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Blizzard All-Stars Informational Video Series

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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 16:58:56
September 19 2012 23:39 GMT
#1
Hello everyone,

Over the last few weeks I've done a ton of research (aside from actually sitting in at the BlizzCon panels over the years and playing the game myself) and brushing up on my Blizzard All-Stars knowledge, and finally decided to begin my informational series for the game. I've been playing a lot of DOTA2 recently, which is what sparked my renewed interest in All-Stars. Sure, the game isn't out quite yet, but why should this stop us from hyping it up?

If you want to learn about Blizzard All-Stars, watch my series! I released the first episode today (9/19) and will be following it up with more episodes I've already planned out, covering known gameplay mechanics, heroes, items, and then of course, some speculation and suggestions.

Episode #1 - An Introduction
Episode #2 - Heroes Showcase
Episode #3 - Stats & Itemization
Episode #4 - Mount Mechanic
Episode #5 - Regeneration Globe Mechanic & Creep
Episode #6 - Tower Mechanic
Episode #7 - Jungling & Neutral Camp Mechanic
Episode #8 - Boss Battle Mechanic
Episode #9 - Lore and Map Design
Episode #10 - UI Review/Analysis
Episode #11 - eSports Features & Technical Aspects
Episode #12 - Recent Updates & Future Speculation
Episode #13 - Sigaty/Browder Interviews & Heart of the Swarm Beta Keys!
Episode #14 - Impact of Heart of the Swarm & Hearthstone
Episode #15 - Release Date Post-2013?!
Episode #16 - Score Screen Analysis Follow-up


Feel free to leave comments, questions, or concerns below. As always, I appreciate any and all feedback!
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
September 19 2012 23:42 GMT
#2
sixennnnnnnnnnnn! :p

User was warned for this post
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
September 20 2012 00:00 GMT
#3
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 00:14:26
September 20 2012 00:14 GMT
#4
On September 20 2012 08:42 GizmoPT wrote:
sixennnnnnnnnnnn! :p

hehe, hai2u.

On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.

It's going to attract a lot of casual gamers for sure, but because it is already in SC2, all of the eSports features and tools already exist and will be available to us from the get go: replays, spectating, etc. The only thing we need to make this an eSports is a community surrounding it and tournament organizers to organize tournaments. They aren't necessarily removing depth entirely, they're just taking it out of one aspect and inserting it elsewhere. There's still strategy involved, for sure (team composition, map control, countering, ganking, etc). It's all about that "easy to learn, difficult to master" approach, .
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 00:24:28
September 20 2012 00:23 GMT
#5
On September 20 2012 09:14 Sixen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.

It's going to attract a lot of casual gamers for sure, but because it is already in SC2, all of the eSports features and tools already exist and will be available to us from the get go: replays, spectating, etc. The only thing we need to make this an eSports is a community surrounding it and tournament organizers to organize tournaments. They aren't necessarily removing depth entirely, they're just taking it out of one aspect and inserting it elsewhere. There's still strategy involved, for sure (team composition, map control, countering, ganking, etc). It's all about that "easy to learn, difficult to master" approach, .

On September 20 2012 09:14 Sixen wrote:
but because it is already in SC2, all of the eSports features and tools already exist and will be available to us from the get go: replays, spectating, etc.

On September 20 2012 09:14 Sixen wrote:
spectating

StarCraft 2, where spectator lagging hurts the gameplay for players.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 00:27:23
September 20 2012 00:25 GMT
#6
B-Allstar will be really good casual game to play after laddering from SC2. One thing Blizzard did better than other ARTS games out there is hero model imo.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 20 2012 01:07 GMT
#7
On September 20 2012 09:23 chuDr3t4 wrote:
StarCraft 2, where spectator lagging hurts the gameplay for players.

It's only getting better, :p.

On September 20 2012 09:25 Wildmoon wrote:
B-Allstar will be really good casual game to play after laddering from SC2. One thing Blizzard did better than other ARTS games out there is hero model imo.

Possibly, I'd argue that isn't necessarily true though... Since you'll be laddering on All-Stars as well, .
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10345 Posts
September 20 2012 01:08 GMT
#8
wow, awesome, thanks for your time!
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Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
September 20 2012 01:12 GMT
#9
On September 20 2012 10:07 Sixen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 09:23 chuDr3t4 wrote:
StarCraft 2, where spectator lagging hurts the gameplay for players.

It's only getting better, :p.

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 09:25 Wildmoon wrote:
B-Allstar will be really good casual game to play after laddering from SC2. One thing Blizzard did better than other ARTS games out there is hero model imo.

Possibly, I'd argue that isn't necessarily true though... Since you'll be laddering on All-Stars as well, .

There are ladders and there are ladders I'm high diamond and working on masters in 1v1 but 4v4 I'm simply silver because i like doing weird stuff (and sometimes my random partners simply suck so hard that I cannot carry them).

I don't think I'll take any ladder beside 1v1 as "serious".
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
September 20 2012 01:23 GMT
#10
too many moba games for my liking, i think ill stick with dota 2
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 01:25:31
September 20 2012 01:24 GMT
#11
Have you played the Witch Doctor in All Stars? Is it Diablo-esque? <3

I can't wait for them to release this game feels like foreverrrrr~!
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 20 2012 01:27 GMT
#12
Where can I play BAS in the HotS client or in a BAS application?
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 01:38:51
September 20 2012 01:38 GMT
#13
good stuff.
I am looking forward to blizzard allstars. I like a lot of the things they want to do differently. Let's hope it turns out great.
They took quite some time for developing it (as usual).
also looking forward to more episodes from you.
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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 20 2012 01:39 GMT
#14
Not really into MOBAs but will check it out.
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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 01:44:13
September 20 2012 01:42 GMT
#15
I believe it won't be able to compete with LoL/DotA2. Obviously the following points are opinions, not facts.

1) I believe it will be a bit too simplified with the removal of stuff such as LH. I understand the thought process, I can't agree with it. It makes for a dull way of earning gold, and a bit boring after a while. It might be fun for the first 10 games, afterwards it might get annoying. (When I think about my original DotA Razor, a hero that I spent so much time working on getting good LH )

2) The hero pool is way too small. Sure their hero will be very diverse with no hero similar to another (well with 16 heroes I sure hope so), but in the end, I feel like it can't compete with the 100+ heroes DotA will offer once every DotA 1 hero is ported to DotA 2 (108, 107 if they still plan on not porting techies). You can find hero much more suited to your play style than possible in All-Stars. I don't know how many champions LoL has, but I believe it is also over a 100 right ? This will also make games of All-Stars very similar to one another.

3) The last point and the main one I feel, is the way the game is setup. From what I understand currently, the game is a custom map in SC2 right ? This means you actually have to buy SC2 to play the game. LoL is F2P, DotA 2 is F2P (Tho it currently isn't, the game cost around 5$ if you know where to look), even HoN is F2P. Every ARTS out there is currently F2P, with the exception of DotA 2 (ATM). SC2 cost maybe 30-40 $ ? It's a lot of money for a guy that doesn't own SC, or has no interest in it. It's a big turnoff. Finally the interface SC2 has currently isn't up to par with DotA 2's (don't know about LoL, I don't play it). In DotA 2 you can watch live games, replays of pro players without leaving the client, replays, a learn tab, cosmetic items. You also have the ingame store and the tournament ticket thingy (watch pro game with commentary from inside the client). You can observer on going game and so on.

I like the fact that game are shorter and that there is a multiple number of maps tho But it's not really that important all in all. I also like they are making big changes, despite my point number 1, I just feel like it's the wrong changes In my opinion it's not a good change when you remove instead of add.

