• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:54
CET 00:54
KST 08:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE!
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11501 users

General Discussion/Off-topic - Page 1148

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1152 Next
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 25 2011 20:35 GMT
#22941
is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 25 2011 20:47 GMT
#22942
On July 26 2011 05:35 Orpheos wrote:
is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range.

Nah they took out his Q and that sent him into the ground. Now he's just a gank-inclined mordekaiser with a long range ult.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 25 2011 20:48 GMT
#22943
When he's ahead he's AHEAD. When he's behind he's BEHIND. He's a bit like Eve.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 25 2011 20:49 GMT
#22944
He'll go back to being OP once the really retarded tops get nerfed, imo.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
July 25 2011 20:49 GMT
#22945
On July 26 2011 04:59 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:55 GranDim wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:04 Lanzoma wrote:
Lux and Morg have unreliable CC, and do less damage in a combo than Taric (don't forget about W's armor shred).


Arguable before 6, Lux as her passive and morg MR shred, they both totally outclass taric once they get their ult.


lux has 2 skillshots as her damage, both of which are incredibly easy to dodge or push the lane

how does MR shred help an AD carry exactly?


and i forgot which button lux and morg's heals were on?

this isn't hard, kids...


Not to mention that if you haven't won your lane by or at 6 with Taric, then you did something wrong anyway.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 20:55:54
July 25 2011 20:54 GMT
#22946
Can somebody explain to me the strength of AD and AD/lvl reds? I'm guessing they're particularly strong on corki because of his imba passive / spells / armor shred, but who else would benefit from them over ARpen? I haven't really been keeping track of the changes in AD carries' playstyle & meta & hivemind.

Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
July 25 2011 20:57 GMT
#22947
On July 26 2011 05:54 Lanzoma wrote:
Can somebody explain to me the strength of AD and AD/lvl reds? I'm guessing they're particularly strong on corki because of his imba passive / spells / armor shred, but who else would benefit from them over ARpen? I haven't really been keeping track of the changes in AD carries' playstyle & meta & hivemind.

Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin.


AD is strong because very few people have enough armor at level 1 to require full penetration, and +10 damage on your last-hit is very strong.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 20:58:41
July 25 2011 20:58 GMT
#22948
On July 26 2011 05:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:10 r33k wrote:
When did Guinsoo say that? I thought he was in development, not in balancing.

Redtracker the discussion about red buff no longer having a slow.

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
the numbers are wrong but I feel like this is the best designed gangplank we've had :|. Second part just needs context, he had entirely valid points...

As was mentioned several pages ago, there was absolutely no need for adding the slow/stacking DoT on his passive (the change I'm referring to)--he was completely fine and arguably already really good without that change, which is what put him absolutely over the top.

And no, I don't think his point was valid when his argument is based around the idea that "early pushing is bad" when it really isn't in a lot of lane matchups at all.



Yeah I think he was good before, but this version is really fun to play and the basic effects aren't unfair, just the numbers. Nerf him and he'll be a great, cool character.

And I don't recall him saying early pushing is always bad. it is usually though... I know it's a valid lane tactic sometimes but it's much more common for playing passive to be better
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
July 25 2011 21:01 GMT
#22949
On July 26 2011 04:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:50 r33k wrote:
Also Riot said they officially switched their balancing focus on tournament play since right now it's attracting the most people. That would be good... except for Morello who has no experience and doesn't communicate with high ELO players.

I honestly think Morello does a much better job than Guinsoo. A lot of the time it just feels like Morello takes the hit by delivering the news in red posts/patch previews, but in general his reasoning for changes he had direct control over seems pretty sound and level-headed. Guinsoo, on the other hand, is arguably the cause of this retarded iteration of Gangplank, and has said stuff like "I don't believe that overextending should cause you to die" and "[pushing in lane] is rarely or never good" (when it's a legitimate way to stalemate/win lane against some of these ridiculous laners like Udyr/WW).


I second this, Morello's reasoning is a lot more sound on champion balance and game direction. At least he foresaw and is combating the problems of sustain which is basically why top lane is retarded right now.

Also I'm glad they're finally balancing around tournament play, even if the reasoning to get there is a bit off.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 25 2011 21:02 GMT
#22950
Morello sounds like a dumbass for tournament organization but he's probably a decent/good balancer, people just often have trouble coming to terms that someone can be piss-poor at one thing but good at another.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 25 2011 21:04 GMT
#22951
On July 26 2011 05:35 Orpheos wrote:
is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range.


He's still good, not just crazy broken/oh my god must ban/pick
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
July 25 2011 21:09 GMT
#22952
On July 26 2011 05:54 Lanzoma wrote:
Can somebody explain to me the strength of AD and AD/lvl reds? I'm guessing they're particularly strong on corki because of his imba passive / spells / armor shred, but who else would benefit from them over ARpen? I haven't really been keeping track of the changes in AD carries' playstyle & meta & hivemind.

Edit: I can see them working on some "ad casters" as well like Rhee Sin.

