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On December 09 2010 23:29 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 12:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 08 2010 07:29 Frolossus wrote:On December 08 2010 07:27 Southlight wrote:
Really? Generally-speaking all the "decent" and "good" players around that elo have the same elo too. So do the bads, but that happens everywhere. As Brees mentioned some time ago, there're some "amazing" 1600s and some "terrible" 2000s. Does that mean the 1600 doesn't deserve his elo? It means that the 1600 plays better then his elo gives him credit for and the 2000 player got carried too much. You don't get to 2000 by getting carried. Straight up, if you think you are competing with the top what, 50 players in this game? because they got carried, you are wrong. 1600, yeah, you can get carried to. 1700? Maybe. Anything higher than that is skill, straight up. You might think a player is terrible because they had an off game, or maybe they just failed against you a few times, but 2000 ranked players are the top 0.001% of this game. They didn't get carried there. disagree, had a 2k player on my team that was only like 60-30 that rushed manamune on sivir (rofl) his end build was like manamune/zerker greaves/infinity edge. he didnt do anything useful the entire game. oh and SkiLLY. self explanatory. how he got 2k nobody will ever know. coincidentally hes already down to 1900, durp.
I don't know what his rating is but I thought I saw tree eskimo do this last night.
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On December 10 2010 01:01 Scorcher2k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 23:29 Brees wrote:On December 08 2010 12:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 08 2010 07:29 Frolossus wrote:On December 08 2010 07:27 Southlight wrote:
Really? Generally-speaking all the "decent" and "good" players around that elo have the same elo too. So do the bads, but that happens everywhere. As Brees mentioned some time ago, there're some "amazing" 1600s and some "terrible" 2000s. Does that mean the 1600 doesn't deserve his elo? It means that the 1600 plays better then his elo gives him credit for and the 2000 player got carried too much. You don't get to 2000 by getting carried. Straight up, if you think you are competing with the top what, 50 players in this game? because they got carried, you are wrong. 1600, yeah, you can get carried to. 1700? Maybe. Anything higher than that is skill, straight up. You might think a player is terrible because they had an off game, or maybe they just failed against you a few times, but 2000 ranked players are the top 0.001% of this game. They didn't get carried there. disagree, had a 2k player on my team that was only like 60-30 that rushed manamune on sivir (rofl) his end build was like manamune/zerker greaves/infinity edge. he didnt do anything useful the entire game. oh and SkiLLY. self explanatory. how he got 2k nobody will ever know. coincidentally hes already down to 1900, durp. I don't know what his rating is but I thought I saw tree eskimo do this last night.
its bad, she has no mana problems whatsoever
you either rush BTs and last whisper and get stacks asap or you rush warmog's and get stacks on that. depends on how well your team can protect you really.
no reason to get manamune over bf sword though
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I saw manamune, warmogs, atma's, bveil Sivir on my smurf last night. Too beast.
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Personally I consider Warmogs/Atmas to be my "oh shi- they have crazy burst" build as it gives you enough hp to make you relatively unburstable. Otherwise there really is little point in it over the BT-centric build.
You should have farmed a BF sword by the time minions spawn anyways ^^
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On December 09 2010 23:29 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 12:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 08 2010 07:29 Frolossus wrote:On December 08 2010 07:27 Southlight wrote:
Really? Generally-speaking all the "decent" and "good" players around that elo have the same elo too. So do the bads, but that happens everywhere. As Brees mentioned some time ago, there're some "amazing" 1600s and some "terrible" 2000s. Does that mean the 1600 doesn't deserve his elo? It means that the 1600 plays better then his elo gives him credit for and the 2000 player got carried too much. You don't get to 2000 by getting carried. Straight up, if you think you are competing with the top what, 50 players in this game? because they got carried, you are wrong. 1600, yeah, you can get carried to. 1700? Maybe. Anything higher than that is skill, straight up. You might think a player is terrible because they had an off game, or maybe they just failed against you a few times, but 2000 ranked players are the top 0.001% of this game. They didn't get carried there. disagree, had a 2k player on my team that was only like 60-30 that rushed manamune on sivir (rofl) his end build was like manamune/zerker greaves/infinity edge. he didnt do anything useful the entire game. oh and SkiLLY. self explanatory. how he got 2k nobody will ever know. coincidentally hes already down to 1900, durp.