P.S. What is the "Siege" hero type you were talking about ?
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 20 2012 02:24 GMT
#16
On September 20 2012 10:27 archonOOid wrote:
Where can I play BAS in the HotS client or in a BAS application?


HOTS and ot will be free , no need pay anything to play it.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 20 2012 02:24 GMT
#17
On September 20 2012 10:12 Tula wrote:
Possibly, I'd argue that isn't necessarily true though... Since you'll be laddering on All-Stars as well, .

There are ladders and there are ladders I'm high diamond and working on masters in 1v1 but 4v4 I'm simply silver because i like doing weird stuff (and sometimes my random partners simply suck so hard that I cannot carry them).

I don't think I'll take any ladder beside 1v1 as "serious".[/QUOTE]
Sure and that's your prerogative! But keep in mind, this cannot be played "solo," you're always given a team. There will be "grandmaster" level All-Stars players that are playing the game very well (read: competitively).

On September 20 2012 10:24 Chriscras wrote:
Have you played the Witch Doctor in All Stars? Is it Diablo-esque? <3

I can't wait for them to release this game feels like foreverrrrr~!

I actually haven't gotten a chance to play the WD, I think I played Kerrigan, ;O.

On September 20 2012 10:27 archonOOid wrote:
Where can I play BAS in the HotS client or in a BAS application?

The beta is currently not yet out, when it is out, you'll know, and it will be played on the SC2 client.

On September 20 2012 10:42 SpiZe wrote:
I believe it won't be able to compete with LoL/DotA2. Obviously the following points are opinions, not facts.

1) I believe it will be a bit too simplified with the removal of stuff such as LH. I understand the thought process, I can't agree with it. It makes for a dull way of earning gold, and a bit boring after a while. It might be fun for the first 10 games, afterwards it might get annoying. (When I think about my original DotA Razor, a hero that I spent so much time working on getting good LH )

2) The hero pool is way too small. Sure their hero will be very diverse with no hero similar to another (well with 16 heroes I sure hope so), but in the end, I feel like it can't compete with the 100+ heroes DotA will offer once every DotA 1 hero is ported to DotA 2 (108, 107 if they still plan on not porting techies). You can find hero much more suited to your play style than possible in All-Stars. I don't know how many champions LoL has, but I believe it is also over a 100 right ? This will also make games of All-Stars very similar to one another.

3) The last point and the main one I feel, is the way the game is setup. From what I understand currently, the game is a custom map in SC2 right ? This means you actually have to buy SC2 to play the game. LoL is F2P, DotA 2 is F2P (Tho it currently isn't, the game cost around 5$ if you know where to look), even HoN is F2P. Every ARTS out there is currently F2P, with the exception of DotA 2 (ATM). SC2 cost maybe 30-40 $ ? It's a lot of money for a guy that doesn't own SC, or has no interest in it. It's a big turnoff. Finally the interface SC2 has currently isn't up to par with DotA 2's (don't know about LoL, I don't play it). In DotA 2 you can watch live games, replays of pro players without leaving the client, replays, a learn tab, cosmetic items. You also have the ingame store and the tournament ticket thingy (watch pro game with commentary from inside the client). You can observer on going game and so on.

I like the fact that game are shorter and that there is a multiple number of maps tho But it's not really that important all in all. I also like they are making big changes, despite my point number 1, I just feel like it's the wrong changes In my opinion it's not a good change when you remove instead of add.

P.S. What is the "Siege" hero type you were talking about ?


1) This is why I believe the game will compete with LoL, rather than DotA2. My background in ARTS games is primarily DotA 1 and now DOTA 2. LoL, on the other hand, has had denying removed, and simply kept LH'ing. BAS is just taking it one step further.

2) Agreed, the hero pool is really small at the moment. It's launching with 16 heroes, but will expand over time.

3) Correct, as of current, the game is just planned to be an SC2 "mod," with a lot of support, and can be played on the Starter Edition (which means you don't have to own SC2 to play, making it virtually free). However, it will also be tied into the MMS, so you can "queue up" for an All-Stars game and be placed against people of your skill level, similar to Melee. Their long-term plans are to turn it into a stand-alone client though. As far as eSports/Spectator tools go, SC2 has a lot of them already in place, but yes, I definitely think they need to add the ability to spectate within the client. The good news is, a lot of people think this way, so if they do ever add this for ladder/melee, we'll get it automatically for All-Stars, .

The Siege Hero type is a role that is mainly meant for pushing lanes. Additionally, they can outrange towers. I'll get into it more in episode #2, where I'll be showcasing the heroes and their roles, . Great post though!
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 20 2012 02:34 GMT
#18
I dont like this "take down idea" Kill/assist is way better...
What i think heroes with AoE skills well be always overfeed , because they hit everyone and take gold for every enemy hero killed..and other heroes.. what.. ? must focus every enemy hero and hit them " once" to get gold.. ? or what ?:D
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 20 2012 03:17 GMT
#19
On September 20 2012 11:34 pallad wrote:
I dont like this "take down idea" Kill/assist is way better...
What i think heroes with AoE skills well be always overfeed , because they hit everyone and take gold for every enemy hero killed..and other heroes.. what.. ? must focus every enemy hero and hit them " once" to get gold.. ? or what ?:D

I was a bit skeptical at first as well, but think about it a little further. When you're playing in a game of DOTA2, you're all about playing for yourself if you're in a pub. You engage the enemy, someone else runs in and steals your kill by getting the last hit... Now you're angry. If you're on a pre-made team, getting takedowns is almost the same as just getting an assist, so what are we looking at here? Encouraging more teamwork for pubs and keeping the same amount of teamwork for pre-mades. Seems like a pretty solid system imo, .

As far as how they'll determine what should be considered a takedown, I'm not entirely sure. They may require you to simply be in the general vicinity. Another example: if you're playing, say, Omniknight or Dazzle, and you're literally just in the teamfight to heal your team and smoke out if necessary, then you don't be doing much DPS, if any at all. In DOTA2, if you don't get a hit on the enemy, you won't even get an assist, whereas BAS would grant you a TD.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 22:12:07
September 26 2012 22:11 GMT
#20
Just wanted to let you all know that I've posted episode 2, which is all about the known/potential heroes and their roles for the game!

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Swish 41
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany154 Posts
September 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#21
So its Blizzard DOTA released with HotS? Was announed, but as I know Blizzard it could be released with Heart of the Void -_-
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 27 2012 04:01 GMT
#22
Blizzard All-Stars will be coming out sometime after HotS.
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StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
September 27 2012 05:30 GMT
#23
SIXEN !! :D

you'll always be my all-star
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 27 2012 06:24 GMT
#24
On September 27 2012 14:30 QuanticState wrote:
SIXEN !! :D

you'll always be my all-star

<3 State, .
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nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
September 27 2012 06:50 GMT
#25
On September 27 2012 11:31 Swish 41 wrote:
So its Blizzard DOTA released with HotS? Was announed, but as I know Blizzard it could be released with Heart of the Void -_-


Legacy of the Void.
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Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 07:02:48
September 27 2012 07:02 GMT
#26
Cool concept and all, but as it is, the game won't be able to compete with other MOBAS with only 16 champions, gimmped spectate (spectators lags, can't join during the game, etc).

