EPTNo lvl up heal, less AD boost from his W, worse ulti. Also, his Q being physical now, is it affected by the vicious strikes spellvamp anymore?
Lanelaf?
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
No lvl up heal, less AD boost from his W, worse ulti. Also, his Q being physical now, is it affected by the vicious strikes spellvamp anymore? Lanelaf? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
My question becomes, what do AD champs build now as their main AS item? Stark's? SotD/Wit's End? And now should LW come before BF + whatever? The damage on it is really nice with the ArP%, but it sorta takes away from the early BF I think.... | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I wasn't aware that building IE/LW allows for Madred's though....I guess I'm going to have to try out a few things and see what works. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Sometimes when I get so farmed and the other team still doesn't even have much armor if any, I didn't even turn recurve bow into LW since with runes if anyone but the tank didn't have armor it was like they had no armor in the first place. So why bother wasting the gold when nobody had any armor to penetrate that my APen would already, thus I would just grab a bit more damage first. >.> | ||
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Germany1471 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
For the standard DPS builds... just look at your enemies and get the appropriate ASpd item. There still are plenty of options, and at least one of them should be good in any case. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On December 14 2010 19:05 spinesheath wrote: lolz... If this is all correct, then LW is now INSANELY GOOD for my GB/B Ashe. I never really wanted the ASpd anyways. For the standard DPS builds... just look at your enemies and get the appropriate ASpd item. There still are plenty of options, and at least one of them should be good in any case. ur going ghostblade brutal but also getting LW? thats fucking horrible. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 14 2010 19:25 HeavOnEarth wrote: ur going ghostblade brutal but also getting LW? thats fucking horrible. Actually I thought the same, but then I did the math, and it turned out that it actually makes sense. Not my fault. | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
Same with Baron. Walk by Baron, autoattack, kill enemy wards there 8D | ||
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
Also are they just ruining carry heroes in general or is that just me? Ashe will dominate the game even more now <: TY ENERGY RUNE BUFF <3 mb I'll start using kennen again, cause my full energy rune set would pretty much give him perma-energy now  | ||
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Deleted User 45971
533 Posts
On December 14 2010 19:10 Frolossus wrote: kat's ult now scales off of AP and AD what now? I wonder this too being a noob. It seems to me that you might be able to go hybrid early/mid -> AD/survival late, kinda like TF (that's what the guides say and that's what I've done) but still you need a lot of AP to do damage with Shunpo and Dagger no? I dunno but pure AP builds got nerfed right? So you have to go hybrid or AD but AD feels terrible because there are other heroes that does that better(?). What does the more experienced players think? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Olaf nerf? Why? Was it really bad that he was one of the few melee dps champs they actually managed to make balanced? Also i don't know about others but i haven't had problems vsing twitch since forever and he doesn't feel like he's OP now. Elixirs were not fine? Really? Wards were too durable? Really? Randuin got hit sooo hard, i would be fine with like everything but not cdr nerf, yet another blow to Olaf :/ SFC nerf - they weren't even slightly overpowered... I didn't buy SFC since forever. Counting creeps nerfed - here goes so much mind games with jungling. Yeah, let's take away some fun and skill from this game... "Our balance team is really really bad so we decided to show you this by not only by doing stupid changes but also just removing locket, we don't know how to change it" Also - nerf udyr's HUGE AOE damage instead of his survivability. Riiiight | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 14 2010 19:49 Potatisodlaren wrote: I wonder this too being a noob. It seems to me that you might be able to go hybrid early/mid -> AD/survival late, kinda like TF (that's what the guides say and that's what I've done) but still you need a lot of AP to do damage with Shunpo and Dagger no? I dunno but pure AP builds got nerfed right? So you have to go hybrid or AD but AD feels terrible because there are other heroes that does that better(?). What does the more experienced players think? pure AP got buffed, pure AD got nerfed | ||
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Germany1471 Posts
On December 14 2010 19:50 Kaniol wrote: Wow, at first i look at PvP net changes and i thing - yesss, anti-leaver system and random fixed, this is gonna be an awesome patch. But then i look further and the more i read the more i think riot is retarded :| Olaf nerf? Why? Was it really bad that he was one of the few melee dps champs they actually managed to make balanced? Also i don't know about others but i haven't had problems vsing twitch since forever and he doesn't feel like he's OP now. Elixirs were not fine? Really? Wards were too durable? Really? Randuin got hit sooo hard, i would be fine with like everything but not cdr nerf, yet another blow to Olaf :/ SFC nerf - they weren't even slightly overpowered... I didn't buy SFC since forever. Counting creeps nerfed - here goes so much mind games with jungling. Yeah, let's take away some fun and skill from this game... Also - nerf udyr's HUGE AOE damage instead of his survivability. Riiiight Olafs nerf was absolutely required. Look at the context, in this case the sololane XP nerf. He would level FASTER than a sololane at his old speed! Also have you ever played against a Twitch that had Janna, Kayle and Morgana as Teammates? Elexiers serve more for the leading team to seal the deal than to allow the behind team to somehow turn the game around which they are supposed to. Wards were durable enough that you could put them down and even if the enemy saw that they couldn´t do anything about it. Thus you basically had always wards up and were safe from ganks. As bad as Omens nerf is it was necessary - the item still is top and also the physical DPS items got hit as well somewhat balancing it. | ||
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Deleted User 45971
533 Posts
Ah right I forgot about the 0,35 AP scaling but DL got a dmg nerf. I dunno how the math works out if the 0,35 AP makes up for the dmg nerf. So the question is if to go AP or hybrid. Hybrid makes you better late and your ulti will be just as strong or stronger than pure AP. But AP makes you significantly stronger early/mid which is from what I understand is where this hero shines and where your focus should be. So pure AP is still the goto build for the majority of games but it is now viable to go hybrid should the need arise? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:11 Potatisodlaren wrote: Ah right I forgot about the 0,35 AP scaling but DL got a dmg nerf. I dunno how the math works out if the 0,35 AP makes up for the dmg nerf. So the question is if to go AP or hybrid. Hybrid makes you better late and your ulti will be just as strong or stronger than pure AP. But AP makes you significantly stronger early/mid which is from what I understand is where this hero shines and where your focus should be. So pure AP is still the goto build for the majority of games but it is now viable to go hybrid should the need arise? haven't done any math yet but won't your ult do less damage like always if you build hybrid? even more so lategame? unless you go maybe like 2 BT's , stacked mejais and zhonyas | ||
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Deleted User 45971
533 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:16 Frolossus wrote: haven't done any math yet but won't your ult do less damage like always if you build hybrid? even more so lategame? unless you go maybe like 2 BT's , stacked mejais and zhonyas Hmm yeah I don't know but thinking some more about it if you do go any AD items you are obligated to autoattack which this very squishy hero is terrible at so just maximizing the damage from her spells seems to be the only way this hero can be good. Sure BB will still be good but that's what got nerfed. Going an AP build also gives you mpen items which this hero desperately needs since everything except autoattacks does magical damage. So basically pure AP 100% of the time with survival items sprinkled in as needed. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Cho'Gath needed a nerf to make 5hit QQ more. Garen finally forced to buy a little AD to keep up. Fiddle is still going to die. Urgot fixed yet? they beefed his scaling at the expense of his level 1-2... I think not. Pantheon screwed up. Unless they're trying to make him viable all game instead of snowballing early. I liked the distinction :| | ||
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