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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
April 07 2015 02:31 GMT
#7901
Can someone explain to me why you still get - 100 if you have a leaver on your team? This baffles me completely.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 07 2015 02:56 GMT
#7902
On April 07 2015 11:31 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain to me why you still get - 100 if you have a leaver on your team? This baffles me completely.


Because then someone on your team could leave the game and you wouldn't lose MMR. That would be a horrible system.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
April 07 2015 02:58 GMT
#7903
On April 07 2015 11:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 11:31 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain to me why you still get - 100 if you have a leaver on your team? This baffles me completely.


Because then someone on your team could leave the game and you wouldn't lose MMR. That would be a horrible system.


If they leave if first 2 - 3 mins it should refund MMR like it does in Dota.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
April 07 2015 11:20 GMT
#7904
I was wondering if anyone else who plays Kerrigan has used the Siphon + Clean kill combo, since I haven't seen it anywhere.
It allows Ravage to heal you for 10% and free of mana if you kill something (anything, even walls) with it.

Initially I went for Grasp + Envenom like everyone else but in QM if you don't have a healer it means Kerrigan walks around at half health a lot of the time. So instead I went for Siphon and Clean Kill. This turns every creep wave into a health/shield source since I can just weaken them a bit first and then pounce for 10% health at no mana cost.
Ravage instantly resets if it kills anything so I can just Grasp a creep wave and then pounce them all one by one, giving me a big heal or filling the shield to max instantly.

It also just adds a little damage against creeps/mercs since you can finish them off earlier without wasting mana and Ravage does decent damage.

The only downside is that there is no Grasp range or Envenom so you trade some damage potential for sustainability.
I suppose if you have a dedicated healer you could do without but I find it so useful for staying at full health in a lane.

Anyone else tried this?
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 07 2015 11:40 GMT
#7905
On April 07 2015 11:31 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain to me why you still get - 100 if you have a leaver on your team? This baffles me completely.


What do you mean? You get -300 points if you leave during hero-select, not sure what you get -100 from?
hi
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 11:56:29
April 07 2015 11:56 GMT
#7906
On April 07 2015 20:40 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 11:31 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain to me why you still get - 100 if you have a leaver on your team? This baffles me completely.


What do you mean? You get -300 points if you leave during hero-select, not sure what you get -100 from?


He means if your teammate leaves the game and you lose (the bots aren't good at hots, surprise!) you can still lose MMR.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 12:00:46
April 07 2015 11:58 GMT
#7907
Eh, yeah you lose the MMR that you would have lost even if the team-mate was still around? You don't get a higher penalty in MMR-loss, just because someone left during the game.

And honestly the bots in this game are quite good. If you know how to ping them around, they can be more useful than the guy who played the hero :3
hi
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16719 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 13:25:39
April 07 2015 13:24 GMT
#7908
I'm getting buried in Heroes of the Storm offers from Blizzard. First they throw up a pay-wall and then a few weeks later they let any one in?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Stop-Selling-Heroes-Storm-Beta-Keys-71126.html

Has Blizzard announced how many people bought this "Founder's Pack". I'm guessing the number was lower than expected and Blizzard ain't saying a thing.

With Blizzard pumping out more and more content each year in all of their various universes.. sooner or later they are going to have a commercial failure. and i think Heroes of the Storm is going to be just that.. Blizzard's first commercial failure.

Fortunately, they can move the people working on Heroes onto other projects.. like folding and counting all the money they are making with Hearthstone and WoW.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
April 07 2015 13:31 GMT
#7909
On April 07 2015 22:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I'm getting buried in Heroes of the Storm offers from Blizzard. First they throw up a pay-wall and then a few weeks later they let any one in?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Stop-Selling-Heroes-Storm-Beta-Keys-71126.html

Has Blizzard announced how many people bought this "Founder's Pack". I'm guessing the number was lower than expected and Blizzard ain't saying a thing.

With Blizzard pumping out more and more content each year in all of their various universes.. sooner or later they are going to have a commercial failure. and i think Heroes of the Storm is going to be just that.. Blizzard's first commercial failure.

Fortunately, they can move the people working on Heroes onto other projects.. like folding and counting all the money they are making with Hearthstone and WoW.


I think you are delusional.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
April 07 2015 13:31 GMT
#7910
It was pretty clear to anyone paying attention buying the Founder's Pack was an early entry fee (with cosmetic benefits) and if one was patient they would get in free later. It's in beta and no one forced anyone to buy the pack lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16719 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 13:39:06
April 07 2015 13:35 GMT
#7911
On April 07 2015 22:31 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 22:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I'm getting buried in Heroes of the Storm offers from Blizzard. First they throw up a pay-wall and then a few weeks later they let any one in?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Stop-Selling-Heroes-Storm-Beta-Keys-71126.html

Has Blizzard announced how many people bought this "Founder's Pack". I'm guessing the number was lower than expected and Blizzard ain't saying a thing.

With Blizzard pumping out more and more content each year in all of their various universes.. sooner or later they are going to have a commercial failure. and i think Heroes of the Storm is going to be just that.. Blizzard's first commercial failure.

Fortunately, they can move the people working on Heroes onto other projects.. like folding and counting all the money they are making with Hearthstone and WoW.


I think you are delusional.


LoL and to a lesser extent Dota2 customer bases are too entrenched.

