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Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 24 2011 22:15 GMT
#401
over half of the last set of cases i got were people being reported in bot games for leaving....

i'm pretty sure it's possible to 1v5 bots, so wtf...?
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 24 2011 23:26 GMT
#402
Some people just play bot games for a free win of the day, but most actually are just super tryhard bads, many of which trying new champs. Seriously, I've gotten more tryhards in bot games than in ranked. lol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Gandling
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom126 Posts
June 24 2011 23:33 GMT
#403
Kill Steal everyone in bot games that get mejas, so much fun. :D
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
June 25 2011 06:35 GMT
#404
Ah well, deleted all the cookies related to the eu site and it's working now. So, if anyone else has the same problem (probably not), try that.
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
June 25 2011 17:07 GMT
#405
Slayton106 [02:35:15]: sorry jarv went back to help your friend....
AntiFragxD [02:35:30]: no is my friend
AntiFragxD [02:35:36]: is my girldfriend
AntiFragxD [02:35:45]: ...
AntiFragxD [02:35:54]: jarvan is women

Wat.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#406
called me several names during the game, because i was intentionally feeding my score 0/38/0 - during champ select i told them what chars i was going to play and they banned them and did it for fun, so i fed on purpose
Offensive Language

I don't know what to think about this, really.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
June 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#407
"Intentionally feeding
"My Dearest Tribunal, On this fine morning of June, we witnessed an enemy combatant displaying unsportsmanlike conduct on the battlefield. The party in question proceeded to offer himself as a sacrifice to our gods on 17 occations. While this did please our gods verily, it proved to be an uneven match, one unworthy of competition. I hearby declare said feeder a SCOUNDREL, and request the Tribunal's merciless justice upon his firey corpse. Good Day. ""

Oh my...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 29 2011 13:03 GMT
#408
Btw I guess I could bring this up here.

I don't think Tribunal is a good idea at all. In most games whenever someone says something someone doesn't like, or don't listen to them etc, it's an instant report. People report for picking / not picking certain champions, summoner spells, item builds and such. People also report for intentional feeding even if the person might just be a bad player.

Riot bans for 1 day as a warning(meaning that they don't even send a warning first) for recieving enough reports without even reviewing the case. Almost anyone who plays say, 10-20 games a day is going to be reported multiple times, especially if they like playing solo AP Janna or solo AP Soraka or AP Tristana or Yorick or Tank Yi and other things like that.

Since the arrival of Tribunal, people argue alot more, and many people report others for even very poor reasons.

What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I think that the system is bad, doesn't work properly, and should be removed. I don't think we want to see half out playerbase banned.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 29 2011 13:33 GMT
#409
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
June 29 2011 13:57 GMT
#410
Dunno , since implementation of Tribunal i find my game to go on mutch calmer and ppl rage only when see some1 bluntly suicide. Also i must thnx to Tribunal for some of the moust hilarious cases of human actions so far .
LoL making ppl rage since 2010
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 29 2011 14:04 GMT
#411
On June 29 2011 22:33 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.

What claim? That people grind IP with tribunal? Read general forums or something
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
June 29 2011 14:14 GMT
#412
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
Btw I guess I could bring this up here.

I don't think Tribunal is a good idea at all. In most games whenever someone says something someone doesn't like, or don't listen to them etc, it's an instant report. People report for picking / not picking certain champions, summoner spells, item builds and such. People also report for intentional feeding even if the person might just be a bad player.

Riot bans for 1 day as a warning(meaning that they don't even send a warning first) for recieving enough reports without even reviewing the case. Almost anyone who plays say, 10-20 games a day is going to be reported multiple times, especially if they like playing solo AP Janna or solo AP Soraka or AP Tristana or Yorick or Tank Yi and other things like that.

Since the arrival of Tribunal, people argue alot more, and many people report others for even very poor reasons.

What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I think that the system is bad, doesn't work properly, and should be removed. I don't think we want to see half out playerbase banned.

Well that's bullshit, I've had at least 30-40 reports since the tribunal started. While none of them have been for flaming (Ie just having a shout contest) I havn't recieved a single 1 day ban.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#413
On June 29 2011 23:04 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:33 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.

What claim? That people grind IP with tribunal? Read general forums or something

Because there is a direct correlation between random posts you find on some forum and the people who actually use the Tribunal? Is everyone forced to give a short recap about his last tribunal session each time?

In the end every single ban is done manually, and if Riot finds that the Tribunal doesn't reduce the amount of work for them they will shut it down. Which would be the case if the majority would just mindlessly hit punish because then Riot would end up having to check every single case manually anyways.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 14:29:23
June 29 2011 14:16 GMT
#414
On June 29 2011 23:15 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:04 Shikyo wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:33 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.

What claim? That people grind IP with tribunal? Read general forums or something

Because there is a direct correlation between random posts you find on some forum and the people who actually use the Tribunal? Is everyone forced to give a short recap about his last tribunal session each time?

In the end every single ban is done manually, and if Riot finds that the Tribunal doesn't reduce the amount of work for them they will shut it down. Which would be the case if the majority would just mindlessly hit punish because then Riot would end up having to check every single case manually anyways.

But every ban isn't done manually, as I said you get banned for 1 day by just getting enough reports, those cases aren't even reviewed at that point.

They only review the cases for permaban or large bans. Or do you have some info from riot that contradicts this?

Also,

[image loading]

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=270867

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=37420&d=1309262383

Seriously?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
June 29 2011 14:48 GMT
#415
On June 29 2011 23:16 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:15 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:04 Shikyo wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:33 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.

What claim? That people grind IP with tribunal? Read general forums or something

Because there is a direct correlation between random posts you find on some forum and the people who actually use the Tribunal? Is everyone forced to give a short recap about his last tribunal session each time?

