EPTHeroes Large General Thread - Page 277
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Godwrath
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:59 Tenks wrote: But you seem to need to convince others this is a poor value I originally just said "wow Blizzard is making a lot of money for no effort". You were the one who who made an Econ101 argument saying "well people are buying it so obviously it's a great value" so it induced a response to the contrary. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:34 mordek wrote: If you're ok with just playing quick match with heroes on the free rotation (which I'd think is advisable) and do this for the first few months the 10 heroes and level 30 for Hero League is easily attainable. If you don't have the time/patience you pay the premium, like most things in life. I think it depends a lot on how much you play with friends. This was a brought up a few pages ago. There was one guy who was lvl 30 with 20k gold ground in a month of play. Then there was me, lvl 20 with 20k gold after a month of play. We had the same amount of dailies after all, so the xp boost left him lacking heroes for hero league, while I still had 10 levels to grind gold (currently at lvl 23 with 25k gold for the record, I started leveling free rotation dues to 5). | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:41 Wuster wrote: I think it depends a lot on how much you play with friends. This was a brought up a few pages ago. There was one guy who was lvl 30 with 20k gold ground in a month of play. Then there was me, lvl 20 with 20k gold after a month of play. We had the same amount of dailies after all, so the xp boost left him lacking heroes for hero league, while I still had 10 levels to grind gold (currently at lvl 23 with 25k gold for the record, I started leveling free rotation dues to 5). A good point for sure but I'm just saying after a few months of play you'll meet both criteria. If that's an acceptable timeframe for you, you'll be a happy f2p player. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
Like some people wouldn't have bought HOTS for $40 if that was just the retail price for the game (lol why pay $40 for a game with less characters than LoL), but now that it's been out and people are playing it and the hype has gotten to the point where they're more easily pliable for that $$$. Maybe I dunno. Early Access has weird psychological implications that someone will write about in more detail in the future I'm sure. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
Like, if you just want to play the game and ignore the grinding, you should have a somewhat affordable choice beyond a couple hundred dollars for all the heroes. It leads to situations like Thrall being perceived as OP and those allegations being met with "no he's not try him and find out what's good against it" and well, not being able to. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
The Smite-like package would be awesome, no arguments with that. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:50 hariooo wrote: But like isn't that kind of absurd? I was lucky enough to get into the beta for free and decide the performance issues and mouse binding issues were hurdles too big to get over at no monetary cost but other people have to pay $40 for the same "privilege"? Like some people wouldn't have bought HOTS for $40 if that was just the retail price for the game (lol why pay $40 for a game with less characters than LoL), but now that it's been out and people are playing it and the hype has gotten to the point where they're more easily pliable for that $$$. Maybe I dunno. Early Access has weird psychological implications that someone will write about in more detail in the future I'm sure. But that's your choice, not everyone's. Some things cost more and people still buy it (and you can't directly compare HotS with any other MOBA anyways, it has it's own distinguishing features). Why were people going to eBay to spend $200 or more on a flagged account? That's not Blizzard's fault either. That was a choice people made. This is the new world. 0-day access has become a huge thing. Tto one-up that you have Steam Early access and of course you have beta / alpha hype which has made Kickstarter so good at getting games funded. Selling access to beta is something other companies do in response to this trend, not the other way around. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:10 hariooo wrote: If there was a $40 that just unlocked all the heroes + no talent gating without any cosmetics I'd actually have a much harder time criticizing that. Same as what Smite does. Like, if you just want to play the game and ignore the grinding, you should have a somewhat affordable choice beyond a couple hundred dollars for all the heroes. It leads to situations like Thrall being perceived as OP and those allegations being met with "no he's not try him and find out what's good against it" and well, not being able to. The differences is that smite is a small kind of indy studio, while Blizzard is a public company with inverstors and is way more bigger and frankly, spend way more time in their games to polish them. If you don't have an specialist get to lvl 15, you unlock two more free rotation slots to a total of seven. | ||
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sushiko
