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buttersworth
Sweden50 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On July 26 2011 02:49 buttersworth wrote: Why is it impossible to get a bigger premade than 2 going at NE? I hate playing support with randoms. I miss having to save Teutonica. Damn you split! you can have more than 2 in normal games, but in ranked you can only have 1, 2 or 5 going into Summoner's Rift. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 26 2011 02:45 r33k wrote: Isn't he normally played as a jungler? Why would you give up on ganks with massive damage, aoe speed boost and a slow? wait... people still jungle him? i thought it was a given that he solos top now because he can control the flow of the lane and as soon as it crosses that little gap between the top bushes he just zones you and if you try to fight back he wins. and if you come to gank him he gets a double kill | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2011 01:58 Mogwai wrote: 270 HP = 712.5 30 Armor = 500 39 MRes = 650 8 AD = 328 2160.5 gold in self stats for 1925 gold, 112.23% efficiency emblem of valor 17% Lifesteal = 637.5 10 HP/5 = 312.5 950 gold in self stats for 800 gold, 118.75% efficiency *trollface.jpg* problem summoner? I won't even bother going into Doran's items or wriggles or triforce (funny story, triforce is more gold efficient than Aegis without counting the MS, Slow Proc, or Sheen proc). Yeah, the main thing about Aegis is that it wastes less gold on non-survivability stats than pretty much any other non-baseline tank item (obviously Chain/Negatron/GBelt waste 0 gold on non-survivability stats). The only other "pure survivability" items are Leviathan and Warmogs. Aegis was blown out of the water by pre-nerf HoG, when the best source of rounded survivability you could get for ~2600 gold wasn't Aegis+Chain/Negatron, but rather 2xHoG + Negatron. Now that HoG is much worse, Aegis is more justifiable on lots of tanks. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On July 26 2011 02:55 gtrsrs wrote: wait... people still jungle him? i thought it was a given that he solos top now because he can control the flow of the lane and as soon as it crosses that little gap between the top bushes he just zones you and if you try to fight back he wins. and if you come to gank him he gets a double kill People jungle him because if he solos top he dominates 1 lane and if he jungles he dominates 3. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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If they don't have a support bot you almost always want janna. once those two are out for one reason or another you can pick pretty much whatever you want, as long as you avoid some specific traps - for example you have to pair soraka with a laner who has some offensive power, so no soraka ashe or soraka sivir. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On July 26 2011 02:49 buttersworth wrote: Why is it impossible to get a bigger premade than 2 going at NE? I hate playing support with randoms. I miss having to save Teutonica. Damn you split! I WANT MY BUTTERS BACK TOO. 5men premade. Uh, who's support? Oh, wait, we've got butters. <3 | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:51 arnath wrote: I don't understand the point of AP Taric. If you're going to play him as AP and level his heal last, it heals for a pretty negligible amount anyway (after say level 3). At that point, why not just play a stronger nuker that still has a hard CC (say Sion or Morg or Lux) and play them as support bottom without taking any cs? his heal has a 1.1:1 AP ratio that's why you don't level it. the additional heal from levels is negligible, but even at level 1 it's very strong if you stack AP (which you will). the double nukes have 0.5 and 1:1 ratios in addition to an armor reduction can sion, morg, or lux give anything comparable (i suppose morg can, with a stun and a shield instead of a heal, and MR reduction, but her stun is a skillshot and she's only got 1 nuke instead of 2 not to mention she's very farm-dependent in the mid and late-game)? | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On July 26 2011 03:51 arnath wrote: I don't understand the point of AP Taric. If you're going to play him as AP and level his heal last, it heals for a pretty negligible amount anyway (after say level 3). At that point, why not just play a stronger nuker that still has a hard CC (say Sion or Morg or Lux) and play them as support bottom without taking any cs? Lux and Morg have unreliable CC, and do less damage in a combo than Taric (don't forget about W's armor shred). Sion has a reliable stun, but offers nothing to the team with no farm as a duo laner. At least Taric has his W bonus armor for everybody on the team, which is not much but it's something, and the heals are not TOO terrible with AP. The point of AP Taric is to crush your lane. Not win it. CRUSH IT. That's why Taric's best friends are people who can do a lot of damage / combo a stunned target, like Poopy, Vayne, Brand, Ezreal, Cait... | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:20 arnath wrote: I don't understand this argument that Sion or Morg require more farm lategame than AP Taric. All 3 heroes rely on building some amount of AP and thus operate equally poorly off of no CS. Sion's nukes even have better AP ratios than Taric's (2x 1.0 instead of just one) which arguably makes him LESS farm dependent, not more. .....Sion doesn't have a heal though? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:20 arnath wrote: I don't understand this argument that Sion or Morg require more farm lategame than AP Taric. All 3 heroes rely on building some amount of AP and thus operate equally poorly off of no CS. Sion's nukes even have better AP ratios than Taric's (2x 1.0 instead of just one) which arguably makes him LESS farm dependent, not more. because both of their skillsets REQUIRE them to walk up into the middle of the enemy team and just pray for the best? taric can toss a garen-teed stun and then hang back and heal if necessary. did we mention that taric has a HEAL that's the quintessential part of why taric is a better support hero than sion x_x | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:20 arnath wrote: I don't understand this argument that Sion or Morg require more farm lategame than AP Taric. All 3 heroes rely on building some amount of AP and thus operate equally poorly off of no CS. Sion's nukes even have better AP ratios than Taric's (2x 1.0 instead of just one) which arguably makes him LESS farm dependent, not more. If Sion doesn't build enough AP he has no nukes at all. Morg isn't popular to begin with for various reasons, the main one being her cooldowns being too long, which prevent her from being played as a support. Also given the nature of Sion and Morg's W and their outdated attack animations it's safest for them to clear a wave in one spell. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:20 arnath wrote: I don't understand this argument that Sion or Morg require more farm lategame than AP Taric. All 3 heroes rely on building some amount of AP and thus operate equally poorly off of no CS. Sion's nukes even have better AP ratios than Taric's (2x 1.0 instead of just one) which arguably makes him LESS farm dependent, not more. Taric puts farm to use mid-late game, but he's not farm-DEPENDENT the way Sion and Morg are. Sion has prohibitive mana costs, his kit is damage-oriented, and requires him to get up-close to make use of his spells (including his stun, which has 100 less range than Taric's stun, and is equal in range to standard ranged AD autoattacks). Morgana...basically has no ultimate if you don't get farm. Neither tick does any damage without taking advantage of their AP scaling, and without tanky AP items, you basically will never live long enough to position for more than 1-2 targets, and certainly not long enough for the second tick to finish. Taric mid-late can throw his stun, and then hang back and heal, while his two auras buffer his team. He might blow W situationally, but often it's better to maintain the armor aura until your AD has a critical opportunity to make use of the burst/armor shred. Farm-less Sion is worth a stun, that's IT. Farm-less Morg is worth a snare, MR shred, and a single spell-block. Farm-less Taric is worth a stun, a heal, an armor aura that situationally turns into armor shred, an HP5/AD aura, AND has enough baseline survivability that he can actually take some punishment early-midgame without itemization (though that drops off late-game). So no, Sion/Morg don't even come close to matching Taric on no farm. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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