I thought the only 2k rated players with under 100 games played were all jiji smurfs?
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On December 10 2010 01:14 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 01:01 Scorcher2k wrote:On December 09 2010 23:29 Brees wrote:On December 08 2010 12:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 08 2010 07:29 Frolossus wrote:On December 08 2010 07:27 Southlight wrote:
Really? Generally-speaking all the "decent" and "good" players around that elo have the same elo too. So do the bads, but that happens everywhere. As Brees mentioned some time ago, there're some "amazing" 1600s and some "terrible" 2000s. Does that mean the 1600 doesn't deserve his elo? It means that the 1600 plays better then his elo gives him credit for and the 2000 player got carried too much. You don't get to 2000 by getting carried. Straight up, if you think you are competing with the top what, 50 players in this game? because they got carried, you are wrong. 1600, yeah, you can get carried to. 1700? Maybe. Anything higher than that is skill, straight up. You might think a player is terrible because they had an off game, or maybe they just failed against you a few times, but 2000 ranked players are the top 0.001% of this game. They didn't get carried there. disagree, had a 2k player on my team that was only like 60-30 that rushed manamune on sivir (rofl) his end build was like manamune/zerker greaves/infinity edge. he didnt do anything useful the entire game. oh and SkiLLY. self explanatory. how he got 2k nobody will ever know. coincidentally hes already down to 1900, durp. I don't know what his rating is but I thought I saw tree eskimo do this last night. its bad, she has no mana problems whatsoever you either rush BTs and last whisper and get stacks asap or you rush warmog's and get stacks on that. depends on how well your team can protect you really. no reason to get manamune over bf sword though
Ah, that made me remember why I think... He was trying to lane against Malphite I think and was having mana issues because he hadn't remembered to switch his mp5 runes in. I can't say if that justifies it or not but that's what I remember.
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On December 10 2010 02:39 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 23:29 Brees wrote:On December 08 2010 12:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 08 2010 07:29 Frolossus wrote:On December 08 2010 07:27 Southlight wrote:
Really? Generally-speaking all the "decent" and "good" players around that elo have the same elo too. So do the bads, but that happens everywhere. As Brees mentioned some time ago, there're some "amazing" 1600s and some "terrible" 2000s. Does that mean the 1600 doesn't deserve his elo? It means that the 1600 plays better then his elo gives him credit for and the 2000 player got carried too much. You don't get to 2000 by getting carried. Straight up, if you think you are competing with the top what, 50 players in this game? because they got carried, you are wrong. 1600, yeah, you can get carried to. 1700? Maybe. Anything higher than that is skill, straight up. You might think a player is terrible because they had an off game, or maybe they just failed against you a few times, but 2000 ranked players are the top 0.001% of this game. They didn't get carried there. disagree, had a 2k player on my team that was only like 60-30 that rushed manamune on sivir (rofl) his end build was like manamune/zerker greaves/infinity edge. he didnt do anything useful the entire game. oh and SkiLLY. self explanatory. how he got 2k nobody will ever know. coincidentally hes already down to 1900, durp. I thought the only 2k rated players with under 100 games played were all jiji smurfs?
sxspp, he has 200 games played now. this was a while ago
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I'm still pissed that Bryden7 managed to crack 2K. That guy sucks.
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On December 10 2010 03:11 Mogwai wrote:
I'm still pissed that Bryden7 managed to crack 2K. That guy sucks.
Really irritates me whenever I see him on Eski's stream- kid never does anything but suck and shittalk.
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Ah yeah the curse of high Elo - people get less bad but more competitive. That kinda includes certain things...