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On January 22 2015 05:50 hariooo wrote: But like isn't that kind of absurd? I was lucky enough to get into the beta for free and decide the performance issues and mouse binding issues were hurdles too big to get over at no monetary cost but other people have to pay $40 for the same "privilege"? Like some people wouldn't have bought HOTS for $40 if that was just the retail price for the game (lol why pay $40 for a game with less characters than LoL), but now that it's been out and people are playing it and the hype has gotten to the point where they're more easily pliable for that $$$. Maybe I dunno. Early Access has weird psychological implications that someone will write about in more detail in the future I'm sure. Other people don't have to pay, it's just that they want to either 1) get into the game earlier or 2) join friends. It's a recent trend for closed betas to be sold by the devs, but it makes sense. Early Access is really part of a hype train mentality that also probably ties in with Fear of missing out, you hear about a game everyone is loving/playing/enjoying and now you want to try it out. But of course you didn't get an invite.... now you're more willing to pay for access, either via ebay or devs. On January 22 2015 06:10 hariooo wrote: If there was a $40 that just unlocked all the heroes + no talent gating without any cosmetics I'd actually have a much harder time criticizing that. Same as what Smite does. Like, if you just want to play the game and ignore the grinding, you should have a somewhat affordable choice beyond a couple hundred dollars for all the heroes. It leads to situations like Thrall being perceived as OP and those allegations being met with "no he's not try him and find out what's good against it" and well, not being able to. You know, if dota 2 cost 60$, I would've bought it and I'm sure many of the hardcore fans would as well. But competition is a bitch, and with LoL being free to play, dota 2 probably wouldn't be where it is today with crowd funded tournaments and a very respectable player base. If you really want a case study, I think HoN is the poster child for why this genre can't really be not f2p. If i recall correctly, I either got beta access or bought into it for $20, but the player base was very dismal, like less than 10k at peak (which is very similar to what Hots was in alpha). They moved to f2p, the player base increased, but they pissed off a lot of their original buyers as now heroes had to be bought, along with the spend more money to get it earlier and unbalanced... then dota 2 came out so now HoN is really a worse f2p option to dota. Smite is starting out well, just like HoN once was, it's pay once -> access all heroes on top of allowing f2p. Also, smite has unique characteristics that might carve its own niche in this genre, so perhaps their player base isn't trying to take players from LoL/dota, but can grow on its own. I don't know how well smite is doing player base or revenue wise, but their crowd funded tourney seemed to be well funded and watched. I also think having access to all the heroes in Hots would be great, but by no means is it absolutely needed to counter thrall or any other hero. Players in generally also tend to play the same core heroes. LoL has created a mentality, which for better or worse, that made players just use heroes they want and make it work. If you're gonna go pro, then you'll probably want to own all the heroes OR at least all the heroes of your role. So really, all access is a very nice bonus but also an illusion of choice. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:19 Godwrath wrote: Except specialist for me this rotation. Hahah, that quest is going to last a long time in my quest log it seems. Sgt. Hammer is a specialist  | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
On January 22 2015 03:19 ZasZ. wrote: Well if you are going to compare them, at least do it right. Buying into Dota2 got you 100 heroes and cosmetics! It's not really comparable. The $40 price tag on Heroes right now is for people that want to buy in, comparing it to the cost of 3 individual heroes is silly. 100 heroes that would have been free if you got invited or waited a while. While these HotS heroes would be behind pay/grindwall. I'm just saying that there's more shit in the HotS bundle than the DotA 2 bundle, obviously the only reason to buy it is the invite, but getting access to some of the worst heroes in the game and some cosmetic items is still a better perk than some cosmetic items. I do not approve of this business model and if it was up to me all gameplay content would be one time purchase and thats that. I just don't see why some people are so butthurt over the option to buy in the beta. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
If you aren't level 12 or 15 yet then you can use autoselect to get these heroes if you're intent on finishing your quest. Note that auto select is randomly choosing between the 7 free heroes and any other heroes you own so it may take a bunch of games to finish. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
I currently have all 2k and 4k heroes (except Sonya) as well as Brightwing. I might spend money on more heroes (2-3 of Hammer, Stitches, Thrall, Uther) to have a well-rounded setup for hero league. | ||
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