EPTSeems like the bitter is strong itt, but I'll say she does seem pretty buggy in my limited experience with her.
I'm most interested in how the new AP items will work out though.
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s_side
United States700 Posts
Seems like the bitter is strong itt, but I'll say she does seem pretty buggy in my limited experience with her. I'm most interested in how the new AP items will work out though. | ||
suffeli
Finland772 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On January 06 2011 20:54 suffeli wrote: Trolololo... When in doubt build Tiamat. Anyway... the problem is not the current patch or Caitlyn. It's the fact that Riot is releasing champions almost every month, which means they have to deal with balance issues in an impossible scenario: a new champ might brake the overall champion balance they have achieved. Nerf's, buffs are going to happen in a never ending cycle.. Well... I'm not even sure if Riots main concern is champion balance... this game is just losing the appeal for me. I'd rather see 20 balanced champs in a variety of game modes and maps than 40 shitty balanced champs in one map with crappy items (not Tiamat). agreed, but the with the business model riot is running, they have to keep churning out new champs regularly to sell the skins and keep the game interesting for everyone and stay afloat business wise... | ||
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SeaMoosi
United States62 Posts
The newer heroes are at least a breath of fresh gameplay. And like it was said before, it helps Riot stay afloat and keep our game free, which I can't complain about. So while a new map would be fun or maybe a few "extra" things added in like a larger map that involved minor "quests" could extend gameplay, we have to respect that Riot has to run a business first. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 06 2011 22:22 SeaMoosi wrote:we have to respect that Riot has to run a business first. We don't have to respect shit. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
The game concept allows the players to easily even out the biggest imbalances, and the frequent rebalancing keeps the game fresh. I really don't understand your concerns... (it should be obvious that a balance similar to SCBW cannot be achieved in a game like LoL) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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SeaMoosi
United States62 Posts
We don't have to respect shit. Alright, if you wanna be technical, we don't have to. But we're using a product that is completely free, often updated, worked hard upon by people who spend their 9 to 5's on it, and only costs money if we choose to pay for it. So I think at least a smidgen of respect is in order. | ||
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SpaceToaster
United States289 Posts
On January 06 2011 12:02 Caller wrote: i did and shes bad with normal items tru fax Agreed, I haven't had a successful game as Caitlyn without building at least one Tiamat. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On January 08 2011 10:44 GeneralStan wrote: They could always make new modes/maps cost RP to supplement their business plan. I'd be much more likely to pay for those than skins Modes/Maps for RP seems like a pretty bad idea. And them churning out new champs keeps the game interesting I'd say because the metagame is always changing and shit. Of course you won't get perfect balance that way but its a lot more interesting than a Starcraft approach for a game with different heros/skills/items etc. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:41 R04R wrote: Did minions or turrets have a change in health/armor or damage, respectively? I saw range minions taking 3 hits to die from 1st mid turret. I think I was still on mushrooms but, really, did they change? was it late into the game? Minions get stronger as the game goes on so if it's really late game, that's not implausible. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
A lot of things have happened since patch v1.0.0.107 hit. Let me first mention changes that affect Garen indirectly: *Gragas' Drunken Rage damage reduction was nerfed *Malphite's Seismic Shard range reduced, Ground Slam mana cost increased *Mordekaiser shield generation reduced, shield decay increased *Innervating Locket removed *Last Whisper changed to AD + %ArmorPen *Spirit Visage cost increased *Sunfire Cape cost increased slightly, Passive is now Unique Obviously, seeing his competition get nerfed makes Garen comparatively better; Innervating Locket removal hit Gragas and Udyr real hard for instance, while Spirit Visage nerf hurt Gragas and Dr. Mundo. Now, onto the Garen changes: Assuming you're levelling up Judgment ASAP... Level 1, your Judgment is doing 17% less damage Level 3, your Judgment is doing 15% less damage Level 5, your Judgment is doing 13% less damage Level 7, your Judgment is doing 12% less damage Level 9, your Judgment is doing 12% less damage Level 18, your Judgment is doing 18% less damage The new Last Whisper has great stats if you want to buy an offensive item on Garen, but even if you get it by level 9, your damage is only slightly greater than Old Garen's level 9 damage (To make the gold comparison a bit more fair, you could give Old Garen a Sunfire Cape to match New Garen's Last Whisper; if you do this, Old Garen once again comes out ahead in damage, without even counting the Health and Armor from the Sunfire...) So, yeah. Even after the v1.0.0.108 buff to Garen, the champion is still way weaker than he used to be. In my in-game experience, he's... bad. His lategame play is just awful; it was never great to begin with, but now his stats are worse, his expected performance at early and midgame are worse (which snowball into him being weaker still at lategame), and no Sunfire stacking nerf sets him back further; put together, these changes represent a massive kick in the gonads to Garen's lategame. Even though some of his competition was also nerfed (Malphite, Gragas, Udyr) and Rammus is now perma-banned, it still looks like Garen will keep Alistar company at the bottom of the tanking barrel for now. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
On January 12 2011 04:06 Zato-1 wrote: Even though some of his competition was also nerfed (Malphite, Gragas, Udyr) and Rammus is now perma-banned, it still looks like Garen will keep Alistar company at the bottom of the tanking barrel for now. Whoah, why are you picking on Alistar?? Compare him to Nasus maybe but not Alistar... | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 12 2011 04:32 Scorcher2k wrote: Whoah, why are you picking on Alistar?? Compare him to Nasus maybe but not Alistar... I've played over a hundred games as Alistar. He used to be my main. Nowadays, I just find him awful and nearly unplayable. As far as tanks go, Nasus is bad, sure, but as soon as lategame comes around, Alistar is basically a 2 second stun on a 10 second cooldown. His bad scaling and worse farming make him decidedly bottom-tier, IMO. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
On January 12 2011 04:53 Mogwai wrote: AP Alistar fuckin' rapes. Yeah, this. Were you building tank items on him because my friend also has played Alistar since beta and he is loving him again. | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
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