screw the crap i posted before down there i'll put it in spoiler i have first post on a page that means i have to share some BREAKING NEWS
spudboi is actually a spudGIRL... this has been confirmed by a shocking new piece of evidence he accidentally let slip a link to his NEOPETS ACCOUNT... and as if that weren't confirmation enough http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=mrgerry131 look at what it says his gender is + Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2011 16:41 GiygaS wrote: So as I approach level 30, (I'm 29 right now). I'm deciding I should start picking a champion I should specialize in. Any thoughts from TL?
i'd specialize in a class of champions, like ranged ad or supports or tanks or tanky ad or whatever, so you are not completely useless when your main is banned/picked by someone else
play everything if u wanna get better there's a cap to how good u can get if u only play a certain class of champions and even a lower cap if u play a single champion
NOTE: if you pick the right character, that cap is still pretty high in solo queue as displayed by Bryden7 going from nobody -> top 25 by just spamming solo lane Malphite games. My currently elo is mostly due to playing Jarman in roughly 50% of my recent ranked games.
I don't think that contradicts loco seeing as "how good you can get" and "how high you can raise your solo elo" aren't exactly the same thing.
not saying it contradicts him. he's 100% right, you will hit a wall with limited character pool. I guess I'm just pointing out that I think the skill level in general of this community is fairly low and that you can actually get pretty damn far in this community with a small character pool (see: Doublelift).
Well I'm just going off some advice I once heard which was you should generalize til 30 to get the basic concepts, thenyou specialize until you reach an intermmdiate level, where you finally branch off again.
Also, some details on whoI play right now. I play: -Jungle Amumu and Udyr, these guys I really enjoy playing, and I do decent with them - I mid Nidalee, Ashe, Vlad, and Trist. Really like nid and ashe. Ashe and trist go bot if theres a support in the game. - Off tank chars are Renekton and Maokai, whom I both enjoy, and do well with.
On June 09 2011 16:41 GiygaS wrote: So as I approach level 30, (I'm 29 right now). I'm deciding I should start picking a champion I should specialize in. Any thoughts from TL?
i'd specialize in a class of champions, like ranged ad or supports or tanks or tanky ad or whatever, so you are not completely useless when your main is banned/picked by someone else
play everything if u wanna get better there's a cap to how good u can get if u only play a certain class of champions and even a lower cap if u play a single champion
I have to disagree with this...
Playing many champions and roles decently isn't going to get you high ELO, but playing a few champions and roles greatly will. Before people say, "who the fuck are you to question locodoco on how to get high ELO, you're not even high ELO yourself", I'm real ELO 2400.
TheOddOne: "2. Everyone had a role. People can claim to be a jack of all trades, but it is very likely someone who is specialized at that position would crush that person in their role. This is the same reason people tend to main 1-2 races in say Warcraft 3, unless it's some strict rock paper scissors game, there's no benefit to being good at everything, especially in a team game where you have teammates who can do that role. While I'm a horrible AD carry player, I took it up to myself to find a way to jungle several champions at a high level and know exactly how to play the opponent while helping my team. I could practice AD carries but that'd be a waste of time as our team already has a few people who can play that role far better and they don't jungle often as I."
On June 10 2011 02:39 Shiragaku wrote: *Bows to Moonbear* You actually sound smart on the internet. Do you know how fucking hard that is?
But anyway, there was a post on TL long time ago about what motivates us. One major point in the video is that once you add another factor to something you often enjoy as money, then the person performs very poorly. For example, normal games for me are incredibly fun. People are chill for the most part, we have nothing to lose, but also nothing to gain. But when it comes to ranked games, I find myself faltering, and the overall level of play is incredibly low. There is so much more to lose. You are being compared to everyone else around you and doesn't it suck when you realize you are no one special?
Do you think ranked games apply to this video?
I liked the video, and I think the points made apply to a lot of people. Players that excel in the ranked game environment (this is not to say everyone at high elo, you can do well at something without thriving in the environment or even enjoying it) have different desires and capabilities than those who prefer normal games. Some players prefer the high-risk scenario of visible gains/losses of rating, being "graded" on their performance and compared to other people on a ladder.
