EPTNew Expansion: Whispers of the Old Gods - Page 65
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Penlievskiov
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:52 Penlievskiov wrote: K Blizz, some Spike cards now please; I need to satisfy my deck building urges Okay I honestly believe that Yogg Saron may have some legitimate use in competitions. If blizzard was to print a card that was literally 10 mana 50% chance to win or lose the game. EVERYONE would run it. It'd be stupid not to as it could win you unwinnable games etc etc. In the same vein Yogg Saron is like a 40% chance to win 30% nothing 20% you lose and as a result its honestly not that terrible competitively given it can win you games you have no right to win. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3489 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:43 Adaurin wrote: The odds of Yogg just killing himself seem so high considering his health this just seems like a 10 mana do nothing card. I feel like Mind Controlling a totem would be a better use of 10 mana. I'm pretty sure he cannot kill himself, even if he casts Twisting Nether, it would resolve before he enters play, no? | ||
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itchiko
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On April 08 2016 04:14 ejozl wrote: I'm pretty sure he cannot kill himself, even if he casts Twisting Nether, it would resolve before he enters play, no? The creature body enters play before the corresponding battlecry is activated. Yoggy can definitely kill itself (and will plenty of time). | ||
Slydie
1935 Posts
-Vaporize -Earth shock own minion -Raven idol into a Stranglethorn tiger -Humiliate enemy 4-attack minion -Healing touch enemy hero -Forked lightning -Flame lance enemy minion I guess all in all... decent?? | ||
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Penlievskiov
Netherlands0 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:26 Slydie wrote: So what will an average 7-spell Yogg look like? You have 1 minion and he has 3 on board. I imagine smth like: -Vaporize -Earth shock own minion -Raven idol into a Stranglethorn tiger -Humiliate enemy 4-attack minion -Healing touch enemy hero -Forked lightning -Flame lance enemy hero I guess all in all... decent?? You can't flame lance heroes (; But I would like to see a thorough investigation into Yogg and I'm sure someone will do just that. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Yogg Saron simulation EG: Swipe: Deal 4 damage to an enemy and 1 damage to all other enemies. Tinker's Sharpsword Oil: Give your weapon +3 Attack. Combo: Give a random friendly minion +3 Attack. Confuse: Swap the Attack and Health of all minions. Holy Smite: Deal 2 damage. Demonfuse: Give a Demon +3/+3. Give your opponent a Mana Crystal. Execute: Destroy a damaged enemy minion. Redemption: Secret: When one of your minions dies, return it to life with 1 Health. Shield Slam: Deal 1 damage to a minion for each Armor you have. Drain Life: Deal 2 damage. Restore #2 Health to your hero. Fireball: Deal 6 damage. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3489 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:21 itchiko wrote: The creature body enters play before the corresponding battlecry is activated. Yoggy can definitely kill itself (and will plenty of time). Did not know this, thanks, so Ravaging Ghoul will Whirlwind himself, making him a 3/2. | ||
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Klowney
Sweden277 Posts
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itchiko
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On April 08 2016 04:45 ejozl wrote: Did not know this, thanks, so Ravaging Ghoul will Whirlwind himself, making him a 3/2. Ravaging ghoul is specifically worded to avoid this. It only damages other minions. | ||
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Silverspud
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Penlievskiov
