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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 15 2016 14:05 GMT
#2041
On May 15 2016 21:48 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 09:17 Larkin wrote:
If you wanna play a hero like Azmodan, you gotta communicate it from the start of the draft, and if your team is not okay to run a comp for him, not pick him.

We just had a game where we had a silenced first pick Azmo, who didn't even go for stack build in the end, and lost handily because of it. He's just not a hero you can pick whenever you like imo.


It was QM...


Ah, my bad then.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 01:04:49
May 17 2016 01:04 GMT
#2042
gets pretty fucking miserable when you go 1-7 in TL with your friend missing every single ancestral but 1 across 2 games he played Rehgar in (literally every single fucking 1, game lost by 1 person)

like why do people play like this was fucking monkey bussiness HL, kill chasing instead of wave control on Tomb, entire team giving up 20 advantage to do a fucking camp and let the enemy turn in, Muradin that keeps engaging every game on 0 mana so he can't jump out...

ofc since it's 5 man party, nobody will call anyone out so every person continues to play like shit

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
May 17 2016 08:59 GMT
#2043
I have the same problems with my IRL friends. Only 1 is very good and I queue with him all the time, but when we Team League we usually cannot carry.

Could only play 1 HL game in the entire week-end, so I was hoping for something good. I'm 1st pick so I go for Tyrande as my smurf doesn't have much high priority heroes I'm good with.
Noone selects a warrior or a frontline hero (vs 3 on the enemy team). Our 4rth pick takes Xul, the 5th pick takes Zeratul, like most Zeratul I've drafted with they don't change their pick even if you lack a healer or warrior.
So we play like that, Xul feeds like an idiot, overall the level is pretty low. Zeratul wasn't good.

We somehow win because they sucked. I mean you have Thrall Diablo Rehgar, the opponent has no warrior and Zeratul, you have to dive on Tyrande all fucking game. I died 1 time because of a gank in lane.
Why do I play with and vs these morons ?
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 13:26:31
May 20 2016 13:26 GMT
#2044
Ok now every retard wants to play Arthas. So thank you Blizzard for the "player-in-placement" Arthas (after I already locked ETC) who fed all game and never positionned well. He only died 9 times after all, that's not so bad.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 21 2016 04:10 GMT
#2045
First game back after a week break, I get an Illidan and Sylvanas duo-queue (Rank 1 and 6 respectively, which was a bad sign). We get a 2-level lead, and then they decide to systematically piss it away. They each died 5 times, accounting for 10/14 of the team's deaths, leading to a horrible loss. It was a stark reminder of why I'm abandoning this game for Overwatch.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
May 21 2016 14:55 GMT
#2046
It's amazing how little people know how to play alongside TLV. They don't roam together and when objectives come up on Lost Temple I have to hold both, which of course I can't, while they randomly soak in a lane or chase stray heroes. Fucking headless chicken everywhere in this game. if anyone should, I SHOULD BE SOAKING DURING OBJECTIVE.
"Right on" - Morrow
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-22 00:21:52
May 22 2016 00:21 GMT
#2047
Random server lag on EU leaves our team with 4 bots and their team with none. We go from being level on level 7 to down 1.5 levels, a fort, and 13 kills, because the server fucks us and not them. And I lose 105 points for the fucking privilege.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45028 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-22 02:10:12
May 22 2016 02:09 GMT
#2048
BoE, late game, their core is at 40% with both keeps down. We teamwipe them (50+ second respawn timers on all 5), then my whole team ignores my core clicking and splits up to get camps x.x Then they respawn, we lose the immortal, and then lose the game. Since when is the object of the game to take camps instead of killing the core?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 22 2016 02:28 GMT
#2049
whenever I que as Vikings. I am prepared to play them as if they would be a single hero. You can usually see in the way how people act at the start, if they will be the silent laner.
Once had a game where someone pointed out to me that bribe would be the way to go on this map. And I replied, but we have two silent laners. And we had. Luckily it was a QM with no healer. So I murdered the enemy team with Eric.

Pretty much Blizzards fault though, for making a mute your team button, that is actually the first thing you see when starting a game. That we have those silent laners everywhere I mean. And if people say you can't carry in Heroes, then I reply how the hell do those people get into high MMR games then, well apart from the weird matchmaking.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 22 2016 22:25 GMT
#2050
On May 22 2016 11:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
BoE, late game, their core is at 40% with both keeps down. We teamwipe them (50+ second respawn timers on all 5), then my whole team ignores my core clicking and splits up to get camps x.x Then they respawn, we lose the immortal, and then lose the game. Since when is the object of the game to take camps instead of killing the core?


