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Blizzard All-Stars Informational Video Series - Page 2

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Swish 41
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany154 Posts
September 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#21
So its Blizzard DOTA released with HotS? Was announed, but as I know Blizzard it could be released with Heart of the Void -_-
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 27 2012 04:01 GMT
#22
Blizzard All-Stars will be coming out sometime after HotS.
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
September 27 2012 05:30 GMT
#23
SIXEN !! :D

you'll always be my all-star
Fireblast!: "This guy is pointless and wonderful"
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 27 2012 06:24 GMT
#24
On September 27 2012 14:30 QuanticState wrote:
SIXEN !! :D

you'll always be my all-star

<3 State, .
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
September 27 2012 06:50 GMT
#25
On September 27 2012 11:31 Swish 41 wrote:
So its Blizzard DOTA released with HotS? Was announed, but as I know Blizzard it could be released with Heart of the Void -_-


Legacy of the Void.
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 07:02:48
September 27 2012 07:02 GMT
#26
Cool concept and all, but as it is, the game won't be able to compete with other MOBAS with only 16 champions, gimmped spectate (spectators lags, can't join during the game, etc).

I know you said Blizzard can potentially add more champs, and add this and that, but knowing Blizzard, this game itself probably won't be out for another year, let alone have the champ numbers and other features be as polished as the other games.
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
September 27 2012 07:09 GMT
#27
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever
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Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
September 27 2012 07:46 GMT
#28
Wait, so there is no lasthitting...? No denying is the primary reason i hate LoL, this is going to be rubbish :/
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
September 27 2012 22:32 GMT
#29
I can understand Blizzard's motives behind removing last hit and denying, since it really doesn't feel fun nor epic as a hero to have to sit behind towers and kill minions for gold. However last hitting and denying required a good degree of skill and attention to pull off, so removing those feels like removing a lot of depth from the game.

I hope they trade of the want to achieve, more active heroes on the map, earlier skirmishes and fights, actually works out well for them, otherwise it won't be worth it and it will feel dumbed down.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 28 2012 18:05 GMT
#30
On September 27 2012 16:02 Fubi wrote:
Cool concept and all, but as it is, the game won't be able to compete with other MOBAS with only 16 champions, gimmped spectate (spectators lags, can't join during the game, etc).

I know you said Blizzard can potentially add more champs, and add this and that, but knowing Blizzard, this game itself probably won't be out for another year, let alone have the champ numbers and other features be as polished as the other games.

It'll compete more closely with LoL imo, which afaik doesn't have the in-game spectating like DOTA, correct?

On September 27 2012 16:09 Flummie wrote:
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever

Actually, they removed it from Battle.net and put it elsewhere: http://us.media.blizzard.com/all-stars/index.html (aka blizzardallstars.com).

On September 27 2012 16:46 Nihilnovi wrote:
Wait, so there is no lasthitting...? No denying is the primary reason i hate LoL, this is going to be rubbish :/

Correct, no LH and no denies. It'll be interesting, for sure. The goal is to encourage early aggression, so you'll be focusing down the heroes rather than hanging out behind the creeps. We'll see how it goes. There's also the health-globe system that was put in place instead of LH/D, so it's possible you may still focus creeps... I'll get into that in my 4th video I believe.

On September 28 2012 07:32 Destructicon wrote:
I can understand Blizzard's motives behind removing last hit and denying, since it really doesn't feel fun nor epic as a hero to have to sit behind towers and kill minions for gold. However last hitting and denying required a good degree of skill and attention to pull off, so removing those feels like removing a lot of depth from the game.

I hope they trade of the want to achieve, more active heroes on the map, earlier skirmishes and fights, actually works out well for them, otherwise it won't be worth it and it will feel dumbed down.

Very true, however like I said above (and like you've pointed out) they're just taking the depth and moving it elsewhere.
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 19:47:33
September 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#31
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

Why is he trying to speak like day9?

I don't like crap!
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
September 28 2012 19:46 GMT
#32
On September 29 2012 04:43 Anta wrote:
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

I don't like crap!


dont look at the mirror

User was temp banned for this post.
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
September 28 2012 19:56 GMT
#33
I don't consider Blizzard Allstars at something that will even attempt to rival DotA (2), LoL or HoN - how could it.
So in that regard it's pretty good that they actually change up a lot of the design in comparison to those games. That way it's something different and I wouldn't feel like rather playing e.g. DotA 2 because it does most stuff the same way and better.

What's however pretty amazing about this is the art style and the whole cool heroes and units from all their franchises. That's just so effing cool.

