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United States3216 Posts
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
I KNOW MORE HIGH ELO CUNTS THAN ALL U TL NOOBS COMBINED HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE KOREA ES #1 | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 07 2011 09:49 locodoco wrote: if we're gonna play the name drop game.................... I KNOW MORE HIGH ELO CUNTS THAN ALL U TL NOOBS COMBINED HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE KOREA ES #1 asian boy advantage. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
1) Janna has two strengths vs other supports in my opinion: better team fighting and the ability to be more aggressive early game. To be successful as blah + Janna in bottom, I think you need your "blah" to be something that allows you to be aggressive. For example, I played as Trist/Taric vs Ashe/Janna yesterday and the Ashe/Janna just didn't really have a chance of winning that matchup because Ashe can't play aggressive early. 2) I think your "blah" also has to be smart enough to realize that since you can't heal, they're going to need to buy more potions than normal. If I'm laning with a Janna I generally open something like Boots + 3 pots because if I can't heal myself I'm going to get harassed out of lane by level 2. Janna is most effective when you can max your W instead of your shield and your lane partner being smart enough to buy potions helps with this. 3) As to when to use shield, I think there are 3 major times when it's useful. Firstly, if the opponent has some kind of harass skill that they're spamming that you can help block some damage from. The most obvious example of this is Zilean's time bomb. Secondly, if you or your lane partner is trying to be aggressive. Shielding yourself and then dropping W + autoattacks + Q on an enemy is a great harassment technique on Janna. Finally, for the shield is really useful for sieging/defending towers. Don't cast it every time it's up because you'll run yourself out of mana to do anything useful (e.g., Tornado when the opponent tries to someone). | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 07 2011 08:17 TheYango wrote: I'm guessing that given r33k's past dislike of Aegis, his problem is with getting Aegis, not Philo. Who knows. r33k lives in an alternate dimension where his version of LoL is different from everyone else's -- it's about the only explanation I can think of to explain his posts. Maybe he's just trying to replace Caller as resident troll? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:27 gtrsrs wrote: My two cents in Janna was what arnath posted. Janna is not an attrition support. You cannot an will not win a lane if you just try to hold out. You must be playing with someone who can use the AD from shield more than the damage block. Early levels should be you shieldig yourself, autoing their carry to draw aggro, and blasting them with w so your partner can harass too. Later levels are you shielding your lanemate who can better use the shield's AD. Want to play passive? Go soraka. What are you talking about? Those bananas do SO much damage  | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
anyway does Jax have the 1.0 AD scaling in the current tourney build? Im curious why he is so popular right now. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
No, for real. Is Karma really that good or do people just plain suck vs her? Her E range is just too troll, punish autoattacks on creeps all day huehuehuehue. Pushes/Farms like no one else (I think she farms at like singed speed without ever missing a single creep) and I have yet to lose a lane with her. wtf, for real. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
ofc most players dont actually know the reason why she wasnt played and are stuck with "karma is bad", until next patch where she gets buffed and then "out of the blue" goes from viable to really strong. (but for them from useless to really strong) And then they blame riot for not balancing properly when the real problem is riot patching too often. :D | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Hey, I'm just saying how I feel as a support enthusiast. Shurelia obviously feels different about support, but some of the other designers agree that buying items is really fun. Lux has non-sustain **** to do - she camps brush and anti-camps brush like a boss, arguably better than Janna. She doesn't need to use summoner spells to escape most ganks. A carry with bf+pickaxe + support with BW COULD beat a support with nothing and a carry with IE, especially if the support with the wand scales well. When a support is actually capable of cleaning up a fight instead of running when the carry dies, it creates interesting tradeoffs. I know that's not how it currently is, but I'm saying I feel like that's how it SHOULD be. I absolutely hate the idea that supports should be competing with their lane partners for farm. I hate hate hate it. For me, duo laning when both laners want farm is a miserable experience. I don't want to compete with my lane partner for cs, it makes you push and it's antagonistic. The whole "I'll take ranged and you take melee" thing doesn't work very well either, for a number of reasons. Basically the problem is that there are only four sources of farm in the game (four lanes + the jungle) and five players. Unless one player is willing to go without CS somebody will end up fighting somebody else on their team for gold. I was happy when roaming came along because it removed this problem. I'm happy with the current meta, despite it's passivity, because it also doesn't have this problem. I'm not going to be at all happy if there's a 40% chance I'll end up in a double farm lane because every champ that doesn't need gold gets remade so they do. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:11 UniversalSnip wrote: oh god I absolutely hate the idea that supports should be competing with their lane partners for farm. I hate hate hate it. For me, duo laning when both laners want farm is a miserable experience. I don't want to compete with my lane partner for cs, it makes you push and it's antagonistic. The whole "I'll take ranged and you take melee" thing doesn't work very well either, for a number of reasons. Basically the problem is that there are only four sources of farm in the game (four lanes + the jungle) and five players. Unless one player is willing to go without CS somebody will end up fighting somebody else on their team for gold. I was happy when roaming came along because it removed this problem. I'm happy with the current meta, despite it's passivity, because it also doesn't have this problem. I'm not going to be at all happy if there's a 40% chance I'll end up in a double farm lane because every champ that doesn't need gold gets remade so they do. I liked how after I pointed out that 40 extra AP isn't going to make a difference compared to 25% Crit Rate and 250% crit damage he didn't respond a second time. Still sad that he and more importantly actual design staff at Riot think that way. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4690 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3904/penta.png) Man, Singed is tooooo fun. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:11 UniversalSnip wrote: I was happy when roaming came along because it removed this problem. I'm happy with the current meta, despite it's passivity, because it also doesn't have this problem. I'm not going to be at all happy if there's a 40% chance I'll end up in a double farm lane because every champ that doesn't need gold gets remade so they do. I don't think that will be a problem. If the current supports become too farm-dependent,then people will move on to the next most farm-independent champs. If Janna needs 2000 gold to do her job, it's not going to make the carry delay IE by 2000 gold, it's just going to make people stop playing Janna. The difference between the strength of the support options in the game just isn't that large. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
people will either put her mid over "standard" AP and take a different support for bot (basically, like how people play karma) or just keep playing her without farm and considering anything else they pick up a bonus. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:52 TheYango wrote: I don't think that will be a problem. If the current supports become too farm-dependent,then people will move on to the next most farm-independent champs. If Janna needs 2000 gold to do her job, it's not going to make the carry delay IE by 2000 gold, it's just going to make people stop playing Janna. The difference between the strength of the support options in the game just isn't that large. I'm not worried about current supports as much as the direction Riot team has generally gone with them. I mean, the last one they made was Sona while telling us Lux and Karma were even though their kits screams stack AP and go another lane. And even Sona isn't ideal for no farm bot lane, it's just her kit's so strong you can do it. I wish Riot would just accept that farm independent supports are the way to go and design around that. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4690 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On August 07 2011 13:32 hasuprotoss wrote: The problem with supports in the current meta is that 1/5 of the players in a game are bored out of their freakin' minds. That's more of a problem that Soraka makes doing any harass or anything irrelevant. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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