I know you said Blizzard can potentially add more champs, and add this and that, but knowing Blizzard, this game itself probably won't be out for another year, let alone have the champ numbers and other features be as polished as the other games.
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
September 27 2012 07:09 GMT
#27
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever
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Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
September 27 2012 07:46 GMT
#28
Wait, so there is no lasthitting...? No denying is the primary reason i hate LoL, this is going to be rubbish :/
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
September 27 2012 22:32 GMT
#29
I can understand Blizzard's motives behind removing last hit and denying, since it really doesn't feel fun nor epic as a hero to have to sit behind towers and kill minions for gold. However last hitting and denying required a good degree of skill and attention to pull off, so removing those feels like removing a lot of depth from the game.

I hope they trade of the want to achieve, more active heroes on the map, earlier skirmishes and fights, actually works out well for them, otherwise it won't be worth it and it will feel dumbed down.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 28 2012 18:05 GMT
#30
On September 27 2012 16:02 Fubi wrote:
Cool concept and all, but as it is, the game won't be able to compete with other MOBAS with only 16 champions, gimmped spectate (spectators lags, can't join during the game, etc).

I know you said Blizzard can potentially add more champs, and add this and that, but knowing Blizzard, this game itself probably won't be out for another year, let alone have the champ numbers and other features be as polished as the other games.

It'll compete more closely with LoL imo, which afaik doesn't have the in-game spectating like DOTA, correct?

On September 27 2012 16:09 Flummie wrote:
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever

Actually, they removed it from Battle.net and put it elsewhere: http://us.media.blizzard.com/all-stars/index.html (aka blizzardallstars.com).

On September 27 2012 16:46 Nihilnovi wrote:
Wait, so there is no lasthitting...? No denying is the primary reason i hate LoL, this is going to be rubbish :/

Correct, no LH and no denies. It'll be interesting, for sure. The goal is to encourage early aggression, so you'll be focusing down the heroes rather than hanging out behind the creeps. We'll see how it goes. There's also the health-globe system that was put in place instead of LH/D, so it's possible you may still focus creeps... I'll get into that in my 4th video I believe.

On September 28 2012 07:32 Destructicon wrote:
I can understand Blizzard's motives behind removing last hit and denying, since it really doesn't feel fun nor epic as a hero to have to sit behind towers and kill minions for gold. However last hitting and denying required a good degree of skill and attention to pull off, so removing those feels like removing a lot of depth from the game.

I hope they trade of the want to achieve, more active heroes on the map, earlier skirmishes and fights, actually works out well for them, otherwise it won't be worth it and it will feel dumbed down.

Very true, however like I said above (and like you've pointed out) they're just taking the depth and moving it elsewhere.
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Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 19:47:33
September 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#31
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

Why is he trying to speak like day9?

I don't like crap!
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
September 28 2012 19:46 GMT
#32
On September 29 2012 04:43 Anta wrote:
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

I don't like crap!


dont look at the mirror

User was temp banned for this post.
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
September 28 2012 19:56 GMT
#33
I don't consider Blizzard Allstars at something that will even attempt to rival DotA (2), LoL or HoN - how could it.
So in that regard it's pretty good that they actually change up a lot of the design in comparison to those games. That way it's something different and I wouldn't feel like rather playing e.g. DotA 2 because it does most stuff the same way and better.

What's however pretty amazing about this is the art style and the whole cool heroes and units from all their franchises. That's just so effing cool.

I mean having Arthas battle it out with Kerrigan etc.?
You can bet your ass I'm gonna play this game here and there at least!
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xHadoken
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States171 Posts
September 28 2012 19:56 GMT
#34
ehh. I think as an esport it will not go well But as a game I am looking forward to playing it!
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Gfire
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1699 Posts
September 28 2012 20:14 GMT
#35
I think from an esports perspective it seems like the design decisions for Blizzard Allstars are good. Lasthitting and Denying gone, but they seem to be trying to add depth to the game in other ways to make up for it, and these ways seem to revolve around teamwork, space control, positioning, coordination. The sorts of things which are much easier to see as a spectator and also understand as a new player or viewer. Also less emphasis on items, more on things like creeps and capturing creeps and the like. It seems like this game will be more terrain-dependent and change with different map structures, which is one thing I really like about Starcraft and miss in moba games, so pushing the game in that direction seems great to me.

I also hope that the lower number of heroes is something people could accept, as it basically just means that they're really making sure it's balanced, and all the heroes feel really good and also really different from each other. Hopefully the fact that it's all these Blizzard characters will get people to play it even if the total number is lower.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 28 2012 20:25 GMT
#36
I didn't expect an informational video to be a sales pitch. Videos have an odd tone of selling me on all-stars and how great all these changes are going to be. I wasn't sold. I'll login and check it out when it's released but I can't imagine playing it like I do sc2/dota2.
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vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
September 28 2012 20:56 GMT
#37
interresting content. I'll be looking for next episodes. However it really seems like a promotional video (maybe just so really well made)
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
September 29 2012 00:10 GMT
#38
On September 29 2012 04:43 Anta wrote:
What is this and why is it on sc2 forums?

Why is he trying to speak like day9?

Day9 actually tweeted out my first video, so big thanks to him. I'm not "trying" to speak like anyone, I'm simply "teaching" what Blizzard All-Stars is all about. If you think I sound like Day9, then I believe that's a compliment, .

On September 29 2012 04:56 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
I don't consider Blizzard Allstars at something that will even attempt to rival DotA (2), LoL or HoN - how could it.
So in that regard it's pretty good that they actually change up a lot of the design in comparison to those games. That way it's something different and I wouldn't feel like rather playing e.g. DotA 2 because it does most stuff the same way and better.

What's however pretty amazing about this is the art style and the whole cool heroes and units from all their franchises. That's just so effing cool.

I mean having Arthas battle it out with Kerrigan etc.?
You can bet your ass I'm gonna play this game here and there at least!

It's got lots of unique/different features and Blizzard knows how to make an eSport (obviously), in addition to what you've just mentioned, epic heroes! These are the three major things that I believe will make this game compete with DOTA2/LoL/HoN.

On September 29 2012 04:56 xHadoken wrote:
ehh. I think as an esport it will not go well But as a game I am looking forward to playing it!

Morhaime actually said they'd be pushing it as an eSport, so it's definitely a possibility, especially because all of the features are already in place (spectating, replays, etc).

On September 29 2012 05:14 Gfire wrote:
I think from an esports perspective it seems like the design decisions for Blizzard Allstars are good. Lasthitting and Denying gone, but they seem to be trying to add depth to the game in other ways to make up for it, and these ways seem to revolve around teamwork, space control, positioning, coordination. The sorts of things which are much easier to see as a spectator and also understand as a new player or viewer. Also less emphasis on items, more on things like creeps and capturing creeps and the like. It seems like this game will be more terrain-dependent and change with different map structures, which is one thing I really like about Starcraft and miss in moba games, so pushing the game in that direction seems great to me.

I also hope that the lower number of heroes is something people could accept, as it basically just means that they're really making sure it's balanced, and all the heroes feel really good and also really different from each other. Hopefully the fact that it's all these Blizzard characters will get people to play it even if the total number is lower.

Exactly! I couldn't have put it better myself!


On September 29 2012 05:25 crms wrote:
I didn't expect an informational video to be a sales pitch. Videos have an odd tone of selling me on all-stars and how great all these changes are going to be. I wasn't sold. I'll login and check it out when it's released but I can't imagine playing it like I do sc2/dota2.

Hahaha, I wasn't exactly going for a sales pitch, but if it hyped you up and you learned something, then I've done my job!