Netherlands0 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:36 Drazerk wrote: http://yoggsaronsimulator.herokuapp.com/ Yogg Saron simulation EG: Swipe: Deal 4 damage to an enemy and 1 damage to all other enemies. Tinker's Sharpsword Oil: Give your weapon +3 Attack. Combo: Give a random friendly minion +3 Attack. Confuse: Swap the Attack and Health of all minions. Holy Smite: Deal 2 damage. Demonfuse: Give a Demon +3/+3. Give your opponent a Mana Crystal. Execute: Destroy a damaged enemy minion. Redemption: Secret: When one of your minions dies, return it to life with 1 Health. Shield Slam: Deal 1 damage to a minion for each Armor you have. Drain Life: Deal 2 damage. Restore #2 Health to your hero. Fireball: Deal 6 damage. Lol, that's fast, I did a 5 spell standard one: • Eye for an Eye: Secret: When your hero takes damage, deal that much damage to the enemy hero. • Effigy: Secret: When a friendly minion dies, summon a random minion with the same Cost. • Polymorph: Transform a minion into a 1/1 Sheep. • Betrayal: Force an enemy minion to deal its damage to the minions next to it. • Thoughtsteal: Copy 2 cards from your opponent's deck and put them into your hand. I dunno Kev | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
I believe that as long as they prioritize that the game is fun to play there will be a competetive scene. | ||
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Wuster
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On April 08 2016 04:05 Drazerk wrote: Okay I honestly believe that Yogg Saron may have some legitimate use in competitions. If blizzard was to print a card that was literally 10 mana 50% chance to win or lose the game. EVERYONE would run it. It'd be stupid not to as it could win you unwinnable games etc etc. In the same vein Yogg Saron is like a 40% chance to win 30% nothing 20% you lose and as a result its honestly not that terrible competitively given it can win you games you have no right to win. It's definitely a card that has to be seen in action to evaluate. I mean unless you really want to run gobs of simulations. Kind of like how the people cautiously optimistic about Mysterious Challenger weren't willing to commit to it being good without seeing it in action first (Savjz tried so many versions of Secret Pally day 1 iirc). | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
the fourth one was Vanish. | ||
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Hearken
United Kingdom0 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:14 ejozl wrote: I'm pretty sure he cannot kill himself, even if he casts Twisting Nether, it would resolve before he enters play, no? You are correct... | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:47 Silverspud wrote: Aviana + Nozdormu + Innervate + Brann + Yogg = *Monitor Explodes* Yogg's first spell: lightbomb. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Slydie
1935 Posts
http://yoggsaronsimulator.herokuapp.com/ Yogg Saron simulation EG: Swipe: Deal 4 damage to an enemy and 1 damage to all other enemies. Tinker's Sharpsword Oil: Give your weapon +3 Attack. Combo: Give a random friendly minion +3 Attack. Confuse: Swap the Attack and Health of all minions. Holy Smite: Deal 2 damage. Demonfuse: Give a Demon +3/+3. Give your opponent a Mana Crystal. Execute: Destroy a damaged enemy minion. Redemption: Secret: When one of your minions dies, return it to life with 1 Health. Shield Slam: Deal 1 damage to a minion for each Armor you have. Drain Life: Deal 2 damage. Restore #2 Health to your hero. Fireball: Deal 6 damage. I just did a little look. There are around 200 spells to chose from atm, with a few more getting added. The vast mayority is 0-2 mana, and less than you think involve any kind of damage or attack bonus. The ones that can kill you: Holy Smite, Moonfire, Frost Bolt, ice lance (if frozen), Fireball, Hellfire, Hammer of Wrath, Arcane Shot, Starfire, Shiv, Soulfire, Kill Command, Eviscerate, Dragon's Breath, Lightning Bolt, Lava Burst, Pyroblast, Forgotten Torch, Dark Bomb, Crackle, Lava Shock, Quick Shot, Living Roots and Bash. So roughly 1/10 of a chance to cast a spell that CAN damage yourself, but most of them only do 1-3 damage and need to hit your hero from all possible targets. Hitting your own minions is much more probable, so this card is best played from behind! This card could end up being a pretty good deal! The chance of losing does not seem that high, but idk about the chance of winning either. There will probably be quite some stuff like force of nature into hellfire, animal companion into bashing your own huffer and the likes. I dislike the caotic direction this game is heading. Blizzard often just recycle old spells and minions by adding more weird places where they appear, especially mixing classes. This is the posterboy of that! | ||
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Nakara
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