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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 05 2011 20:11 GMT
#19901
False. A non optimal fight can still end up turning for you if you get lucky. Obviously there are degrees, but in solo q you generally want to be engaging in 5v5 and hoping for luck over 4v5 and hoping that your team isnt stupid enough to get caught, which they inevitably arent.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
July 05 2011 20:12 GMT
#19902
On July 06 2011 05:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
False. A non optimal fight can still end up turning for you if you get lucky. Obviously there are degrees, but in solo q you generally want to be engaging in 5v5 and hoping for luck over 4v5 and hoping that your team isnt stupid enough to get caught, which they inevitably arent.


yeah, the only time I just ignore non optimal fight is if I have a hero that I actually think I can do something with under my tower or something. It's usually best just to try to do what you can in the fight.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
July 05 2011 20:13 GMT
#19903
On July 06 2011 04:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 03:03 Shikyo wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:55 spinesheath wrote:
1619 elo in arranged 5s after 10 games. The last game I still got +37, so if I had not lost that 1 game, I could be around 1690 now.

Just throwing this out here.

On July 06 2011 02:53 Shikyo wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:08 Senx wrote:


Interesting video by Colbycheeze. Pretty much an accurate description on how games can go after a dominating laning phase. People just don't know how to team fight or how lane/objectives/map control work so they try to rush to win and gets destroyed in the process.

Also shows how solo pushing can be devastating to your team, because they don't know how to NOT get caught or start a fight and then blame the guy pushing.

Interesting?

Just like in the first one, it is HIS fault that he assumes that his teammates are 2400 elo. He plays suboptimally. He blames others...

This colbycheeze person is so irritating.

Wait, you can't relate to people who blame their allies for their losses?

I can't relate to people posting videos of themselves making mistakes and blaming others and having slogan as "people often make mistakes but blame others".


Well, I don't wanna comment on the play in the video, but it's a little strange to me colby should feel so free to criticize. I've played with him three times - the first was a duo queue with my friend, he fed and then told my friend he was gonna report him and it was gonna be on stream after getting called bad - so that made him memorable. Second time, he was on my team again... fed. Third time, he was on the enemy team... fed. He's honestly looked awful to me every single time I've seen him play.

I just played with him. He won mid with Annie, though I wasn't watching closely so I'm not sure if jungle helped a lot or what. But then we dominated so much after laning phase that the enemy team surrendered very early, maybe 20 mins. So I didn't get to see any of his late game calls.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
July 05 2011 20:15 GMT
#19904
On July 06 2011 05:00 Woony wrote:
In my opions in these situations you have to either shout real hard in chat with capslock and shit until they realize they should b or you just adapt to them and fight even if its not going to be optimal because a non optimal fight is still better than 4v5.

yeah i agree with this. i would start heading down there while saying
b
b
b
b
b
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 05 2011 20:17 GMT
#19905
On July 06 2011 05:15 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:00 Woony wrote:
In my opions in these situations you have to either shout real hard in chat with capslock and shit until they realize they should b or you just adapt to them and fight even if its not going to be optimal because a non optimal fight is still better than 4v5.

yeah i agree with this. i would start heading down there while saying
b
b
b
b
b

Of course, they then see you moving towards them and turn to engage anyway. If they have any map awareness that is.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 05 2011 20:29 GMT
#19906
On July 06 2011 05:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
False. A non optimal fight can still end up turning for you if you get lucky. Obviously there are degrees, but in solo q you generally want to be engaging in 5v5 and hoping for luck over 4v5 and hoping that your team isnt stupid enough to get caught, which they inevitably arent.


You don't accidentally win a non-optimal fight, you can win it if it's sub-optimal but the conditions are right for a turn-around. You can tell the situation by the minimap and who's about to get crushed.

Better decision-making. Less excuses.

Even from that video alone you can tell he made plenty of stupid decisions, like in his explanation that his team traded 4 for 2, because he charged in alone at the end. Stupid decision, why feed away yourself too for a wussy two, he was clearly out of position to start the fight (yes, HE was out of position) and in that case don't piss away a red buff and do something productive.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 05 2011 20:33 GMT
#19907
Another big part of the decision is whether your team will benefit more from you going in and cleaning up an extra kill or 2 or getting a tower. If your death is inevitable, but you know you will be able to kill off enough of them to prevent a baron or an inhibitor push, its worth it to give up the ace.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 05 2011 20:36 GMT
#19908
On July 06 2011 05:15 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:00 Woony wrote:
In my opions in these situations you have to either shout real hard in chat with capslock and shit until they realize they should b or you just adapt to them and fight even if its not going to be optimal because a non optimal fight is still better than 4v5.

yeah i agree with this. i would start heading down there while saying
b
b
b
b
b

Doesn't work, my mid opponent left for the top lane to gank it as it was really pushed up, I pinged the river, typed "b" like 20 times, and the player didn't react and died. Then "Do you expect me to read the chat while fighting?" So yeah.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 20:43:29
July 05 2011 20:41 GMT
#19909
Fucking Larissalover on stream, that guy trolled the shit out of my team in ranked so many times. Get him off the stream please
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 05 2011 20:41 GMT
#19910
I feel very badly for you Shikyo. You have the hardest life ever, if only you got better teammates!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 05 2011 20:47 GMT
#19911
Pretty nice game streamed on Riot now. Aggressive style ftw !
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 05 2011 21:16 GMT
#19912
http://rog.clgaming.net/blogs/solo-queue/2416-solo-queue-tier-list-yorick

Poor caller. Morde is mainstream now. No wonder he was playing annie. He is no doubt lost and confused right now. Someone buy the man yorick so he can play a properly indeh champion again.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 05 2011 21:36 GMT
#19913
Haha Saint streaming again ... people just walking up to his jungle GP and trying to solo (or 2v1 or 3v1) him and dying horribly. This is endlessly entertaining.
LancerStarcraft
Profile Joined July 2010
United States235 Posts
July 05 2011 21:39 GMT
#19914
What is this annie and why is she so easy to play?
"Buy a ward. Stop a gank. Save a life."
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 05 2011 21:58 GMT
#19915
gonna be trollin' on voyboy stream
Brees on in
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
July 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#19916
On July 06 2011 06:58 Brees wrote:
gonna be trollin' on voyboy stream

Inept inept I played solomid karma in a ranked 5s! Are you proud of me? And when they were like what the hell are you doing I was like I'M INEPTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! And when he was like is that another one of your shitty friend players I was like no look up inept in the dictionary u never got education pls
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 22:32:04
July 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#19917
33-2-5 on akali. Saint 78 Elo. Too good. This is legitimately some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
July 05 2011 22:33 GMT
#19918
On July 06 2011 07:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
33-2-5 on akali. Saint 78 Elo. Too good. This is legitimately some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen.


Counter to Akali as Nid mid: Start out with Dring. Give fb before minions. Die again. Sell Dring, go Boots 3. Still die cause Akali is 6. Real!
"It's criminally negligent to dismiss Rock's contributions to other people's careers", Dukethegold
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
July 05 2011 22:34 GMT
#19919
watching saintvicious' elo hell stream makes me want to towerdive all the things. Think I'mma be a feeder 'til I get it outta my system.
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
July 05 2011 22:42 GMT
#19920
Akali was made to demolish lowbees with Mejais. real mean SV.


Plus inept trolling lol.

Amumu : Shaco ruined bot
Inept: You ruined jungle.

I lol'd for some odd reason.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
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