On September 29 2012 05:56 vinsang1000 wrote:
interresting content. I'll be looking for next episodes. However it really seems like a promotional video (maybe just so really well made)

Thanks, I think? I suppose it's definitely some form of promotion, but I'm just trying to get everyone on the same level so there aren't any surprises come Beta, .
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 03 2012 22:07 GMT
#39
I've just uploaded episode 3, which covers hero stats and itemization in the game, .
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 03 2012 22:28 GMT
#40
It's almost as if you couldn't convince yourself all this simplification means it can still have competitive level depth. If you reiterate like 10x in a 10m video that "it's ok it's super simple guys it will have strategy!" Without ever really making a case as to how or why it could be even as deep as LoL, doesn't look so good. I appreciate the inside scoop on the games development but this video confirms it's a flop for my personal taste. It's like the moba genre is feeding for casuals now instead of making an amazing game. I'm not sure we can make fun of LoL anymore once this game is released, LoL seems like Broodwar compared to this mockery.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 03 2012 22:31 GMT
#41
On October 04 2012 07:28 crms wrote:
It's almost as if you couldn't convince yourself all this simplification means it can still have competitive level depth. If you reiterate like 10x in a 10m video that "it's ok it's super simple guys it will have strategy!" Without ever really making a case as to how or why it could be even as deep as LoL, doesn't look so good. I appreciate the inside scoop on the games development but this video confirms it's a flop for my personal taste. It's like the moba genre is feeding for casuals now instead of making an amazing game. I'm not sure we can make fun of LoL anymore once this game is released, LoL seems like Broodwar compared to this mockery.

Well, I was addressing it because of various comments I saw in the first two videos, I finally touched on it toward the end, and it's still all about combinations. With only 4 inventory slots and 16 diverse items, decisions need to be made. Sure, it's not the massive about from DOTA, LoL, HoN, etc, but decisions must still be made was my point.
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 03 2012 22:52 GMT
#42
sometimes less is more
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:15:52
October 03 2012 23:06 GMT
#43
On September 27 2012 16:09 Flummie wrote:
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever

I think it's a possibility as well (the page was moved to another adress by the way, it was not completly deleted),it would hurt blizzard reputation too much to launch a moba and fail completly.
Games like dota or league of legends are interesting because or their depth and the enormous amount of combinations possibles. Simplifying as much as blizzard is doing it will make it dull in my opinion. It's going to be a game with a low mechanical skill cap (no last hit, deny, one hero to control), low complexity (not a lot of items and they seem straight forward). The only thing that is left is teamwork. So basically it's going to be a casual version of bloodline champion...
Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
October 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#44
On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.


In a multiplayer game making it simpler often times doesn't remove depth, take LoL for example everyone was upsett about denying not being possible saying that LoL is so easy etc, this is just straight out bullshit, in most good multiplayer games the games difficulty is determined by your opponent simplicity and depth can come hand in hand, in most games there is always something you can do to play better and aslong as these things are more than one then the game will remain deep.
Patiance is the element of succes"
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 03 2012 23:35 GMT
#45
On October 04 2012 07:52 GizmoPT wrote:
sometimes less is more

Nicely put, .

On October 04 2012 08:06 Jetaap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 16:09 Flummie wrote:
I think it is never coming out as it is awkwardly silent about this MOBA. THey even removed the page on battle.net long time ago so probably not being released ever

I think it's a possibility as well (the page was moved to another adress by the way, it was not completly deleted),it would hurt blizzard reputation too much to launch a moba and fail completly.
Games like dota or league of legends are interesting because or their depth and the enormous amount of combinations possibles. Simplifying as much as blizzard is doing it will make it dull in my opinion. It's going to be a game with a low mechanical skill cap (no last hit, deny, one hero to control), low complexity (not a lot of items and they seem straight forward). The only thing that is left is teamwork. So basically it's going to be a casual version of bloodline champion...

I completely agree, it'd look terrible for them to fail completely. In addition, like I've said previously, Morhaime stated they're ready to promote it as an eSport... And regardless, it's Blizzard, they won't horribly fail. Low skill cap and complexity would be correct, but again, it still requires strategy, you're only looking at it from the single character standpoint. As you did mention, there's still teamwork, which is a huge part of any ARTS/MOBA, as well as map control, hero builds, team composition, etc.

On October 04 2012 08:26 Tedde93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.


In a multiplayer game making it simpler often times doesn't remove depth, take LoL for example everyone was upsett about denying not being possible saying that LoL is so easy etc, this is just straight out bullshit, in most good multiplayer games the games difficulty is determined by your opponent simplicity and depth can come hand in hand, in most games there is always something you can do to play better and aslong as these things are more than one then the game will remain deep.

Also very well put, agreed!
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 03 2012 23:36 GMT
#46
Nice, thanks for these.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 10 2012 21:50 GMT
#47
Just put up episode 4, covering the new Mount Mechanic!

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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 18 2012 02:26 GMT
#48
Just released episode 5 covering the Regeneration Globe Mechanic & Creep:

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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 25 2012 01:02 GMT
#49
Just released episode 6 covering the new Tower mechanic!

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Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
October 28 2012 16:07 GMT
#50
On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.


People said this about LoL aswell because they removed denies, removing superficial things doesn't remove depth.
Patiance is the element of succes"
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 19:32:46
October 29 2012 19:31 GMT
#51
On October 29 2012 01:07 Tedde93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 09:00 emythrel wrote:
i think All-stars will be a good game to play but I don't think it will have the same appeal as an esport, especially to old school dota fans. Simpler is better to play if ur not hardcore about the game but usually it requires removing depth from the game, hopefully Blizzard can figure out a way to have both.


People said this about LoL aswell because they removed denies, removing superficial things doesn't remove depth.

denying is hardly superficial. it can have game changing outcomes with lanes so it certainly removes depth. whether it's an aspect that's worth removing is debatable but to say it doesn't remove depth is quite dishonest.
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CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
October 29 2012 20:08 GMT
#52
So if theres no LH/Deny why are there lanes or creeps?

Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 01 2012 00:14 GMT
#53
Just released episode 7, covering jungling and neutral camp mechanics:


On October 30 2012 05:08 CounterOrder wrote:
So if theres no LH/Deny why are there lanes or creeps?


For the Regeneration Globe system (which is replacing LH/Deny).
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AbideWithMe
Profile Joined October 2012
207 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 00:20:53
November 01 2012 00:19 GMT
#54
Where do you actually have this information from? Are you in direct contact with Blizzard? In which "phase" is All-Stars at the moment? How many people are playing it currently?

Where is the ingame footage you have from?
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Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
November 01 2012 00:46 GMT
#55
Hmm, can't wait until this MOBA-era blows over, if it ever will. Never really given them a chance though but never really felt like I wanted to either except for the fact that everyone I know seems to be playing them. FPS I love, RTS I like, MOBA I have no real interest in at all.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 01 2012 01:04 GMT
#56
I like the way they are changing things up. Can't belief I am interested in trying out a Moba game.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#57
Feel a lot more like Awesomenauts way of doing MOBA than Dota/ LoL actually
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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
November 01 2012 01:21 GMT
#58
Just re-watched the Blizzard DotA trailer, and it's reminded me about why, despite how much I hate Blizzard's balancing philosophies in both WoW and SC2, that I'm still a paying customer

"Seriously"
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
November 01 2012 01:39 GMT
#59
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 06:53:51
November 01 2012 06:52 GMT
#60
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).
Less e$ports, more fun
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
November 01 2012 07:43 GMT
#61
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 01 2012 08:05 GMT
#62
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
November 01 2012 08:14 GMT
#63
Is blizzard releasing a beta for this anytime soon?
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xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
November 01 2012 09:26 GMT
#64
if it has mounts . is all i need to know ! dota with mounts can you imagine ??
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 10:05:43
November 01 2012 09:53 GMT
#65
Only think I know is its Heroes look badass as hell. Better than all ARTS out there imo. I am quite sure Blizzard themself doesn't really expect this game to be a big thing. They don't really put much resource into this too. It is being made by SC2 editor and they said at Blizzcon that the team that is working on this project is really small. It seems like it will be just casual game that you get for free with SC2. I don't play play ARTS anymore because i don't quite like Dota2 as much as original one but I might play this casually just because I want to play as Illidan,Tassadar and many heroes I like that Blizzard could potentially add from Diablo/SC/WC. I am kinda interested in moving depth from L/d9 to health globe system too.
SuperHarryoBro
Profile Joined October 2012
31 Posts
November 01 2012 20:22 GMT
#66
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
November 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#67
On November 02 2012 05:22 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..