If you are a good player but don't care about your e-peen, then there is much less motivation to play ranked, since the goals mentioned in the video--freedom (not being restricted by tryhard team comps, bans, the ability to play with a wider variety of players, etc) mastery (you can still become good at 99% of LoL skills in normal games, as good play will generally beat bad play) and purpose (as per the above caveat, you want something other than e-fame, perhaps fun, socialization, and/or competition for its own sake) exist in normal games.
And since both environments draw different types of players, I would expect any disagreement between purists of each type to be unresolvable.
Something I should mention. I have a group of like 9 friends who all play together, eventually in ranked. If I specialized, they would probably start doing that too.
On June 10 2011 03:58 APurpleCow wrote: Playing many champions and roles decently isn't going to get you high ELO, but playing a few champions and roles greatly will. Before people say, "who the fuck are you to question locodoco on how to get high ELO, you're not even high ELO yourself", I'm real ELO 2400.
Again, there's a difference between playing to raise elo, and playing to become a better player. Learning many champs and what they're all supposed to do will slow your climb, but it will undoubtedly make you a better player.
On June 10 2011 03:58 APurpleCow wrote: TheOddOne: "2. Everyone had a role. People can claim to be a jack of all trades, but it is very likely someone who is specialized at that position would crush that person in their role. This is the same reason people tend to main 1-2 races in say Warcraft 3, unless it's some strict rock paper scissors game, there's no benefit to being good at everything, especially in a team game where you have teammates who can do that role. While I'm a horrible AD carry player, I took it up to myself to find a way to jungle several champions at a high level and know exactly how to play the opponent while helping my team. I could practice AD carries but that'd be a waste of time as our team already has a few people who can play that role far better and they don't jungle often as I."
1) As smash said, this is directed towards arranged 5s.
2) theoddone still probably has a vastly better understanding of what the hell an AD carry is supposed to do than most people worse than him.
Imo: Focus on a couple of champs, but keep playing a wide variety of champs less frequently.
You can't be very good with all champs compared to the respective best players for each champs. You can't even do that in SCBW and it's only 3 races there. But you still have to be able to play anything at a nonretarded level if you are solo queueing and end up last pick. Playing a champ yourself will also allow you to play better against that champion.
On June 10 2011 04:58 spinesheath wrote: Imo: Focus on a couple of champs, but keep playing a wide variety of champs less frequently.
You can't be very good with all champs compared to the respective best players for each champs. You can't even do that in SCBW and it's only 3 races there. But you still have to be able to play anything at a nonretarded level if you are solo queueing and end up last pick. Playing a champ yourself will also allow you to play better against that champion.
This is how I feel. I play like every champ but I specialize in AD/AP carries for the most part. My jungle is generally subpar as is my side lane, except for maybe poppy. And I'm 100% sure players who are even just 1600+ is a better poppy than me, like milo.
On June 10 2011 02:39 Shiragaku wrote: *Bows to Moonbear* You actually sound smart on the internet. Do you know how fucking hard that is?
But anyway, there was a post on TL long time ago about what motivates us. One major point in the video is that once you add another factor to something you often enjoy as money, then the person performs very poorly. For example, normal games for me are incredibly fun. People are chill for the most part, we have nothing to lose, but also nothing to gain. But when it comes to ranked games, I find myself faltering, and the overall level of play is incredibly low. There is so much more to lose. You are being compared to everyone else around you and doesn't it suck when you realize you are no one special?
Do you think ranked games apply to this video?
I liked the video, and I think the points made apply to a lot of people. Players that excel in the ranked game environment (this is not to say everyone at high elo, you can do well at something without thriving in the environment or even enjoying it) have different desires and capabilities than those who prefer normal games. Some players prefer the high-risk scenario of visible gains/losses of rating, being "graded" on their performance and compared to other people on a ladder.
If you are a good player but don't care about your e-peen, then there is much less motivation to play ranked, since the goals mentioned in the video--freedom (not being restricted by tryhard team comps, bans, the ability to play with a wider variety of players, etc) mastery (you can still become good at 99% of LoL skills in normal games, as good play will generally beat bad play) and purpose (as per the above caveat, you want something other than e-fame, perhaps fun, socialization, and/or competition for its own sake) exist in normal games.
And since both environments draw different types of players, I would expect any disagreement between purists of each type to be unresolvable.