I get this a lot as well.
Most or the entire enemy team is down, a keep is already gone and your team is on decent enough health/mana that the core could be taken down easily. Instead, they go for the objective or camps. Sigh.
What do objectives/camps help you do? Win the game. How do you win the game? By destroying the core.
So why not destroy it directly if a window for doing so presents itself?

Also, the matchmaker has got to stop putting 2 man vs 4 man or 3 man vs 5 man parties.
4 or 5 man can coordinate/communicatie nearly everything and work properly as a team.
2x2 + 1 random or 3 + 2 randoms cannot, atleast not to the same degree.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 05:46:38
May 23 2016 05:46 GMT
#2051
On May 23 2016 07:25 Thezzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2016 11:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
BoE, late game, their core is at 40% with both keeps down. We teamwipe them (50+ second respawn timers on all 5), then my whole team ignores my core clicking and splits up to get camps x.x Then they respawn, we lose the immortal, and then lose the game. Since when is the object of the game to take camps instead of killing the core?


I get this a lot as well.
Most or the entire enemy team is down, a keep is already gone and your team is on decent enough health/mana that the core could be taken down easily. Instead, they go for the objective or camps. Sigh.
What do objectives/camps help you do? Win the game. How do you win the game? By destroying the core.
So why not destroy it directly if a window for doing so presents itself?

Also, the matchmaker has got to stop putting 2 man vs 4 man or 3 man vs 5 man parties.
4 or 5 man can coordinate/communicatie nearly everything and work properly as a team.
2x2 + 1 random or 3 + 2 randoms cannot, atleast not to the same degree.


I really, really, really truly believe that most people who play this game think the core is almost impossible to solo without full health full team, three full catapult minion waves and a fully dead enemy team.

EDIT: I used to be one of them. :D
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Zaocide
Profile Joined May 2016
2 Posts
May 23 2016 08:27 GMT
#2052
Those CZ guys...
Had a game with XxxCZ in my team. He picked Tyrande and went afk for 10 minutes. When he came back, we already were 3 lvls behind as Dragon Shire doesn't forgive lack of people on lanes. Easy loss.
Next game got xxxxCZ on last pick in my team. Pre-picks Li Minig and insists that he will play only her. We tried to explain that he wasn't likely to have Li Ming for last pick and banned her. Than he promised to pick something he's bad with. He took Hammer and spent the whole game on the lane dying to every single gank without trying to escape from blizzard or zombie wall. Teammates asked him to play safe but he responded that he would throw this game for us because he had a daily quest and we didn't allow him to play Li Ming.
I've not seen this before even from Russians.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6993 Posts
May 23 2016 09:17 GMT
#2053
On May 23 2016 17:27 Zaocide wrote:
Those CZ guys...
Had a game with XxxCZ in my team. He picked Tyrande and went afk for 10 minutes. When he came back, we already were 3 lvls behind as Dragon Shire doesn't forgive lack of people on lanes. Easy loss.
Next game got xxxxCZ on last pick in my team. Pre-picks Li Minig and insists that he will play only her. We tried to explain that he wasn't likely to have Li Ming for last pick and banned her. Than he promised to pick something he's bad with. He took Hammer and spent the whole game on the lane dying to every single gank without trying to escape from blizzard or zombie wall. Teammates asked him to play safe but he responded that he would throw this game for us because he had a daily quest and we didn't allow him to play Li Ming.
I've not seen this before even from Russians.


Ye I've seen a lot of those as well. 95% are fucktards. Where do they come from and why don't they go back there?

In those "ping-core-but-nobody-responds" situation I'm always so happy when i get heroes Illidan, Valla, Artanis and the likes and can just solo the goddamn core myself
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 23 2016 09:23 GMT
#2054
On May 23 2016 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2016 17:27 Zaocide wrote:
Those CZ guys...
Had a game with XxxCZ in my team. He picked Tyrande and went afk for 10 minutes. When he came back, we already were 3 lvls behind as Dragon Shire doesn't forgive lack of people on lanes. Easy loss.
Next game got xxxxCZ on last pick in my team. Pre-picks Li Minig and insists that he will play only her. We tried to explain that he wasn't likely to have Li Ming for last pick and banned her. Than he promised to pick something he's bad with. He took Hammer and spent the whole game on the lane dying to every single gank without trying to escape from blizzard or zombie wall. Teammates asked him to play safe but he responded that he would throw this game for us because he had a daily quest and we didn't allow him to play Li Ming.
I've not seen this before even from Russians.