2nd of course WoW takes that
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PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
November 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#68
Are they still making this? I seriously thought this was an April fools thing. I guess I was wrong.
[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
November 01 2012 20:41 GMT
#69
I think its great they are trying a lot of new stuff, like the creep camps. We already have Dota2 if you want to play a more conservative moba game.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
November 01 2012 20:42 GMT
#70
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


I don't want to add too much negativity to this thread... but I also agree. If Blizzard wanted to get into the MOBA scene they should have capitalized on DOTA or had this game rolling 3-4 years ago when LoL was still in it's infancy and DOTA2 was just rumors. I can't help but feel that they disregarded the MOBA scene until they saw how absurdly successful LoL and to a lesser extent DOTA2 are.

At this point I don't see any way for them to compete with those 2 games, which both have solidly established communities. Once again, Blizzard is trying way too hard to innovate and instead will mostly likely end up with a dud. D3 and SC2 have left bad tastes in a lot of people's mouth and greatly diminished Blizzard's reputation as a household name. DOTA2 and LoL both have very active developers who are constantly updating the game and if the past few years are any indication, Blizzard Allstars will have none of that support. With only 16 heroes (?), a tiny range of items and a greatly simplified version of MOBA game play, I just can't find a reason to get hyped for this.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 19:19:28
November 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#71
Thanks everyone for the comments, discussion just makes things that much more fun, .

On November 01 2012 09:19 AbideWithMe wrote:
Where do you actually have this information from? Are you in direct contact with Blizzard? In which "phase" is All-Stars at the moment? How many people are playing it currently?

Where is the ingame footage you have from?

The information I'm relaying in these videos is from BlizzCon 2010/2011 and some recent interviews. I may or may not have contact with Blizzard, but the information is all publicly available. It's currently still in development, pre-Beta.

On November 01 2012 10:04 FeyFey wrote:
I like the way they are changing things up. Can't belief I am interested in trying out a Moba game.

Yeah, Blizzard is radically changing gameplay mechanics for All-Stars, .

On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.

Why not? Why can't Blizzard "keep up" with these games? All-Stars won't really compete with DOTA2 is my eyes, it'll compete more with LoL.

On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).

You aren't required to purchase Heart of the Swarm to receive Battle.net updates.

On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.

They kind of did capitalize on it, they held the first (to my knowledge) DotA tournament at BlizzCon 2005.

On November 01 2012 17:14 Highways wrote:
Is blizzard releasing a beta for this anytime soon?

It will indeed be released as a public beta, although I don't have any ETA. I'm hoping for sometime early next year.

On November 01 2012 18:53 Wildmoon wrote:
Only think I know is its Heroes look badass as hell. Better than all ARTS out there imo. I am quite sure Blizzard themself doesn't really expect this game to be a big thing. They don't really put much resource into this too. It is being made by SC2 editor and they said at Blizzcon that the team that is working on this project is really small. It seems like it will be just casual game that you get for free with SC2. I don't play play ARTS anymore because i don't quite like Dota2 as much as original one but I might play this casually just because I want to play as Illidan,Tassadar and many heroes I like that Blizzard could potentially add from Diablo/SC/WC. I am kinda interested in moving depth from L/d9 to health globe system too.

Well, that's actually not true, the game is turning more and more into a legitimate product; Blizzard is ready to support this game as an eSport, with a long-term goal of making this game standalone.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 02:40:20
November 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#72
Just released episode 8, covering the neutral boss mechanic:

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NonameAI
Profile Joined October 2012
127 Posts
November 08 2012 02:56 GMT
#73
On September 20 2012 08:39 Sixen wrote:
Hello everyone,

Over the last few weeks I've done a ton of research (aside from actually sitting in at the BlizzCon panels over the years and playing the game myself) and brushing up on my Blizzard All-Stars knowledge, and finally decided to begin my informational series for the game. I've been playing a lot of DOTA2 recently, which is what sparked my renewed interest in All-Stars. Sure, the game isn't out quite yet, but why should this stop us from hyping it up?

If you want to learn about Blizzard All-Stars, watch my series! I released the first episode today (9/19) and will be following it up with more episodes I've already planned out, covering known gameplay mechanics, heroes, items, and then of course, some speculation and suggestions.

Episode #1 - An Introduction
Episode #2 - Heroes Showcase
Episode #3 - Stats & Itemization
Episode #4 - Mount Mechanic
Episode #5 - Regeneration Globe Mechanic & Creep
Episode #6 - Tower Mechanic
Episode #7 - Jungling & Neutral Camp Mechanic
Episode #8 - Boss Battle Mechanic
Episode #9 - Map, Environment, and Lore (Coming 11/14!)

Feel free to leave comments, questions, or concerns below. As always, I appreciate any and all feedback!

They still havn't announced its release. Anyone remember 1+ yrs ago when they said it was coming out soonTM?
Any intel on the release date?
Awesome post btw, lots of info and im looking forward to it as long as it doesnt take another 5 years to make.
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
November 08 2012 03:07 GMT
#74
On November 02 2012 05:42 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


I don't want to add too much negativity to this thread... but I also agree. If Blizzard wanted to get into the MOBA scene they should have capitalized on DOTA or had this game rolling 3-4 years ago when LoL was still in it's infancy and DOTA2 was just rumors. I can't help but feel that they disregarded the MOBA scene until they saw how absurdly successful LoL and to a lesser extent DOTA2 are.

At this point I don't see any way for them to compete with those 2 games, which both have solidly established communities. Once again, Blizzard is trying way too hard to innovate and instead will mostly likely end up with a dud. D3 and SC2 have left bad tastes in a lot of people's mouth and greatly diminished Blizzard's reputation as a household name. DOTA2 and LoL both have very active developers who are constantly updating the game and if the past few years are any indication, Blizzard Allstars will have none of that support. With only 16 heroes (?), a tiny range of items and a greatly simplified version of MOBA game play, I just can't find a reason to get hyped for this.


Let's be honest, a lot of the LoL developers came from Blizzard, and league of legends was the exact same kind of innovation for it's time as Blizzard is attempting right now. That's an indication that they can have success.

It's managements fault and the fact that blizzard hasn't kept up with the times in software development methodologies that are at stake. Their game can definitely compete with other mobas, even at this point, if they can adapt.

Anyways, just throwing that out there -- I still agree with you, if I were at part of Blizzard I wouldn't be spending time on this trying to vie for Dota space either.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
November 08 2012 03:19 GMT
#75
On November 02 2012 05:22 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..