ATVI falls all over themselves to reveal WoW, Diablo, and Starcraft sales totals. It'll be interesting to see waht ATVI reveals about Heroes' revenue. My guess is we'll never hear a thing because the player base is small.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 13:43:49
April 07 2015 13:39 GMT
#7912
On April 07 2015 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 22:31 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On April 07 2015 22:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I'm getting buried in Heroes of the Storm offers from Blizzard. First they throw up a pay-wall and then a few weeks later they let any one in?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Stop-Selling-Heroes-Storm-Beta-Keys-71126.html

Has Blizzard announced how many people bought this "Founder's Pack". I'm guessing the number was lower than expected and Blizzard ain't saying a thing.

With Blizzard pumping out more and more content each year in all of their various universes.. sooner or later they are going to have a commercial failure. and i think Heroes of the Storm is going to be just that.. Blizzard's first commercial failure.

Fortunately, they can move the people working on Heroes onto other projects.. like folding and counting all the money they are making with Hearthstone and WoW.


I think you are delusional.


LoL and to a lesser extent Dota2 customer bases are too entrenched.

ATVI falls all over themselves to reveal WoW sales totals. It'll be interesting to see waht ATVI reveals about Heroes' revenue.

Nvm, it doesn't seem like a conversation is wanted or warranted.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 07 2015 13:40 GMT
#7913
Judging by the number of skins and players using new heroes on release week, I'm pretty sure that HotS is going to do just fine financially. And I have no doubt that HotS is going to cannibalize a significant chunk of the MOBA market after it's released.
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
April 07 2015 15:04 GMT
#7914
Is there any reasoning in pick order for draft? I thought it was based on mmr, but yesterday the first pick on my team was valla and they were straight up terrible, only participated in 8 of 20+ kills, lowest hero damage on the team, lower than brightwing. Unless its lower mmr picks first, no way this person had higher mmr than anyone on our team unless it was someone playing on someone else's account.

I actually kinda prefer to pick near the end, I may have less chance playing the hero I want to play, but at least I'll fill a need for the team and you can't rely on everybody doing that unfortunately, at least not while I work my way through the plebe tier.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 07 2015 15:13 GMT
#7915
On April 08 2015 00:04 serum321 wrote:
Is there any reasoning in pick order for draft? I thought it was based on mmr, but yesterday the first pick on my team was valla and they were straight up terrible, only participated in 8 of 20+ kills, lowest hero damage on the team, lower than brightwing. Unless its lower mmr picks first, no way this person had higher mmr than anyone on our team unless it was someone playing on someone else's account.

I actually kinda prefer to pick near the end, I may have less chance playing the hero I want to play, but at least I'll fill a need for the team and you can't rely on everybody doing that unfortunately, at least not while I work my way through the plebe tier.

The only thing that I've noticed is that party leaders will have the highest pick among the players in their party, though they won't necessarily have a higher pick than non-party teammates.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 07 2015 15:40 GMT
#7916
Its hard to tell if a game will be a financial failure in the long run, however that doesn't appear to be the case.

First of all promotion and promotions ending doesn't mean the game is doing bad, and since they said on the very reveal.of the founders pack that it would be available for a limited time I don't worry too much.

Release is also rapidly approaching, and probably blizzard want to avoid any complain about "what? I just bought it and now you announce the open beta?"

It is also probable that sales have fallen off, because well, its been more than 3 months since they announced it and probably most people that would have bought it have it by now.

And as most people with beta access will tell you it seems like everyone and their mother has bought skins or mounts so, it doesn't seems a failure, but hard to tell
e who would have bought a
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 07 2015 16:18 GMT
#7917
On April 07 2015 22:39 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 07 2015 22:31 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On April 07 2015 22:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I'm getting buried in Heroes of the Storm offers from Blizzard. First they throw up a pay-wall and then a few weeks later they let any one in?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Stop-Selling-Heroes-Storm-Beta-Keys-71126.html

Has Blizzard announced how many people bought this "Founder's Pack". I'm guessing the number was lower than expected and Blizzard ain't saying a thing.

With Blizzard pumping out more and more content each year in all of their various universes.. sooner or later they are going to have a commercial failure. and i think Heroes of the Storm is going to be just that.. Blizzard's first commercial failure.

Fortunately, they can move the people working on Heroes onto other projects.. like folding and counting all the money they are making with Hearthstone and WoW.


I think you are delusional.


LoL and to a lesser extent Dota2 customer bases are too entrenched.

ATVI falls all over themselves to reveal WoW sales totals. It'll be interesting to see waht ATVI reveals about Heroes' revenue.

Nvm, it doesn't seem like a conversation is wanted or warranted.


On Forums there are people that only jump in to renew their hate for something. They keep coming back even after they quit a game 10 years ago. So it helps if you check the author of a post first, it can really save your time.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
April 07 2015 16:41 GMT
#7918
All of my friends that are playing this game are throwing money at it. When work picks up for me I will likely be throwing money at it as well, already spent $100 between my girlfriend's and my account.

I think the game is going to do far better than most people anticipated when it was announced, if it hasn't already.

Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 17:28:51
April 07 2015 17:28 GMT
#7919
All i have to say is that heroes and cosmetics from the shop are fucking lol expensive. Also dont know why you'd get a founders pack just for access when you can get beta keys for $1 elsewhere.
Useless wet fish.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 07 2015 17:56 GMT
#7920
Sonya + Abathur.... freaking she just doesn't die OMG!
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