I don't rage like everyone else in ranked and find it much calmer and more organized and play much better. In normals its just so random team setups and ppl so I just kinda troll around.
I always say this but I'll say it again, if you are looking at gaining a good grasp of a wide variety of fundamentals in LoL and want to improve upon them... play Ashe. Ashe is vulnerable to ganks but can counter this with consistent map awareness, requires you to know how to initiate fights and when to initiate them, doesn't really have a wave-clearing spell that makes last hitting derp worthy, and her laning requires some heavy positioning compared to say vlad nid healer fags.
If you are on the other side of the coin and want to have high success in LoL with little effort play pusher fags to your heart's delight. Jump on the Nidalee, Singed, Corki, Malzahar etc. Train and get all dat ELO.
Take this from a guy who played too much Singed pre season 1 and had to find other ways to win.
I made it to 1500 playing nothing but Mundo Morde Olaf and Zilean. And I'm godawful. P.S. TL normals are a great place to learn new characters. Most of the 14-1500s know each other pretty well and can work as a team. And frankly, if you have a team that can group up and take objectives or split push or farm and not get picked off, you can make it to 1500 with just about any teamcomp. Oh and don't lose every lane and jungle either.
On June 10 2011 04:58 spinesheath wrote: Imo: Focus on a couple of champs, but keep playing a wide variety of champs less frequently.
You can't be very good with all champs compared to the respective best players for each champs. You can't even do that in SCBW and it's only 3 races there. But you still have to be able to play anything at a nonretarded level if you are solo queueing and end up last pick. Playing a champ yourself will also allow you to play better against that champion.
This is how I feel. I play like every champ but I specialize in AD/AP carries for the most part. My jungle is generally subpar as is my side lane, except for maybe poppy. And I'm 100% sure players who are even just 1600+ is a better poppy than me, like milo.
youd be suprised how bad people are at 1600+, use 1700 or 1800 as a milestone for that. Fx 1600 is me semi trolling, I actually have to tryhard to climb higher than that (if I can at all since i havent been there forever)
On June 10 2011 03:26 unichan wrote: screw the crap i posted before down there i'll put it in spoiler i have first post on a page that means i have to share some BREAKING NEWS
spudboi is actually a spudGIRL... this has been confirmed by a shocking new piece of evidence he accidentally let slip a link to his NEOPETS ACCOUNT... and as if that weren't confirmation enough http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=mrgerry131 look at what it says his gender is + Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2011 16:41 GiygaS wrote: So as I approach level 30, (I'm 29 right now). I'm deciding I should start picking a champion I should specialize in. Any thoughts from TL?
i'd specialize in a class of champions, like ranged ad or supports or tanks or tanky ad or whatever, so you are not completely useless when your main is banned/picked by someone else
play everything if u wanna get better there's a cap to how good u can get if u only play a certain class of champions and even a lower cap if u play a single champion
I have to disagree with this...
Playing many champions and roles decently isn't going to get you high ELO, but playing a few champions and roles greatly will. Before people say, "who the fuck are you to question locodoco on how to get high ELO, you're not even high ELO yourself", I'm real ELO 2400.
TheOddOne: "2. Everyone had a role. People can claim to be a jack of all trades, but it is very likely someone who is specialized at that position would crush that person in their role. This is the same reason people tend to main 1-2 races in say Warcraft 3, unless it's some strict rock paper scissors game, there's no benefit to being good at everything, especially in a team game where you have teammates who can do that role. While I'm a horrible AD carry player, I took it up to myself to find a way to jungle several champions at a high level and know exactly how to play the opponent while helping my team. I could practice AD carries but that'd be a waste of time as our team already has a few people who can play that role far better and they don't jungle often as I."
if u wanna play ranked to just to get high elo,its better to main 1 or 2 solo lane abusers such as akali or urgot or trist(west and bruise and myself).but once u get up there and u can't play anything other than that one champion ur gonna drop straight back down.(bruise) but if u take the time to learn other champions and accept that playing 1 champ is gonna get u no where,u can get high elo again :3(me and west) what oddone means is "once u know all the champs and what they can or cannot do,specialize in a certain class since in an arranged team u'll only need to play 1 role" besides its always easier to join a team if u can play more than 1 role well
EPT
