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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:00:41
December 14 2010 05:00 GMT
#181
Not sure if these patchnotes are serious.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:03:23
December 14 2010 05:01 GMT
#182
On December 14 2010 14:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
Shaco is going to be a godlike jungle again with this patch. He's the only one who doesnt really have to worry about the hp regen change on levelups.


WW says hello as well.

Edit: I also recall a red post (Zileas maybe????) who claimed they didn't like Shaco in jungle and were planning on changing him back to a lane role. So who knows how long that lasts.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 14 2010 05:05 GMT
#183
On December 14 2010 14:01 BloodNinja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
Shaco is going to be a godlike jungle again with this patch. He's the only one who doesnt really have to worry about the hp regen change on levelups.


WW says hello as well.

Edit: I also recall a red post (Zileas maybe????) who claimed they didn't like Shaco in jungle and were planning on changing him back to a lane role. So who knows how long that lasts.

Ya I did read that as well. I'm guessing this is the reason why.

Although I dont know if you've jungled ww recently, but the nerfs hit his jungle a little bit- he still doesnt really have to worry, but i lost more health than I used to.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:12:25
December 14 2010 05:07 GMT
#184
Omen CDR nerf NooOOOoooOoooOOOo

Sunfire nerfed pretty hard... and I haven't even been buying it as it is

Runes

* Flat energy, energy per level, and energy regen per level runes increased 10%
* Flat energy regen runes increased 5%


YES. VINDICATED


also the Malz buffs are pretty sweet. Ez buffs and finally Kat's scaling makes sense... there's so much going on in this patch. Some good and some bad.

I wish Gragas had been nerfed harder :|

it's my first day
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:11:53
December 14 2010 05:09 GMT
#185
They basically went from a kiting/poking metagame which actually took the slightest bit of skill to ezmode/shitfarm duolane chogaths, reworking a character with a now possibly OP earlygame in katarina and bringing ez back to where he was this summer, except that now dorans items are bad and his lv2 combo can easily gib nerfed mordekaisers.

Udyr is now bound to either hugging bluebuff all game long or to taking CDR/lvl blues and quints (are there even CDR quints?) because otherwise his passive won't do shit. And you now need to take ranks in tiger, or possibly just build Q>W>E>R by opening something like WEWQ and being forced to start either at golems or at blue.

Warmogs+new sv is the new regen builds which kicks in even later than it used to, expect to complete those items without boots around lv11. And every other dps will now have bloodrazors since it is alongside bloodthirster one of the 2 only viable carry items. Phantom dancer is a joke since you get no AD from it and the only items benefitting from AS are bloodrazor (try affording that+PD) and wit's end.

Akali and kennen are officially god tier. Not like they were any lower than tier 2 in any possible team comp, but now they even got buffed while the rest of the universe got nerfed. And when others would have started their midgame, buying their first redpot to be able to survive the first combo they now can't do shit.

Oh and BV was a shit item even before, I used to only take it for its passive and as an upgrade to my 2nd negatron but now it's literally a passive with no stats on.
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
December 14 2010 05:10 GMT
#186
oh yeah kat is back
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 14 2010 05:13 GMT
#187
Suppression still isn't affected by diminishing returns, so malz+ww is a must-have combo. Also because ww hardcounters malz in the first place but w/e.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:27:47
December 14 2010 05:25 GMT
#188
Randuin udyr with MR/level blue & yellow was just stupid as hell tbh.

Too many oddball changes, dislike.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 14 2010 05:28 GMT
#189
Can anyone explain to me the logic behind 1 HP wards?
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:32:15
December 14 2010 05:30 GMT
#190
Yeah but since he had no dodge yellows his MS was manageable. The strongest udyr build was 1/15/14 taking both SoS and the dodge masteries, with AS reds, dodge yellows, mr/18 blues and ms quints.

The fact that you now have to either dip into tiger early because you are now going to need the AS buff is pretty fucking gay.

On December 14 2010 14:28 TheYango wrote:
Can anyone explain to me the logic behind 1 HP wards?

You could bait people with wards into dumb spots and gank them while they were wardsweeping. At least I think that's why they nerfed them, I see no other reason for them to have done so. Especially since if you plant a ward within enemy autoattack range now you've automatically lost its money.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
December 14 2010 05:43 GMT
#191
Guess no more tracking jungle via CS anymore. Should make ganks more viable. I kinda like that.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 14 2010 05:43 GMT
#192
So riot wants to make the shitty competetive scene even shittier. Let's make this farmfest of a game even more about farming since dragon is worthless and make wards worthless after the 15min mark!!!
G_G
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:46:56
December 14 2010 05:44 GMT
#193
On December 14 2010 14:43 BloodNinja wrote:
Guess no more tracking jungle via CS anymore. Should make ganks more viable. I kinda like that.


I hate this.

I expect a lot of backpeddling from riot in future patches.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:49:21
December 14 2010 05:48 GMT
#194
On December 14 2010 14:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:43 BloodNinja wrote:
Guess no more tracking jungle via CS anymore. Should make ganks more viable. I kinda like that.


I hate this.

I expect a lot of backpeddling from riot in future patches.

It shoulda been that way from the start. I think it was a very good change.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 06:05:34
December 14 2010 06:00 GMT
#195
It removes one of the cool skilly things from the game, one which separated good players from bad. It does make ganking more of a threat, though there were some fun mindgames involved. Overall I don't like the change, but maybe some people will take clairvoyance more (esp with the death of flash).
I can honestly see double clair bot (watch lizard and dragon, spy on jungler and count his cs).

Overall I'm for this patch. I like big changes, just to see how they happen to turn out.

Remember, it wasn't just jungling that was nerfed. Solo lane was also nerfed.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 14 2010 06:02 GMT
#196
On December 14 2010 14:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:43 BloodNinja wrote:
Guess no more tracking jungle via CS anymore. Should make ganks more viable. I kinda like that.


I hate this.

I expect a lot of backpeddling from riot in future patches.

I like the change :o
Also, I just realized they nerfed Nunu, since every champ can 1 shot wards now.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
December 14 2010 06:03 GMT
#197
Ward nerf = shaco buff

Do want.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
December 14 2010 06:12 GMT
#198
Why are 1 hp wards a Nunu nerf?
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
December 14 2010 06:14 GMT
#199
I like removing the ability to track jungle CS. I think nerfing ward duration is good, nerfing the HP is kinda retarded though. I don't really like removing the disjoint ability of Flash... now the only hero who can reliably disjoint is Vlad.

There's a lot of other stuff I don't quite agree with in this patch...
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 14 2010 06:16 GMT
#200
On December 14 2010 15:12 arnath wrote:
Why are 1 hp wards a Nunu nerf?

He had a niche of running around with oracles and killing wards at crazy speed due to consume but now everyone can do that so his role is gone. Also, Bveil nerf.
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