Ye I've seen a lot of those as well. 95% are fucktards. Where do they come from and why don't they go back there?

The beautiful country of Czech Republic.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 23 2016 10:50 GMT
#2055
I think what Blizz's matchmaker fails to account for is that 1 significantly lower skilled player will lose you the game far easier than 1 significantly higher skilled player will win you the game. Putting a team of 3-3.5k mmr players vs a 4k, 3.7k, 3.1k and 2 random 2.5ks is not balanced matchmaking (hi Malekith)
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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 14:36:38
May 23 2016 14:32 GMT
#2056
It also needs to take games played into account a lot more.
I don't care that a new player is grouped with a single lvl 40 player, if you put 5 lvl 40 players with say 2k games each up against 4 lvl 40 players with 2.5k games each and 1 lvl 13 player with only 25 games, the team with the lvl 13 has a much larger chance of losing due to the lvl 13 player lacking experience and hero knowledge.
Even if he is guided by his team, he won't know what enemy heroes can do and will get killed more often.

Had a QM game where our only warrior (Arthas) was lvl 13.
The above scenario happened where the entire enemy team was dead, a keep was already gone and I pinged the core.
Our QM team was squishy and we had no healer so we needed Arthas to tank the core. Arthas instead just went for the objective and wouldn't budge or communicate. Had most deaths and most of them were unneeded and out of position.
Rest of the team tried core anyway and failed and then Arthas raged about it. Pfft.

If someone has a level under 40 or less than say 100 games, they should not be put with or against players that have 2k games or more. It isn't fun for either side, the new player will get raged and hated on and the experience players will hate and rage for getting a new and possibly useless player on their team, dropping their chances to win.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 24 2016 01:55 GMT
#2057
Ragey tanks, never cease to amaze me. We weren't coordinated in a stellar fashion and Tracer was a bit slow on the uptake, but I have no sympathy for people who call out bad game when you're one shrine behind on Towers of Doom.


Not to mention he was a little bitch about Tracer dying when he died 7 times, but that isn't his fault of course.

Reported him and a Nazeebo who was equally chastising, though did more for the game than most on the team. LiLi as a healer didn't help.
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
May 24 2016 09:34 GMT
#2058
What happens with MMR ? Got 2 guys yesterday on my team with my MMR but 30 and 50 games. Result ? Crappy games

- Our captain 1st bans TLV, saying "he is op" and 2nd bans Murky "he is op". The guy has 50 games. Then our 30 games guy 1st picks Hammer. The worst 1st pick of the game. And the map was Tomb of the Spider Queen! Hammer on this map = game lost. Hammer 1st pick = game lost. Guess how it went ? The opponents had 1 retard but it wasn't enough. (and we got an Arthas solo tank who went AFK 1 min)
You shouldn't be captain with 30 games when there are 1k+ games people in the draft.

- The 3rd pick gets TLV ,why not. The other team goes 3 spec no warrior. TLV proceeds to die 4 or 5 times before 1st tribute, no APMs, no map awareness, no pings, no directions in chat. We never got ahead in exp in the whole game. Guess how it went ?

- Last game we face 3 utter noobs. We win very easily.

Can I get balanced games today ? Can I stop getting Arthas on my team ?
I don't even want to win games, I want to play balanced games.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 24 2016 09:57 GMT
#2059
hero to add to the list of guaranteed retards: Diablo. It's like all Diablos are fucking idiots.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
May 24 2016 10:17 GMT
#2060
On May 24 2016 18:34 Leolio wrote:


Can I get balanced games today ?
I don't even want to win games, I want to play balanced games.

This. The amount of complete stomps is incredible. Yesterday, I got queue'd with 2 unranked players (Tyrael who refused to leave bot lane on BHB, a Sylvanas who refused to soak 2 lanes with Unstable Poison), a Silenced last pick Morales and a Silenced last pick Murky. After they noticed wtf Tyrael was doing (solo soaking bot vs Xul..... yeahhhhhh....) they went amoving bot lane all game.

Shit fiesta.
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