I´d say the best way out of mediocre Elo is to play champs/styles that punish mediocre gameplay - mostly map awareness and lack of utilizing resources. Basically a jungler and/or Pusher.
Especially pushing is handy since very often noncompetitive players don´t get the idea that you only fight for a REASON. You should never attempt to kill a champion/champions for the sake of killing them. You need something that is more worth than just the bounty/XP - you could have farmed that at much lower risk. Taking a Tower, Rune, Dragon... something!
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On December 10 2010 03:11 Mogwai wrote:
I'm still pissed that Bryden7 managed to crack 2K. That guy sucks.
Oh man I still remember that game vs milkfat. Bryden goes all hurr durr I'll feed bot as Malz.
Oh and he spread that Malphite shit to low elo's by making a thread on the LoL forums, more reasons to hate him.
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I have a question for you high elos:
Who should I play if I want to get lots of kills and not too many deaths so that I can be like "WTF NOOBS L2P IM CARRY U SO HARD" and then blame them all post-game?
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On December 10 2010 11:43 Tooplark wrote:
I have a question for you high elos:
Who should I play if I want to get lots of kills and not too many deaths so that I can be like "WTF NOOBS L2P IM CARRY U SO HARD" and then blame them all post-game?
Poppy, Veigar... guys who go, "SURPRIZE BUTTSEHKS!" kill one dude and then saunter off for a few minutes waiting for their insta-gib CDs again.
or like, Kass/Shaco, and just pick off stragglers without ever putting yourself in real danger then escape with imba escape moves.
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On December 10 2010 12:07 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:43 Tooplark wrote:
I have a question for you high elos:
Who should I play if I want to get lots of kills and not too many deaths so that I can be like "WTF NOOBS L2P IM CARRY U SO HARD" and then blame them all post-game? Poppy, Veigar... guys who go, "SURPRIZE BUTTSEHKS!" kill one dude and then saunter off for a few minutes waiting for their insta-gib CDs again. or like, Kass/Shaco, and just pick off stragglers without ever putting yourself in real danger then escape with imba escape moves.
I like imba escape moves................. this quote just got me laughing with its sarcasm
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Shen gets into danger... and then gets out again with his imba escape moves.
9-2-14 can't get a win out of badjacob, badjacob's bad friend, BEAR badsq, and badcake. So bad.
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On December 11 2010 03:22 myopia wrote:
Shen gets into danger... and then gets out again with his imba escape moves.
9-2-14 can't get a win out of badjacob, badjacob's bad friend, BEAR badsq, and badcake. So bad.
you forgot badspiderland
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I prefer spiderbad or feederland
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This isn't about breaking 1600, but I feel it's applicable to this thread.
I'm currently sitting at 860 elo, yes 860 not 1860 with a ~40% winrate. I dinged 30 a few weeks ago, went on a losing streak at the start, dropped down to ~1000 and after that I've been slowly dropping. Winning some gmes but still losing more than I win. I feel like I have better decisionmaking and understanding of the game than my teammates but my mechanics are lacking. I can usually tell when we shouldnt fight or when someone makes a bad move but I feel like there's nothing i can do about it. If someone on my team initiates a 4v5 fight, which happens often, what can I do? I usually try to help out but stay safe enough to not die but safe enough that I'm not of much use. I usually try to play carries but I'm just not good enough to carry a bad team to a win. I've tried playing pushing champs and just push towers while the teams are dancing around in mid, what usually happens though is my team tries to fight without me and I'll get a tower or two but then my whole team dies and they can freepush much faster than I can and I can't really defend a tower alone vs. 3-4-5-however many of them survived the fight.
tl;dr: I feel like I'm better than my teammates but not good enough to carry a bad team, what to do?
It could just be my ego talking though and I'm just as bad as my teammates, a less than 50% winrate would suggest that, since statistically I should have as many good as bad teams.
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Train really, really hard in normals with good TL players. Tackle ranked when you can 1v5 a team of 800s.
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