On November 02 2012 05:33 ChuCky.Ca wrote:

2nd of course WoW takes that


No, he hasn't lost it. It all depends on your time frame. If you use data from the last year it shows LoL has twice as many hours played as WoW does, of course I doubt he was talking about overall because that would mean factoring in the 5 years were WoW was already out before LoL and thats not counting the years were WoW was beating LoL. However, he is true if his statement applies to a recent time frame.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/
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McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
November 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#76
Wow I didn't know so much info was out for this. Thanks a lot for this Sixen! Can't wait to play it. Hopefully i'll get in on the beta
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 08 2012 04:37 GMT
#77
No last hitting... I was really excited for this until I heard that. And their solution is so terrible, the regen globes should not replace lasthitting x.x
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 08 2012 06:52 GMT
#78
On November 02 2012 05:22 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..


The last year LoL has passed WoW as the most played game. There have been numerous articles on that, here is one of them from forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/

Of course I didn't mean overall since WoW has been out since 2004?!

I mean that LoL has passed WoW in the last year.

archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 08 2012 06:58 GMT
#79
I'm really excited about BAS but I wonder how what kind of platform it will use?
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 09 2012 18:39 GMT
#80
On November 08 2012 11:56 NonameAI wrote:
They still havn't announced its release. Anyone remember 1+ yrs ago when they said it was coming out soonTM?
Any intel on the release date?
Awesome post btw, lots of info and im looking forward to it as long as it doesnt take another 5 years to make.

Unfortunately, I don't have any information about the release date. At their investor call the other day said they were still working on development and testing the game internally. I'm hoping to see a beta by Q1-Q2 of next year, but take that with a grain of salt, .

On November 08 2012 12:39 McKTenor13 wrote:
Wow I didn't know so much info was out for this. Thanks a lot for this Sixen! Can't wait to play it. Hopefully i'll get in on the beta

For sure! I'm excited for beta as well, hopefully it comes as soon as I think it should!

On November 08 2012 13:37 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
No last hitting... I was really excited for this until I heard that. And their solution is so terrible, the regen globes should not replace lasthitting x.x

Well... Sorta, kinda? They wanted to get rid of last hitting because it created a huge learning curve, they simply moved elsewhere making it less complex. It still requires strategy, but it's easier to understand at first, in my opinion.

On November 08 2012 15:58 archonOOid wrote:
I'm really excited about BAS but I wonder how what kind of platform it will use?

BAS will be rolled into StarCraft II (and rolled into the ladder), so it'll require SC2 to play. However, they'll allow it to be played through the Starter Edition of SC2, so it will be completely free to play. In the long-run, though, their plan is to make it a standalone product.
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eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 20:14:29
November 09 2012 20:12 GMT
#81
On November 08 2012 15:52 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 05:22 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..


The last year LoL has passed WoW as the most played game. There have been numerous articles on that, here is one of them from forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/

Of course I didn't mean overall since WoW has been out since 2004?!

I mean that LoL has passed WoW in the last year.




But these numbers are only based on Xfire's stats. Sure, LoL might still pass WoW, but still, it is Xfire. I haven't used it for a long time, and when I did I still did not use it everytime I played a game.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
November 14 2012 05:57 GMT
#82
Ever since I saw the blizzcon '11 video for this I actually got pretty excited for this. Most mobas feel kind of stale after a while, but I really like a lot of the innovation that they were bringing to the genre(takedowns, tower ammo, mounts, and especially multiple maps) and it made it look very interesting and a lot more engaging and fun. I wish there was more new info from blizzard about this coming out faster. Nice to see a thread for hyping up this really interesting take on the genre, really good work on the series Sixen. Looking forward to seeing more of this series.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 14 2012 06:11 GMT
#83
Argh, the lore is going to need to be really sick for Blizzard to ship this game to all of their WoW players.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 16 2012 03:22 GMT
#84
Just released episode 9, covering the lore and map design:



On November 14 2012 14:57 Fyrewolf wrote:
Ever since I saw the blizzcon '11 video for this I actually got pretty excited for this. Most mobas feel kind of stale after a while, but I really like a lot of the innovation that they were bringing to the genre(takedowns, tower ammo, mounts, and especially multiple maps) and it made it look very interesting and a lot more engaging and fun. I wish there was more new info from blizzard about this coming out faster. Nice to see a thread for hyping up this really interesting take on the genre, really good work on the series Sixen. Looking forward to seeing more of this series.

Yeah, I'm pretty stoked for a lot of these changes. Most of them are clearly pretty drastic, which will make for a really interesting new take on the genre, that's what I'm mostly excited about.

On November 14 2012 15:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Argh, the lore is going to need to be really sick for Blizzard to ship this game to all of their WoW players.

I'm curious as to what direction they'll take exactly, but I did outline what we know in episode 9 (above) as well as throw out a potential prediction!
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10345 Posts
November 16 2012 03:35 GMT
#85
On November 10 2012 05:12 eurTsItniH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 15:52 papaz wrote:
On November 02 2012 05:22 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
On November 01 2012 17:05 papaz wrote:
On November 01 2012 16:43 Talack wrote:
On November 01 2012 15:52 Leru wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:39 Talack wrote:
I kinda wish they'd stop wasting so much developer time on this

We already got HoN, LoL and Dota2 being worked on full-time and blizzard cannot devote an entire team to managing this to keep up with them.


I kind of agree, I don't see this going very far either.. It seems strange how they pick their priorities and it is once again too little too late.
I remember when playing Dota , especially in the beginning (I started ~ 2005 ) , that most of the players expected Blizzard to acknowledge Dota's existence and maybe make some patches that will improve some mechanics or stuff like that..
They could have bought it for a small price for many years if they didn't have their had stuck into the WoW money pot . But I guess this is Blizzard's MO - irrational .

So , yes, stop the development on this pipe-dream get that workforce on SC2 and deliver a full featured game as you should , instead of making people buy expansions for basic functionalities ( i.e. multiplayer replays).


Honestly I think blizzards biggest fuck up in the entire history of their company...is not capitalizing on dota, and now it's way too late.


Blizzard probably agrees seeing that LoL beats WoW in number of players/hours played and SC2 in e-sports players/price money/viewers.



Youve lost it if you think LoL beats WoW in hours played..


The last year LoL has passed WoW as the most played game. There have been numerous articles on that, here is one of them from forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/

Of course I didn't mean overall since WoW has been out since 2004?!

I mean that LoL has passed WoW in the last year.




But these numbers are only based on Xfire's stats. Sure, LoL might still pass WoW, but still, it is Xfire. I haven't used it for a long time, and when I did I still did not use it everytime I played a game.


Also most of these people doing this research tend to forget China, and how many people play there.

I'll try to find the source, but I believe it was that 10 million dota games are played yearly, while only 3 million lol games have been played in its lifetime.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 22 2012 05:48 GMT
#86
Just released episode 10, which is an interview review/analysis:

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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
November 22 2012 06:03 GMT
#87
Still kinda waiting for Blizzard Dota. )
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 22 2012 08:46 GMT
#88
On November 22 2012 15:03 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Still kinda waiting for Blizzard Dota. )

Soon(TM)! .
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
November 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#89
Just released episode 11, covering eSports Features, Technical Aspects, and some Q&A:

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Bashnek
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia895 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 22:07:23
December 03 2012 20:01 GMT
#90
is this still just stuff you're garnered from blizzcons/etc?

Cant wait for blizzdota ^_^
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
December 03 2012 20:13 GMT
#91
If this is any good they'll be really late to the market to get any kind of share. Hell, DotA 2 is already really freaking late to capitalize on the MOBA genre that League of Legends has already accumulated.

