jade golems looked good, but also looked extremely slow. i think an aggro vs. jade golem deck will look pretty one sided whereas jade golem vs. control deck will favor jade golems.

Hearken

United Kingdom0 Posts

November 28 2016 19:31 GMT

#343

Interesting to note, we've still only seen 114 out of 132 cards.

We seem to be missing 1 from Druid, Hunter and Warrior, and 2 from Priest, Rogue, Shaman and Warlock.

Plus 7 neutrals I guess?

WindWolf

Sweden11767 Posts

November 28 2016 19:37 GMT

#344

All cards are up on the Hearthstone FB page. Time to start process everything

Inzan1ty

1163 Posts

November 28 2016 19:52 GMT

#345

Brode: "Hey Rogue's we saved the best at last for you"

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Melliflue

United Kingdom1389 Posts

November 28 2016 20:07 GMT

#346

Wrathion looks incredible for any dragon deck. For 6 mana you get a 4/5 with taunt that draws at least one card, and maybe a 50% chance of a second (and a small chance of more cards). Dragon decks are often weak at 6-mana and only have Azure Drake for draw so I think Wrathion would be an automatic pick.

Inzan1ty

1163 Posts

November 28 2016 20:21 GMT

#347

Surprisingly nothing else as broken as Doppelgangster and Jade Idol. There are quite a few "experimental cards" but overall only Rogue badly got the shaft, while everyone else got new tools to play around with.

I've always hated playing against Miracle or Malygos, but this is still a real shame, Blizzard wants to enable 'Stealth Rogue' but even a Hearthstone beginner can already forecast that this just won't be viable and will see no competitive play.

Dromar

United States2145 Posts

November 28 2016 20:47 GMT

#348

Yeah, I predict that people will immediately start playing around with Jade Golem decks, and people will become frustrated and eventually turn to aggro for the solution. Curving out aggressively will do well against Jade Golems; As they are getting a 2/3 and a 2/2 golem, you are hitting face for 4 and playing a 5/5 while buffing minions in your hand for future turns.

Existing control decks won't be able to handle all the Jade Golems, and control isn't even that favored against aggro, so control decks as we know them will cease to exist. RIP Tank Up Warrior.

Kazakus / Reno decks seem fun, but I'm not sure how they are supposed to handle Jade Golems, which I expect to be very popular. Even the stronger board clears that are coming in this set stop working eventually. And these types of decks seem even more vulnerable to aggressive curves than Jade Golem decks.

WindWolf

Sweden11767 Posts

November 28 2016 20:59 GMT

#349

I am getting the same vibes from Jade Golems that I got when C'thun was first shown in action. Remember when the game would come down to who would draw their C'thun first?

Kenpark

Germany2350 Posts

November 28 2016 21:04 GMT

#350

I still dont see how Jade decks are any good. The druid got Wild Growth and a free Nourish and it took still ages to win the game. The Paladin deck also seemed pretty weird. Kinda control/buff without any good minions to buff.
Reno Lock is probably the first deck I wanna build. Kazakus looks really strong to me. Even the 5 mana variant which will be prob used the most. Usually games slow down a lot the first weeks.

Inzan1ty

1163 Posts

November 28 2016 21:32 GMT

#351

Jade Druid is definetly insane once it snowballs. Remember they can run Reno too

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

November 28 2016 21:45 GMT

#352

On November 29 2016 05:47 Dromar wrote:
RIP Tank Up Warrior.

if thats the only thing accomplished by this expansion, it will have been worth it. boring deck and matches.

Dromar

United States2145 Posts

November 28 2016 23:10 GMT

#353

Some of the more interesting cards that got revealed later:

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Some very strong Priest cards. Maybe people will mess around with a new OTK Preist? Embrace the Shadow?

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Maybe a Pirate Rogue will actually happen?

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

November 28 2016 23:27 GMT

#354

greater healing potion heals only yourself or your own minions. so it cant be used as an OTK. unless you are committing suicide. can you imagine doing 24 points of damage with three cards and 10 mana (unreduced)?

Dromar

United States2145 Posts

November 28 2016 23:42 GMT

#355

On November 29 2016 08:27 dAPhREAk wrote:
greater healing potion heals only yourself or your own minions. so it cant be used as an OTK. unless you are committing suicide. can you imagine doing 24 points of damage with three cards and 10 mana (unreduced)?

I could. But then you crushed my dreams.

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

November 28 2016 23:47 GMT

#356

On November 29 2016 08:42 Dromar wrote:

Show nested quote +

I could. But then you crushed my dreams.

;-)

with flash heal, it would be 34 points of damage with five cards and 12 mana (so would need to be reduced). thats insane. imagine the rage! with velen the prior turn, it would be 68!

Inzan1ty

1163 Posts

November 29 2016 01:29 GMT

#357

Velen + Potion of Greater can't even be combo'ed unless after Emperor. But then it replaces Reno pretty much.

Shadowpriest with Shadowform, Velen, Potion of Greater, Raza The Chained, Embrace the Shadow, Flash Heal and Mind Blast is certainly at least worth a try in a fun deck. Don't expect a decent winrate though. I hardly get like 5 cards together to pull off an OTK.

Dragonfire Potion might help to stall out more games now though. There are still tools missing which this set didn't deliver to make Velen truely viable.

Dromar

United States2145 Posts

November 29 2016 01:47 GMT

#358

I'm really interested to see how Sylvanas holds up after all these cards come out.

On the one hand, I think she's one of the few really strong answers a slow deck can have against the growing threat of Jade Golems. On the other hand, there are now two 5 damage board clears which can undermine her efficiency, and two more reasonably strong silence effects (5/5 for 5 with silence for Priest, and a neutral 5/7 for 6 that silences a deathrattle) that answer her very well.

WindWolf

Sweden11767 Posts

November 29 2016 04:30 GMT

#359

On November 29 2016 10:47 Dromar wrote:
I'm really interested to see how Sylvanas holds up after all these cards come out.

On the one hand, I think she's one of the few really strong answers a slow deck can have against the growing threat of Jade Golems. On the other hand, there are now two 5 damage board clears which can undermine her efficiency, and two more reasonably strong silence effects (5/5 for 5 with silence for Priest, and a neutral 5/7 for 6 that silences a deathrattle) that answer her very well.

Also Bomb Squad and (memes aside) the new rager card.

I am actually glad that Sylvanas is getting some counters, as I feel that you could almost slot her into any slower deck deck for a really powerful Deathrattle at best, or pseudo board-clear at worse.

ViZe

United States1513 Posts

November 29 2016 07:00 GMT

#360

On November 29 2016 08:47 dAPhREAk wrote:

Show nested quote +

;-)

with flash heal, it would be 34 points of damage with five cards and 12 mana (so would need to be reduced). thats insane. imagine the rage! with velen the prior turn, it would be 68!

you could do 28 with raza. rip sweet priest

Also, weasel tunneler hunter???