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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:35 Orpheos wrote: is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range. Nah they took out his Q and that sent him into the ground. Now he's just a gank-inclined mordekaiser with a long range ult. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
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Craton
United States17235 Posts
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:59 gtrsrs wrote: lux has 2 skillshots as her damage, both of which are incredibly easy to dodge or push the lane how does MR shred help an AD carry exactly? and i forgot which button lux and morg's heals were on? this isn't hard, kids... Not to mention that if you haven't won your lane by or at 6 with Taric, then you did something wrong anyway. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:54 Lanzoma wrote: Can somebody explain to me the strength of AD and AD/lvl reds? I'm guessing they're particularly strong on corki because of his imba passive / spells / armor shred, but who else would benefit from them over ARpen? I haven't really been keeping track of the changes in AD carries' playstyle & meta & hivemind. Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin. AD is strong because very few people have enough armor at level 1 to require full penetration, and +10 damage on your last-hit is very strong. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:12 TheYango wrote: Redtracker the discussion about red buff no longer having a slow. As was mentioned several pages ago, there was absolutely no need for adding the slow/stacking DoT on his passive (the change I'm referring to)--he was completely fine and arguably already really good without that change, which is what put him absolutely over the top. And no, I don't think his point was valid when his argument is based around the idea that "early pushing is bad" when it really isn't in a lot of lane matchups at all. Yeah I think he was good before, but this version is really fun to play and the basic effects aren't unfair, just the numbers. Nerf him and he'll be a great, cool character. And I don't recall him saying early pushing is always bad. it is usually though... I know it's a valid lane tactic sometimes but it's much more common for playing passive to be better | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On July 26 2011 04:56 TheYango wrote: I honestly think Morello does a much better job than Guinsoo. A lot of the time it just feels like Morello takes the hit by delivering the news in red posts/patch previews, but in general his reasoning for changes he had direct control over seems pretty sound and level-headed. Guinsoo, on the other hand, is arguably the cause of this retarded iteration of Gangplank, and has said stuff like "I don't believe that overextending should cause you to die" and "[pushing in lane] is rarely or never good" (when it's a legitimate way to stalemate/win lane against some of these ridiculous laners like Udyr/WW). I second this, Morello's reasoning is a lot more sound on champion balance and game direction. At least he foresaw and is combating the problems of sustain which is basically why top lane is retarded right now. Also I'm glad they're finally balancing around tournament play, even if the reasoning to get there is a bit off. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:35 Orpheos wrote: is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range. He's still good, not just crazy broken/oh my god must ban/pick | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:54 Lanzoma wrote: Can somebody explain to me the strength of AD and AD/lvl reds? I'm guessing they're particularly strong on corki because of his imba passive / spells / armor shred, but who else would benefit from them over ARpen? I haven't really been keeping track of the changes in AD carries' playstyle & meta & hivemind. Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin. Tiger stance. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:58 UniversalSnip wrote: And I don't recall him saying early pushing is always bad. it is usually though... I know it's a valid lane tactic sometimes but it's much more common for playing passive to be better Except using that as a reasoning for the jungle changes is a bit silly because part of the reason pushing early is bad is that lots of champs just don't get a lot *done* with early pushing. Pushing makes it harder to zone/harass your opponent, and makes him able to stay in a safer position, with the tradeoff being the ability to get some tower damage and make it harder for your opponent to lasthit on tower (not a big gain if you were already zoning him anyway). Even if ganks were weaker, you still wouldn't see pushing get that much stronger early, simply because unless your kit is really good for it, you simply don't accomplish that much right-clicking towers at low levels. Better to zone your opponent early levels and create a level/gold disparity, then easily get the tower once you come back to lane with big items and actually hit the tower for meaningful damage. Right now, pushing is good when you can't fight/out-sustain the enemy laner, but have superior creep control, and can preserve your ability to farm by maintaining creep advantage, while at the same time denying him farm by pushing waves into his tower. Alternatively, it's good when you can insta-clear creeps and then use the time while your opponent is forced to deal with your creeps to apply pressure in the jungle/in other lanes. Neither of these situations is hugely affected by the jungle--in the former, you're going to get crushed in lane anyway if you try to freeze the lane somewhere in the middle and play passive, and in the latter, your goal is to clear creeps super-fast and not be in lane so the risk of jungle ganks isn't hugely relevant. I can't see any jungle changes creating additional situations where pushing early would be good. As an aside, most of the champs that that push super hard early are actually pretty safe from ganks, simply because after you clear the enemy's creeps, you can hang back if you need to. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On July 26 2011 06:02 Southlight wrote: Morello sounds like a dumbass for tournament organization but he's probably a decent/good balancer, people just often have trouble coming to terms that someone can be piss-poor at one thing but good at another. what? what dafuck does Morello have to do with TOing? | ||
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GranDim
Canada1214 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:49 Lanzoma wrote: Not to mention that if you haven't won your lane by or at 6 with Taric, then you did something wrong anyway. I was only arguing their damage potential, not how usable they are bot lane. | ||
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
Hope you enjoyed the games and didn't find the music too annoying  . | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:47 r33k wrote: Nah they took out his Q and that sent him into the ground. Now he's just a gank-inclined mordekaiser with a long range ult. I don't think hes that bad. I just started playing him last week and 6-0 in ranked already. Just gotta make sure udyr is banned lol. Level 1 fire sucks ballz though. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
First picked him in ranked, wish me luck | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 26 2011 07:11 Odds wrote: I just got my ass kicked so hard by a twitch that I rage-bought the shitty rat. First picked him in ranked, wish me luck What you do is you ping your target, wait for your teammate to engage then run to another lane. If they complain, you just miscalculated because rats are bad @ math. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
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