This game will have to be over-the-top amazing for it to even get off the ground.
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Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
December 03 2012 20:24 GMT
#92
omg this game looks cool
had no idea it looked like this

cant wait
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
December 04 2012 01:28 GMT
#93
On December 04 2012 05:01 Bashnek wrote:
is this still just stuff you're garnered from blizzcons/etc?

Cant wait for blizzdota ^_^

Indeed! It's a combination of the BlizzCon 2010/2011 panels, the behind-the-scenes press panel I was able to sit in, and some recent articles, .


On December 04 2012 05:13 Butterednuts wrote:
If this is any good they'll be really late to the market to get any kind of share. Hell, DotA 2 is already really freaking late to capitalize on the MOBA genre that League of Legends has already accumulated.

This game will have to be over-the-top amazing for it to even get off the ground.

I would disagree with this sentiment. Sure, being first is a good thing, but LoL took the market from DotA1, which took the market from AoS. As long as the game is good, people will play it, and when people are playing it, tournaments will run it, and with tournaments, comes commentators! :D.

On December 04 2012 05:24 Foxxan wrote:
omg this game looks cool
had no idea it looked like this

cant wait

.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 20 2013 21:29 GMT
#94
Just released episode 12, covering recent updates:

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[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
January 20 2013 22:19 GMT
#95
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
January 20 2013 22:22 GMT
#96
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.
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MarkCJ
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada239 Posts
January 20 2013 22:46 GMT
#97
Oh man totally forgot about this project. kinda looking forward to see how this pans out..
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#98
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.

Watch all the previous episodes, All-Stars core gameplay mechanics and learning curve differ from DOTA2. Also, as said above, the Starter Edition is free, and if they release it as a stand-alone instead, it will also be free to play with microtransactions (afaik).

On January 21 2013 07:46 MarkCJ wrote:
Oh man totally forgot about this project. kinda looking forward to see how this pans out..

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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 23:41:54
January 20 2013 23:41 GMT
#99
Sixen I've been watching your Blizzard allstar series since the beginning and what you've done is awesome, you really give out allot of great content regarding the topic. It might not be one of the hottest topics of the community but it's still fucking awesome!

Keep up the good work!
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 21 2013 06:08 GMT
#100
On January 21 2013 08:41 Integra wrote:
Sixen I've been watching your Blizzard allstar series since the beginning and what you've done is awesome, you really give out allot of great content regarding the topic. It might not be one of the hottest topics of the community but it's still fucking awesome!

Keep up the good work!

Thanks, I appreciate the kind words, ^_^.
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FLeK0
Profile Joined April 2010
86 Posts
January 22 2013 11:11 GMT
#101
Eurogamer has a new article about the game, no actual details just coming soon talk.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 23 2013 04:48 GMT
#102
On January 22 2013 20:11 FLeK0 wrote:
Eurogamer has a new article about the game, no actual details just coming soon talk.

Cool, thanks for sharing that! .
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LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
January 23 2013 04:50 GMT
#103
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 23 2013 05:11 GMT
#104
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
January 23 2013 05:53 GMT
#105
I really want to watch all of this... it would interest me greatly. I love blizzard lore, and if they're adding it in to the game that would be crazy. Does anybody want to sum up what is known or should I just take 1.5 hours to watch the movie? Either way I just glanced at one of the videos and thank you very much sixen!
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DeltaX
Profile Joined August 2011
United States287 Posts
January 23 2013 06:57 GMT
#106
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?



I think mostly because the game is not done. They still want to add things like guides, China as a region is not really in yet, and they are missing ~15 heroes still. I think once all the heroes are ported they will release it.

The second reason is that it puts a cap on how many people they know will join their servers at any one time. There are still a few bugs and some downtime. Consider if they released tomorrow and over a million people tried to log on. The servers might die like some other hot releases last year. If they can slowly ramp up that makes it a lot easier to get the servers in place.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
January 23 2013 07:09 GMT
#107
Personally, I hope this isn't a stand alone title... Mainly because I don't see myself buying many titles (does depend a lot on pricing). I like the idea of having it as a sc2 mod (arcade map) to play when I'm not doing WoL/HotS ladder.

Thanks for the video updates Sixen!
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 02:34:50
January 24 2013 02:34 GMT
#108
On January 23 2013 14:53 Alryk wrote:
I really want to watch all of this... it would interest me greatly. I love blizzard lore, and if they're adding it in to the game that would be crazy. Does anybody want to sum up what is known or should I just take 1.5 hours to watch the movie? Either way I just glanced at one of the videos and thank you very much sixen!

Sorry it's so long in total, ;(. I figured giving each episode 10 minutes or so would make them easy enough for people to catch up on if that were the case. Could watch one or two episodes a day for a week and catch up! :D.

On January 23 2013 16:09 DusTerr wrote:
Personally, I hope this isn't a stand alone title... Mainly because I don't see myself buying many titles (does depend a lot on pricing). I like the idea of having it as a sc2 mod (arcade map) to play when I'm not doing WoL/HotS ladder.

Thanks for the video updates Sixen!

As per the Eurogamer interview linked above, Sigaty confirmed the game will be both free to play (with microtransactions), in addition to being a stand-alone client (without requiring SC2).
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LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 02:43:02
January 24 2013 02:41 GMT
#109
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?


Because technically, the games still beta. You're buying early access, much like what happened with Tribes; Ascend. In addition to that early access comes with the game, you get several sets of aesthetics, which can be traded at any time. Also, with the early access comes more time to practice and be good, before it goes live.

Myself, I don't really understand why they're charging (apart from the aesthetics and early access), but it's up to them and going to be free later on. In my opinion, the games easily worth 100$. Obviously no one would charge that much, but I never played a DOTA style game before League 2 summers ago, and since the International 1 i've tried HoN, but got bored and since getting a key that November, haven't looked back.

Oh, also, as delta said, they don't have all the servers out too, so it helps with the costs of setting those up.
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antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
January 24 2013 03:02 GMT
#110
On January 24 2013 11:41 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?


Because technically, the games still beta. You're buying early access, much like what happened with Tribes; Ascend. In addition to that early access comes with the game, you get several sets of aesthetics, which can be traded at any time. Also, with the early access comes more time to practice and be good, before it goes live.

Myself, I don't really understand why they're charging (apart from the aesthetics and early access), but it's up to them and going to be free later on. In my opinion, the games easily worth 100$. Obviously no one would charge that much, but I never played a DOTA style game before League 2 summers ago, and since the International 1 i've tried HoN, but got bored and since getting a key that November, haven't looked back.

Oh, also, as delta said, they don't have all the servers out too, so it helps with the costs of setting those up.

They charge so the ammount of players with no idea of what they are getting into leave with a bad first impression.

They're making the tutorials and nailing the game modes/populating the store/fixing the bugs with a player base already loyal to DOTA.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 25 2013 22:55 GMT
#111
Just released episode #13 covering the Sigaty and Browder interviews, in addition to starting a HotS beta key giveaway!
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Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 22:58:08
January 25 2013 22:57 GMT
#112
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?


The percieved exclusivity makes it attractive and makes keys seem valuable. It's pure marketing.
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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
January 25 2013 23:35 GMT
#113
On January 26 2013 07:57 Solarsail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?


The percieved exclusivity makes it attractive and makes keys seem valuable. It's pure marketing.


Not really. Sure, marketing plays a part, but they do this for several reasons:

1. They want to make a full-fledged tutorial/training mode for new players. Dota has a huge learning curve and if everyone can play now, a lot of noobs are gonna have a negative experience and not come back. So at the moment what they're doing is quite clever. They let in people who are already fans of Dota or who are genuinely curious enough to get keys for it.
2. They also have to have time to set up all the servers. For example, Australian servers just went up in the past month.
3. They don't have all the heroes and content they want to put in the game yet.