Tiger stance.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 21:28:55
July 25 2011 21:09 GMT
#22953
On July 26 2011 05:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
And I don't recall him saying early pushing is always bad. it is usually though... I know it's a valid lane tactic sometimes but it's much more common for playing passive to be better

Except using that as a reasoning for the jungle changes is a bit silly because part of the reason pushing early is bad is that lots of champs just don't get a lot *done* with early pushing. Pushing makes it harder to zone/harass your opponent, and makes him able to stay in a safer position, with the tradeoff being the ability to get some tower damage and make it harder for your opponent to lasthit on tower (not a big gain if you were already zoning him anyway). Even if ganks were weaker, you still wouldn't see pushing get that much stronger early, simply because unless your kit is really good for it, you simply don't accomplish that much right-clicking towers at low levels. Better to zone your opponent early levels and create a level/gold disparity, then easily get the tower once you come back to lane with big items and actually hit the tower for meaningful damage.

Right now, pushing is good when you can't fight/out-sustain the enemy laner, but have superior creep control, and can preserve your ability to farm by maintaining creep advantage, while at the same time denying him farm by pushing waves into his tower. Alternatively, it's good when you can insta-clear creeps and then use the time while your opponent is forced to deal with your creeps to apply pressure in the jungle/in other lanes. Neither of these situations is hugely affected by the jungle--in the former, you're going to get crushed in lane anyway if you try to freeze the lane somewhere in the middle and play passive, and in the latter, your goal is to clear creeps super-fast and not be in lane so the risk of jungle ganks isn't hugely relevant. I can't see any jungle changes creating additional situations where pushing early would be good.

As an aside, most of the champs that that push super hard early are actually pretty safe from ganks, simply because after you clear the enemy's creeps, you can hang back if you need to.
Moderator
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 25 2011 21:11 GMT
#22954
On July 26 2011 06:02 Southlight wrote:
Morello sounds like a dumbass for tournament organization but he's probably a decent/good balancer, people just often have trouble coming to terms that someone can be piss-poor at one thing but good at another.

what? what dafuck does Morello have to do with TOing?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
July 25 2011 21:27 GMT
#22955
On July 26 2011 05:49 Lanzoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:59 gtrsrs wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:55 GranDim wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:04 Lanzoma wrote:
Lux and Morg have unreliable CC, and do less damage in a combo than Taric (don't forget about W's armor shred).


Arguable before 6, Lux as her passive and morg MR shred, they both totally outclass taric once they get their ult.


lux has 2 skillshots as her damage, both of which are incredibly easy to dodge or push the lane

how does MR shred help an AD carry exactly?


and i forgot which button lux and morg's heals were on?

this isn't hard, kids...


Not to mention that if you haven't won your lane by or at 6 with Taric, then you did something wrong anyway.



I was only arguing their damage potential, not how usable they are bot lane.
EffectS
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium795 Posts
July 25 2011 21:32 GMT
#22956
Thank you all for watching my stream, the few that did! :D
Hope you enjoyed the games and didn't find the music too annoying .
TEEHEE
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#22957
On July 26 2011 05:47 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:35 Orpheos wrote:
is rumble still considered top pick? i was fucking around with him on a smurf and gave up fb and another death before hitting lvl 3 cause i forgot they both had ignite and was trolling hard. then i just play abit more passively and just steam roll the other team. seems super OP. also his ult has stupid range.

Nah they took out his Q and that sent him into the ground. Now he's just a gank-inclined mordekaiser with a long range ult.

I don't think hes that bad. I just started playing him last week and 6-0 in ranked already. Just gotta make sure udyr is banned lol. Level 1 fire sucks ballz though.
GANDHISAUCE
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
July 25 2011 22:11 GMT
#22958
I just got my ass kicked so hard by a twitch that I rage-bought the shitty rat.

First picked him in ranked, wish me luck
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#22959
On July 26 2011 07:11 Odds wrote:
I just got my ass kicked so hard by a twitch that I rage-bought the shitty rat.

First picked him in ranked, wish me luck

What you do is you ping your target, wait for your teammate to engage then run to another lane. If they complain, you just miscalculated because rats are bad @ math.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 25 2011 22:16 GMT
#22960
Whoops that was Marcou wasn't it O_O
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Prev 1 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1152 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft193
Nina 146
ViBE116
Nathanias 101
CosmosSc2 31
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 875
Artosis 530
ProTech140
White-Ra 136
Shinee 44
ggaemo 43
Aegong 40
League of Legends
Doublelift4976
JimRising 659
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1501
allub228
Super Smash Bros
PPMD45
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2924
Trikslyr58
Other Games
summit1g12212
FrodaN1119
zeus312
shahzam308
C9.Mang0257
ToD179
syndereN138
Maynarde90
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL173
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2658
• Jankos2563
Other Games
• imaqtpie462
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
1h 6m
Kung Fu Cup
11h 6m
Replay Cast
23h 6m
The PondCast
1d 10h
KCM Race Survival
1d 10h
OSC
1d 14h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
IPSL
3 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.