I mean having Arthas battle it out with Kerrigan etc.?
You can bet your ass I'm gonna play this game here and there at least!
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
xHadoken
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States171 Posts
September 28 2012 19:56 GMT
#34
ehh. I think as an esport it will not go well But as a game I am looking forward to playing it!
Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier
Gfire
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1699 Posts
September 28 2012 20:14 GMT
#35
I think from an esports perspective it seems like the design decisions for Blizzard Allstars are good. Lasthitting and Denying gone, but they seem to be trying to add depth to the game in other ways to make up for it, and these ways seem to revolve around teamwork, space control, positioning, coordination. The sorts of things which are much easier to see as a spectator and also understand as a new player or viewer. Also less emphasis on items, more on things like creeps and capturing creeps and the like. It seems like this game will be more terrain-dependent and change with different map structures, which is one thing I really like about Starcraft and miss in moba games, so pushing the game in that direction seems great to me.

I also hope that the lower number of heroes is something people could accept, as it basically just means that they're really making sure it's balanced, and all the heroes feel really good and also really different from each other. Hopefully the fact that it's all these Blizzard characters will get people to play it even if the total number is lower.
all's fair in love and melodies
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 28 2012 20:25 GMT
#36
I didn't expect an informational video to be a sales pitch. Videos have an odd tone of selling me on all-stars and how great all these changes are going to be. I wasn't sold. I'll login and check it out when it's released but I can't imagine playing it like I do sc2/dota2.
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vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
September 28 2012 20:56 GMT
#37
interresting content. I'll be looking for next episodes. However it really seems like a promotional video (maybe just so really well made)
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 29 2012 00:10 GMT
#38
On September 29 2012 04:43 Anta wrote:
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

Why is he trying to speak like day9?

Day9 actually tweeted out my first video, so big thanks to him. I'm not "trying" to speak like anyone, I'm simply "teaching" what Blizzard All-Stars is all about. If you think I sound like Day9, then I believe that's a compliment, .

On September 29 2012 04:56 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
I don't consider Blizzard Allstars at something that will even attempt to rival DotA (2), LoL or HoN - how could it.
So in that regard it's pretty good that they actually change up a lot of the design in comparison to those games. That way it's something different and I wouldn't feel like rather playing e.g. DotA 2 because it does most stuff the same way and better.

What's however pretty amazing about this is the art style and the whole cool heroes and units from all their franchises. That's just so effing cool.

I mean having Arthas battle it out with Kerrigan etc.?
You can bet your ass I'm gonna play this game here and there at least!

It's got lots of unique/different features and Blizzard knows how to make an eSport (obviously), in addition to what you've just mentioned, epic heroes! These are the three major things that I believe will make this game compete with DOTA2/LoL/HoN.

On September 29 2012 04:56 xHadoken wrote:
ehh. I think as an esport it will not go well But as a game I am looking forward to playing it!

Morhaime actually said they'd be pushing it as an eSport, so it's definitely a possibility, especially because all of the features are already in place (spectating, replays, etc).

On September 29 2012 05:14 Gfire wrote:
I think from an esports perspective it seems like the design decisions for Blizzard Allstars are good. Lasthitting and Denying gone, but they seem to be trying to add depth to the game in other ways to make up for it, and these ways seem to revolve around teamwork, space control, positioning, coordination. The sorts of things which are much easier to see as a spectator and also understand as a new player or viewer. Also less emphasis on items, more on things like creeps and capturing creeps and the like. It seems like this game will be more terrain-dependent and change with different map structures, which is one thing I really like about Starcraft and miss in moba games, so pushing the game in that direction seems great to me.

I also hope that the lower number of heroes is something people could accept, as it basically just means that they're really making sure it's balanced, and all the heroes feel really good and also really different from each other. Hopefully the fact that it's all these Blizzard characters will get people to play it even if the total number is lower.

Exactly! I couldn't have put it better myself!


On September 29 2012 05:25 crms wrote:
I didn't expect an informational video to be a sales pitch. Videos have an odd tone of selling me on all-stars and how great all these changes are going to be. I wasn't sold. I'll login and check it out when it's released but I can't imagine playing it like I do sc2/dota2.

Hahaha, I wasn't exactly going for a sales pitch, but if it hyped you up and you learned something, then I've done my job!

On September 29 2012 05:56 vinsang1000 wrote:
interresting content. I'll be looking for next episodes. However it really seems like a promotional video (maybe just so really well made)

Thanks, I think? I suppose it's definitely some form of promotion, but I'm just trying to get everyone on the same level so there aren't any surprises come Beta, .
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 03 2012 22:07 GMT
#39
I've just uploaded episode 3, which covers hero stats and itemization in the game, .
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 03 2012 22:28 GMT
#40
It's almost as if you couldn't convince yourself all this simplification means it can still have competitive level depth. If you reiterate like 10x in a 10m video that "it's ok it's super simple guys it will have strategy!" Without ever really making a case as to how or why it could be even as deep as LoL, doesn't look so good. I appreciate the inside scoop on the games development but this video confirms it's a flop for my personal taste. It's like the moba genre is feeding for casuals now instead of making an amazing game. I'm not sure we can make fun of LoL anymore once this game is released, LoL seems like Broodwar compared to this mockery.
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