In the end every single ban is done manually, and if Riot finds that the Tribunal doesn't reduce the amount of work for them they will shut it down. Which would be the case if the majority would just mindlessly hit punish because then Riot would end up having to check every single case manually anyways.

But every ban isn't done manually, as I said you get banned for 1 day by just getting enough reports, those cases aren't even reviewed at that point.

They only review the cases for permaban or large bans. Or do you have some info from riot that contradicts this?

Also,

[image loading]

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=270867

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=37420&d=1309262383

Seriously?
While the is ofcourse just wild speculation, I can't possibly think that you everyone would just pardon me for all my reports. Infact if it is like you say I wouldn't be since you would just get people that punish punish punish. I'm very vocal in my games, I try to stear my team into victory, it's not something everyone can appriciate, I get at least one report a day. Shouldn't I've been banned by now?
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
June 29 2011 14:55 GMT
#416
Ah man I've already been banned twice, one day and 3 days. I hate the Tribunal. I'm a sad troll.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 15:12:08
June 29 2011 15:04 GMT
#417
On June 29 2011 23:55 -Kato- wrote:
Ah man I've already been banned twice, one day and 3 days. I hate the Tribunal. I'm a sad troll.

Yeah, one day and 3 days are first and second warning. No one in Riot has still even taken a look at your games to determine if you're violating their rules, it bans automatically for short amounts of time based on the amount of reports and yes-votes.

On June 29 2011 23:48 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:16 Shikyo wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:15 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:04 Shikyo wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:33 spinesheath wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:03 Shikyo wrote:
What makes this worse is that the Tribunal doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Most people don't even read the case they're given, they just click punish punish punish and grind out for IP. Most people also can't judge wether something requires a punishment or not - If they see bad scores like 1-10 or some relatively offensive language(no swearing, even mild insults), they're just going to punish.

I'm sure you have a reliable, independent, statistically relevant survery backing up this claim.

What claim? That people grind IP with tribunal? Read general forums or something

Because there is a direct correlation between random posts you find on some forum and the people who actually use the Tribunal? Is everyone forced to give a short recap about his last tribunal session each time?

In the end every single ban is done manually, and if Riot finds that the Tribunal doesn't reduce the amount of work for them they will shut it down. Which would be the case if the majority would just mindlessly hit punish because then Riot would end up having to check every single case manually anyways.

But every ban isn't done manually, as I said you get banned for 1 day by just getting enough reports, those cases aren't even reviewed at that point.

They only review the cases for permaban or large bans. Or do you have some info from riot that contradicts this?

Also,

[image loading]

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=270867

http://community-eu.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=37420&d=1309262383

Seriously?
While the is ofcourse just wild speculation, I can't possibly think that you everyone would just pardon me for all my reports. Infact if it is like you say I wouldn't be since you would just get people that punish punish punish. I'm very vocal in my games, I try to stear my team into victory, it's not something everyone can appriciate, I get at least one report a day. Shouldn't I've been banned by now?

I get reported by at least 5 people every game so as I've not been banned yet, you probably are safe.

EDIT: So just now I'm doing my first tribunal case, a 11-3-15 malzahar reported by his team for offensive language, I read the chat and he's basically complaining about his amumu not ganking and having no survivability, team suiciding in 4v5 etc. He's not swearing or anything, seems like standard stuff trying to lead the team etc.

LOL This same person has a second game where he went 26-0-4 and got reported for "Spamming". He only wrote one line the entire game, it was "./ignore all", most likely followed by the correct ignore all command.

And the IP grinders are going to vote yes to punish these people.


I can't believe that Riot wants us to either 1. /ignore all, be quiet and hope your team knows how to play or 2. Ask nicely all the time in the midst of battle, be extremely kind and polite at all times, talk like you were talking to your boss at work or something.

I don't get how this is reasonable to expect?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
June 29 2011 15:07 GMT
#418
So Shikyo, whats the next step for me? What if I get reported again and judged? Then Riot will check themselves? Or do I get like a FKIN 1 week ban or what?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 29 2011 15:15 GMT
#419
lol, Shikyo number 1 LoL troll.

They don't ban you immediately based on how many tribunal reports you get. If you get an extremely high percentage of yes intead of no, there might be an automated system.

Most of the time the "Yes" votes trigger a response for a customer service rep to view the case and decide if the player should be punished or not.

I've been banned for 3 days ONCE and I don't typically talk unnecessary shit but if you have a problem controlling your mouth (especially with racism) then you can consider yourself banned from this game in the eventual future.

If not, in my experience, it is very hard to get long bans if you don't deserve them.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 29 2011 15:24 GMT
#420
On June 30 2011 00:15 Phrost wrote:
lol, Shikyo number 1 LoL troll.

They don't ban you immediately based on how many tribunal reports you get. If you get an extremely high percentage of yes intead of no, there might be an automated system.

Most of the time the "Yes" votes trigger a response for a customer service rep to view the case and decide if the player should be punished or not.

I've been banned for 3 days ONCE and I don't typically talk unnecessary shit but if you have a problem controlling your mouth (especially with racism) then you can consider yourself banned from this game in the eventual future.

If not, in my experience, it is very hard to get long bans if you don't deserve them.

There always is an extremely high percentage of yes instead of no because most people use tribunal to farm IP, and if you've read general forums, most of the people on general ready are ready to give out bans to people who say stuff like "noobs" and such. Do you think a random 12 year old spoiled child should decide what happens with your account? Maybe if Tribunal had an age limit of 18 and you'd punish people who vote incorrectly it'd work.

And yeah you have been punished for 3 days despite not typically talking unnecessary shit, doesn't that prove my point zzz
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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