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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:18 alphafuzard wrote: they wont be releasing champs forever, they already said they have a set # they want to cap out at ?? source?? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Urgot is another example. If they slowed his e projectile, making it easier to dodge, it would reward skill on both sides. Cuz right now, all urgot has to do is e>qqqqq and win a lane. Not difficult for urgot, and much harder for the opponent to guess where that crazy ass flight pattern is gonna send the e. Urgot's q isnt broken. The ease of the e>q combo is. This is the real reason why the constant overnerfs or ineffective nerfs happen. Riot just doenst know the correct metrics that make champions too good. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:17 spinesheath wrote: That being said, an increase to 3+3 bans might be due. Isn't 3+3 bans imbalanced in favor of the team that gets last ban + first pick? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:24 TheYango wrote: Isn't 3+3 bans imbalanced in favor of the team that gets last ban + first pick? yes, but you can fix this by having first ban and first pick on the same team. first ban is not an advantage at all, it's only last ban that matters. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem is riot has proven, again and again, that they do not KNOW the right way to balance the game, simply because they are unaware of the basic WHY behind broken characters. For example, Ryze right now is a broken op piece of shit: he beats anyone in lane who isnt also broken or named Caitlyn. Why is that? Damage, tankyness? No. Its because his q has about 3 billion range. Yet I assure you that when they go back and look at ryze, its his damage that is gonna drop, not his range. I don't think you're any more qualified to say this than a team of Riot designers. It's easy to criticize in retrospect, but quite honestly it's more complicated than "I think X is the problem when Riot thinks Y is the problem." As an aside, I think players tend to complain over-much about issues of laning strength, particularly when they isolate them from issues later in the game. Champions that in particular that are strong in lane tend to get flagged by the community as "imba" much more quickly than those that that are powerful in other stages. I could speculate about that it's because laning is the most self-contained phase of the game (in other stages, you can blame your teammates for being bad, but if you lose lane, you can only blame imbalanced champs) but I don't think that's necessary. On April 09 2011 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote: Urgot is another example. If they slowed his e projectile, making it easier to dodge, it would reward skill on both sides. Cuz right now, all urgot has to do is e>qqqqq and win a lane. Not difficult for urgot, and much harder for the opponent to guess where that crazy ass flight pattern is gonna send the e. Urgot's q isnt broken. The ease of the e>q combo is. I don't agree with this at all, because if this were the case, the frequency of Urgot bans/high picks would correlate inversely with rise in skill level (e.g. Urgot would be banned more at lower skill levels if his core problem is one of usability/skill required to beat him), because as you rise in skill, it becomes easier for you to overcome the skill barrier required to comfortably lane while dodging Es on CD. On April 09 2011 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote: This is the real reason why the constant overnerfs or ineffective nerfs happen. Riot just doenst know the correct metrics that make champions too good. And you do? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
The biggest issue is when a champ shuts down farm dependant champs like ranged autoattackers. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:51 spinesheath wrote: Strong laners are problematic because they can shut certain champs down so hard that they essentially become useless mid/lategame. Which means you cannot pick one of those champs unless you are sure that there is no champ on the enemy team that will shut you down. The biggest issue is when a champ shuts down farm dependant champs like ranged autoattackers. The same argument could be made the other way around - safe free farm all game and you're unstoppable late game. It's just a matter of perspective and reacting appropriately. If anything, I feel it's currently too hard to harass somebody out of lane / zone out without jungle / roamer help. SoS + cloth + 5pot makes me sad. | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
Ps My vlad beats urgot o/ Pss Shoutout to MM for giving me FeedFest -> Grackis lose shuttle | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
LoL 4 bans 86 heroes. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Oranges delicious | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
On April 09 2011 06:29 Seiuchi wrote: The biggest problem Riot's team has balance wise compared to SC2 is that, despite whether or not you think Browder is going the right direction with Marauders/Roaches/etc, he's been clearly in charge and the team under him has stayed consistent and they have a unified vision of where the game's going. Since Riot keeps hiring new personnel for balance, each time there's a new hire things get tweaked because of the new employee's personal preferences (see how Morello shook things up when he got hired because he completely disagrees with entire character sets like Soraka's). The reason why SC2 races have the units they have is because of both Browder and the fact that the dev team essentially voted on "what was coolest" rather than what made sense lore or strategy wise. That's how you get weird stuff like the Raven and Colossus - it's because they sound really cool in a vaccum. After the units were selected, they pretty much balanced from that point. The only reason Marauders/Roaches/etc. exist in any sort of whatever harmony you envision is because they HAVE to make them harmonious. Those were simply the only units the balance team was left with. I have it on good word from people-who-will-not-be-named @ Blizzard that Browder is a raving lunatic and the balance team (Kim) is the reason things are remotely sane. It's really important in the game industry to have a good captain at your ship. That's why I trust Zileas to progress the game somewhere decent. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On April 09 2011 07:10 Flakes wrote: Riot can only raise the number of bans if they raise the number of free champs every week, or risk making ranked even less accessible to new players. That might not be a totally bad thing  | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On April 09 2011 07:10 Flakes wrote: Riot can only raise the number of bans if they raise the number of free champs every week, or risk making ranked even less accessible to new players. wouldn't making it harder for new players to play ranked be a good thing? | ||
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