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XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
April 07 2016 17:18 GMT
#1261
Spreading Madness reminds me of Bouncing Blade in terms of usefulness.
Yogg-Saron speaks for itself.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
itchiko
Profile Joined November 2014
0 Posts
April 07 2016 17:18 GMT
#1262
Yes so much Trolden potential in both those cards.

But let's try to evaluate their potential:
Spreading madness is basically Maddest Bomber in Spell form. Mad bomber and Madder Bomber both have be played quite a lot in Arena so we can have an idea of what that will look like:
A semi decent RNG based board clear if you are behind. Or a desperate finisher move.
In both cases not reliable enough in any way shape and form for constructed.
Even if the Grim Patron + Spreading Madness combos can be fun to setup.

Probably a decent Arena card though but nothing crazy (pun intended ^^).

As per Yogg-Saron itself I have no idea this effect is the most RNG of any effect ever. It can do anything: so it's basically a full reroll the game. I supposed if you are in a good position to lose said game doing a complete reroll on it might not be too bad but since your board has as much chance to survive the issuing madness as your opponent's board does: you probably give him the initiative back anyway.
Overall seems really really bad.
Strangely enough it would probably be better if you did not cats too many spell this game. Let's say you have cast 2 or 3. The chance of it being an overall beneficial effect is probably higher that if you have 10 of them.
A decent amount of spell will be beneficial for you, but the more random spell casts the more that beneficial aspect has chance of being countered by something with a symmetrical effect: for example a decent amount a spells summon creatures for you but another decent amount of spell do symmetrical AoE that will kill them. Same with drawing cards a little is beneficial, too much can lose you the game outright by sending your deck into the nothingness and yourself deep into fatigue.

A fun card, I can see people trying it: but I will probably pass my turn on it and really hope that it never become competitive.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-07 17:20:32
April 07 2016 17:19 GMT
#1263
On April 07 2016 21:32 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2016 10:06 Acritter wrote:
On April 07 2016 07:48 Hellonslaught wrote:
On April 07 2016 07:29 Acritter wrote:
This is very different from Shahrazad, which is a fun and interesting card that gets stale fast (also, it's actually wicked powerful, we should note).

Now you got me interested, Shahrazad has an amazing weird effect, did someone find a way to abuse it?

Kinda reminds me of "Last turn" from Yug-Oh... very, very broken.

Also, One With Nothing had a cool effect that you could at least potentially use, even if nobody ever managed to actually use it. I'd say the best comparison for Monstrosity is all the incredibly bland cards that are just plain overcosted. Those are infuriatingly awful.

How about Wood Elemental? I guess it's not necessarily "bland" but in terms of cost...

I'm also building a silence druid right now lol.


Clicking the link, that card is from Legends... that set came out 25 years ago and people still remember the joke cards from it? Was it reprinted or something? I actually played from Revised Edition through Ice Ages. So Legends was the first expansion that came out while I was still playing. I actually own 0 Legends cards though because I was out of town the week of launch and when I came back boosters cost like $10 apiece and I was a little kid lol. This was during the first explosion of popularity for Magic iirc.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 07 2016 17:20 GMT
#1264
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-07 17:30:37
April 07 2016 17:23 GMT
#1265

XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
April 07 2016 17:33 GMT
#1266
I can't for Brann + Yogg-Saron suicide combo wombos.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
April 07 2016 17:38 GMT
#1267
On April 08 2016 02:33 XaCez wrote:
I can't for Brann + Yogg-Saron suicide combo wombos.

As if Yogg alone wasn't enough of a wombo combo
EZ4ENCE
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 07 2016 17:39 GMT
#1268
Interesting they use the term fizzled.

@Wuster It was actually reprinted in ME4. Just look at the artwork though man! You can't unsee that
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Nakara
Profile Joined January 2015
United States0 Posts
April 07 2016 17:39 GMT
#1269
Well with Yogg-Saron's arrival we truly know the end times are upon us, not only are the old gods descending but it's the second coming of RNGesus as well.
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
April 07 2016 17:43 GMT
#1270
Mutually assured destruction rogue incoming...
Inno pls...
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
April 07 2016 17:48 GMT
#1271
I predict that within 2 days someone (that is not myself) will compile a list of every spell that yogg-saron can cast and give an estimate of how good each spell is in various situations and give some sort of numerical value describing the approximate value of yogg-sarons battlecry.
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
April 07 2016 17:49 GMT
#1272
LOVE IT!
Yogg-Saron is a fine example of how all fun cards should be. Fits the theme as well.

On April 08 2016 02:39 Nakara wrote:
Well with Yogg-Saron's arrival we truly know the end times are upon us, not only are the old gods descending but it's the second coming of RNGesus as well.
lol


Priest
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 07 2016 17:50 GMT
#1273
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
April 07 2016 17:51 GMT
#1274
If someone plays a Yog-Brann-spell deck, I think it might just be the next Nozdormu-abuse.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 07 2016 17:56 GMT
#1275
On April 08 2016 02:51 Spect8rCraft wrote:
If someone plays a Yog-Brann-spell deck, I think it might just be the next Nozdormu-abuse.

If someone plays Yogg-Brann they can do whatever the fuck they want
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 07 2016 18:04 GMT
#1276
Real_Joy
Profile Joined January 2014
United States0 Posts
April 07 2016 18:07 GMT
#1277
So, yogg-saron is obviously bad, but maybe it could have worked in freeze mage if ice block still worked on your turn. Maybe still with some bizarre animated armor combo (with wee spell stopper in wild maybe, idk i'm trying to find a way for this to be good.) I do think that it MIGHT work in freeze mage anyways though, because of the number of board clear, creature only removal, and massive healing in the game, it could theoretically work like a tree of life+twisting nether, that will likely make you draw a bunch of cards. Basically it would be there for the really bad matchups and the already lost games.
Another possible option is a very spell heavy fatigue warrior where you just have ~80 health, and then you drop yogg-saron with relative faith in your ability to survive it. That is probably the only way I can possibly see YS being a somewhat consistently played card, and if that deck is strong I see YS getting nerfed/changed real quick.

The other option is that we are all improperly predicting the average magnitude of the battle cry and that it will end up being more along the lines of, some RNG bullshit plus I draw cards.

Also, I can't wait for YS to shadowstep himself.
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
April 07 2016 18:07 GMT
#1278
On April 08 2016 02:56 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 02:51 Spect8rCraft wrote:
If someone plays a Yog-Brann-spell deck, I think it might just be the next Nozdormu-abuse.

If someone plays Yogg-Brann they can do whatever the fuck they want

Can't argue with that logic.
Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
April 07 2016 18:34 GMT
#1279
I'm trying to imagine how insanely good a Battlecry would have to be for me to play a Ravenholdt Assassin without Stealth for 10 Mana...

Maybe something like...

Battlecry: Your opponent discards their entire hand.

I'm anticipating some good lols though, which is obviously the point.
Adaurin
Profile Joined May 2014
United States0 Posts
April 07 2016 18:43 GMT
#1280
The odds of Yogg just killing himself seem so high considering his health this just seems like a 10 mana do nothing card. I feel like Mind Controlling a totem would be a better use of 10 mana.
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