the solo, cap top with 4, and then shift to 3/3 2/2. The early game rarely matters anyways. Edit: Yorick is okay but he dies to ganks and then can't re-claim, so IMO he's got the same problem as a lot of other solos. Galio is seriously the best bot ever. Can hold off minions indefinitely. Can survive dives quite well. Can interrupt caps. Can retake with ult if he loses bot. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On October 21 2011 06:01 Tooplark wrote: Galio is seriously the best bot ever. Can hold off minions indefinitely. Can survive dives quite well. Can interrupt caps. Can retake with ult if he loses bot. My current favorite bot is Nunu. His Q gives great sustain in lane, W is great on Dominion period(movement buff), E gives you poke(great for bot) and a slow(great on dominion), and if all else fails you have a great ulti for defense and teamfights. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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