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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
March 09 2011 21:49 GMT
#9041
Swain OP? What patches or metagame shifts exactly turned him from mediocre to OP?
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 09 2011 21:53 GMT
#9042
On March 10 2011 06:17 locodoco wrote:
things that are op this patch that people havent really caught on to yet
cata->deathcap->hourglass swain 9/21/0
2~3 hog->banshee/sunfire->atmas jarvan 0/21/9
boots->sheen->mobil alistar 9/0/21
the top 3 op things that arent banned 24/7
i highly recommened every to try all 3 atleast once

ROAM COW!
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23461 Posts
March 09 2011 22:01 GMT
#9043
On March 10 2011 06:49 Woony wrote:
Swain OP? What patches or metagame shifts exactly turned him from mediocre to OP?


He isn't mediocre he's always been around top level games but never gets noticed because he doesn't single target rape that much he just heals and does mass aoe damage.
aka Teutonica
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 09 2011 22:08 GMT
#9044
I have this hate against Swain ever since the buffs shortly after his release. I always felt he's really really strong. Plus I generally find champs stupid who have such ridiculous lanestaying power: huge MP5 boost AND low cooldown insane heal AND ranged AND slow + root.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 09 2011 22:08 GMT
#9045
On March 10 2011 06:49 Woony wrote:
Swain OP? What patches or metagame shifts exactly turned him from mediocre to OP?


He's been good for a long time, hes just not easy to play
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2011 22:09 GMT
#9046
On March 10 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I agree with the item build on swain, but why 9-21? It isnt like you need survivability all that much since you are unkillable in lane at 6, and the cdr is awesome.

Maybe it's because I'm awful with Swain, but my impression would be that it's because Swain get's totally bullied around before 6 otherwise.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
March 09 2011 22:13 GMT
#9047
On March 10 2011 06:17 locodoco wrote:
things that are op this patch that people havent really caught on to yet
cata->deathcap->hourglass swain 9/21/0


that's what I do on swain except sometimes with tear instead of or in addition to cata

Two_Down: you'd be amazed at just how much bulkier full defensive tree makes you. Plus you don't need anything from utility tree if you manage mana carefully (except the blue buff extension which would be nice).
Partly it helps you harass with e-auto in lane. Partly it gives you a modest chunk of additional health. Partly Strength of Singed is still imba. And that 4% decrease feels much stronger than it sounds.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 09 2011 22:14 GMT
#9048
On March 10 2011 06:49 Woony wrote:
Swain OP? What patches or metagame shifts exactly turned him from mediocre to OP?

None of the above. Since MF (i think since her) most of the champions were considered absolute garbage after release and even though Riot didn't change too much afterwards players simply discovered how to play them.
Actually this rule doesn't only apply to champions released post-MF. Eve? Malphite? Gragas? Old Janna? Not to mention back in times when nobody played junglers and ww was considered the worst champion ever (because he disappears in jungle, allowing his ally to die 50 times 1v2 and then comes out of the jungle 20 mins into the game with a BF sword doing nothing)

Swain wasn't considered mediocore because he had bad skills/stats, Swain was considered mediocore because noone knew how to play him well.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 09 2011 22:43 GMT
#9049
On March 10 2011 07:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I agree with the item build on swain, but why 9-21? It isnt like you need survivability all that much since you are unkillable in lane at 6, and the cdr is awesome.

Maybe it's because I'm awful with Swain, but my impression would be that it's because Swain get's totally bullied around before 6 otherwise.



Actually swain is a pretty big bully if you can land nevermore.

QWE is like 3 trillion damage if you land them in the most optimal order
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2011 22:51 GMT
#9050
On March 10 2011 07:43 Phrost wrote:
Actually swain is a pretty big bully if you can land nevermore.

QWE is like 3 trillion damage if you land them in the most optimal order

Then maybe I'm getting unlucky facing lanes that start boots first, and am totally awful at landing Nevermore on targets with boots.

Q slow would help, except Q has 550 range, and plenty of people can kite you from longer range than that.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 10 2011 00:03 GMT
#9051
Is there a better feeling in LoL than when your team is dying alot in other lanes, enemy team is up like 10-2 and theyre pushing left and right and you say to yourself

"Ok if we're gonna win this game its gonna be up to me, I have to carry really fucking hard."

and then you actually do it?

Real.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 10 2011 00:08 GMT
#9052
is it better to max shiv or deceive first on shaco?
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
March 10 2011 00:08 GMT
#9053
I had to fight a Swain as Trist the other day mid. My jungler gave him double buffs at level 5, he got cata, and despite several calls for help nobody came to handle him.

It was completely and utterly frustrating. His lane presence and sustainability are huge - he lands one Q and the pain train cometh. I hate that bastard.

Prolly buying him soon.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 10 2011 00:10 GMT
#9054
okay so MF and katarina make swain pretty much worthless (especially when MF has 5 kills and a tower before i'm 6)
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 00:26:53
March 10 2011 00:22 GMT
#9055
So I got into ELO Hell. I know I am a major advocate for saying that people who think they are good are overblown but in every game, I get into a team with one feeder, often deliberate who thinks he is as funny as MacLauren and ruins the entire game for all of us.
But do I deserve to be 1000? God no! 1500? Even less so. But the biggest problem is that ranked games are more about adjusting to trolls, feeders who think they have nothing to lose, and butthurt nerds rather than trying to play a proper game. So in the end, the ranked system is pretty shitty. It prevents serious, competitive players from practicing and allows trolls and feeders to sometime ride on other people's coat tail.
EDIT - Lucky 7 post. I am expecting something good out of this.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#9056
On March 10 2011 07:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I agree with the item build on swain, but why 9-21? It isnt like you need survivability all that much since you are unkillable in lane at 6, and the cdr is awesome.

Maybe it's because I'm awful with Swain, but my impression would be that it's because Swain get's totally bullied around before 6 otherwise.

What? Never, if you start with Doran Shield you can Q harrass every time it's up and get a few autoattacks off as well, and after lvl 2 you E Q with the same harrass and with ignite that kills from 70% hp. Swainn denies Vlad from lvl 2.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#9057
On March 10 2011 09:08 Frolossus wrote:
is it better to max shiv or deceive first on shaco?

Jib
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 00:32:07
March 10 2011 00:30 GMT
#9058
I don't think theres any way to stop trolls and careless people who just leave when they're fed up in ranked, problem will always be there.

The key is being patient and have a thick skin and you'll eventually get the elo you deserve.

The trolls vs normal ppl-ratio will level itself out the longer u keep at it :>

I don't know if HoN had any solution to their ranked system?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 10 2011 00:33 GMT
#9059
Haha, so this is ICCUP again. But rather than a skill exam, it seems to be a mental endurance.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 10 2011 00:35 GMT
#9060
On March 10 2011 09:33 Shiragaku wrote:
Haha, so this is ICCUP again. But rather than a skill exam, it seems to be a mental endurance.


Mental endurance is probably the main skillset towards becoming a succesful LoL player, how funny as that may sound.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
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