I believe once all these things have been done to Valve's satisfaction the game will be released. The thing that probably takes the most time is porting the heroes and tutorial, since valve handing out so many keys probably mean they have the server capacity.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
January 26 2013 18:58 GMT
#114
On January 26 2013 08:35 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 07:57 Solarsail wrote:
On January 23 2013 14:11 GolemMadness wrote:
On January 23 2013 13:50 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:22 GizmoPT wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:19 []Phase[] wrote:
So what will blizzard all-stars do for me that dota 2 doesnt do? If they are indeed releasing it apart from starcraft aka not for free, I am not sure I would want to buy it, especially after the rather disappointing diablo 3. I definatly am going to play hots since there is no real alternative. But all-starts already has plenty of alternatives.


Starter edition is free.


Dota2's free on release, and keys are abundant enough that the game is virtually free. I have 9 keys left after giving some to my friends, and I haven't gotten half as many keys as some people.


I don't understand this. If there are so many keys available, why not just make it available to eveyone for download on the site?


The percieved exclusivity makes it attractive and makes keys seem valuable. It's pure marketing.


Not really. Sure, marketing plays a part, but they do this for several reasons:

1. They want to make a full-fledged tutorial/training mode for new players. Dota has a huge learning curve and if everyone can play now, a lot of noobs are gonna have a negative experience and not come back. So at the moment what they're doing is quite clever. They let in people who are already fans of Dota or who are genuinely curious enough to get keys for it.
2. They also have to have time to set up all the servers. For example, Australian servers just went up in the past month.
3. They don't have all the heroes and content they want to put in the game yet.

I believe once all these things have been done to Valve's satisfaction the game will be released. The thing that probably takes the most time is porting the heroes and tutorial, since valve handing out so many keys probably mean they have the server capacity.

It does have a bit to do with perception though, hence why they aren't calling it "Beta" anymore. Now it's "early access."
SC2Mapster Community Manager & Battle.net Forum MVP
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 11:28:49
March 03 2013 11:28 GMT
#115
Any news linking it to whatever Blizzard will announce at PAX?
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
March 03 2013 18:22 GMT
#116
On March 03 2013 20:28 Kakaru2 wrote:
Any news linking it to whatever Blizzard will announce at PAX?

I don't believe it'll be BAS at PAXEast; Blizzard sent the teaser image to WoW fansites only, SC/Diablo fansites did not receive them. This in mind, it leads me to believe it'll have to do with WC.
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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
March 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#117
On March 04 2013 03:22 Sixen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:28 Kakaru2 wrote:
Any news linking it to whatever Blizzard will announce at PAX?

I don't believe it'll be BAS at PAXEast; Blizzard sent the teaser image to WoW fansites only, SC/Diablo fansites did not receive them. This in mind, it leads me to believe it'll have to do with WC.
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Nimion
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2 Posts
March 04 2013 10:50 GMT
#118
do you plan a channel or something like this for people who can play the close beta?

love the enthusiasm you put into this btw! Gratitude from Germany
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
March 05 2013 08:52 GMT
#119
On March 04 2013 19:50 Nimion wrote:
do you plan a channel or something like this for people who can play the close beta?

love the enthusiasm you put into this btw! Gratitude from Germany

Definitely, as soon as I can get my hands on the game (and share this publicly), I'll be posting videos, commentaries, etc, up on my channel, .
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FLeK0
Profile Joined April 2010
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 22:34:41
March 15 2013 22:24 GMT
#120
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 23:10:12
March 24 2013 23:10 GMT
#121
Just released episode 14 covering the impact of Heart of the Swarm and Hearthstone:

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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
May 30 2013 21:45 GMT
#122
I've released episode 15 covering the previous ActivisionBlizzard investor call and recent updates:
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
May 30 2013 21:55 GMT
#123
Will never be released
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
May 30 2013 22:00 GMT
#124
With the recent restart of Titan and redistribution of staff and resources to BAS maybe we'll see it at BlizzCon this year.
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
May 30 2013 22:03 GMT
#125
On May 31 2013 07:00 digmouse wrote:
With the recent restart of Titan and redistribution of staff and resources to BAS maybe we'll see it at BlizzCon this year.


Source?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
May 30 2013 22:05 GMT
#126
Wouldn't surprise me if they postponed it till next year, Blizzard has always delayed games if they believed it could be produced better, or enhanced or if they it wouldn't be up to their standards. And quite frankly if they want to get into the MoBA scene (which they really do), then its best they go down this path, as releasing anything short of a revolutionary fun, action packed, and totally different MoBA, will most certainly not help them to catch up with the titans that are DoTA 2 and LoL.

I have faith in them, I'm sure this is doable, with the bright minds they have on their team, lets just wait and see, perhaps we will have an announcement at the next BlizzCon.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
May 30 2013 22:08 GMT
#127
On May 31 2013 07:03 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 07:00 digmouse wrote:
With the recent restart of Titan and redistribution of staff and resources to BAS maybe we'll see it at BlizzCon this year.


Source?

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/28/blizzard-delays-unannounced-mmo-until-2016-resets-whole-project-exclusive/
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=32460
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
May 31 2013 19:12 GMT
#128
On May 31 2013 07:03 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 07:00 digmouse wrote:
With the recent restart of Titan and redistribution of staff and resources to BAS maybe we'll see it at BlizzCon this year.


Source?

It's also in the video description, .

On May 31 2013 07:05 Destructicon wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if they postponed it till next year, Blizzard has always delayed games if they believed it could be produced better, or enhanced or if they it wouldn't be up to their standards. And quite frankly if they want to get into the MoBA scene (which they really do), then its best they go down this path, as releasing anything short of a revolutionary fun, action packed, and totally different MoBA, will most certainly not help them to catch up with the titans that are DoTA 2 and LoL.

I have faith in them, I'm sure this is doable, with the bright minds they have on their team, lets just wait and see, perhaps we will have an announcement at the next BlizzCon.

Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 19:36:58
May 31 2013 19:36 GMT
#129
The game will follow the D3 standard, every hero will have a unique "mana"-resource ;}
Scheduled for early 2030 release.

Sad to hear that Titan is rebooted, like I have not waited long enough to see atleast a screenshot from it
However I wonder if this will lead to more devs devoted to improving battlenet.
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
June 01 2013 07:04 GMT
#130
On June 01 2013 04:36 Nausea wrote:
The game will follow the D3 standard, every hero will have a unique "mana"-resource ;}
Scheduled for early 2030 release.

Sad to hear that Titan is rebooted, like I have not waited long enough to see atleast a screenshot from it
However I wonder if this will lead to more devs devoted to improving battlenet.

Hahaha, that'd certainly make for an interesting aspect, but I don't see that happening, .
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Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
August 08 2013 16:59 GMT
#131
.... Aaaaaand episode 16 is up talking about the 2nd quartlery ActivisionBlizzard investor call and a Score Screen Analysis Follow-up:
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Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
October 17 2013 21:14 GMT
#132
I can't wait for Ep. 17 with all these renaming stuff.
Sixen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
October 18 2013 00:40 GMT
#133
On October 18 2013 06:14 Kakaru2 wrote:
I can't wait for Ep. 17 with all these renaming stuff.

Yeah... QQ...
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12450 Posts
October 18 2013 00:56 GMT
#134
Omg are they moving the mini map on the right?
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