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On February 20 2015 10:03 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? i assume you mean face to face. lots of international contracts are drafted and executed without the parties meeting each other face to face. its really not that big of a deal. do you honestly expect a small team like tempostorm to fly out to korea, or fly magicamy to america to meet her before they sign a deal that is likely to be low value? i assume reynad/TS spoke to magicamy on skype, or communicated with her before she signed on to the team. and i am not sure why anyone would think thats not sufficient for such low stakes contracting.
honestly the best way to tell is either for her to play in a live event with pros or even simply having an extensive video interview with her on skype about things like meta deckbuilding etc. to see if she really is the magicamy
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Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
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On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote:
Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
Well I think that a lot of proof has been put out against her is the point? She hasn't just been blindly accused or this wouldn't have even got this much attention. If the proof against her really is condemning then she'd at least want to refute it.
Anyways, I couldn't even begin to evaluate the "proof" here, at least as far as that whole imgur album goes. It all seems very convoluted and I'm not sure what it implies besides that she has various accounts connecting her with some Canadian guy she's dated.. which means all of nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has no involvement in this at all.
More interesting is just that this whole thing seems to have unveiled how she manipulated a bunch of nerds for money, and Tarei (I believe?) even stating that he's played for her. So I don't really see how she comes out of this on top at this point.
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On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this?
You mean like how Reynad signed some European guy named Gaara? Or Cloud9 with Kolento?
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
yeah that was cringe worthy lol
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
Holy crap I actually feel sad how pathetic that guy is. 5k on a girl he never met that moved off to someone else.
I'd cut that loss and just hid under a rock.
On topic while I don't particularly care and didn't really take a look at all the "evidence" it seems like a rather stupid plan ruining every chance of ever getting anywhere in that industry for a couple quick tempostorm bucks but well maybe I am missing something.
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Hmm, interesting to see how this develops. What's strange to me is how you could possibly scam someone out of 5000$(Celerity). Or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't send any money to girls I have a long distance relationship with. Asking for money is an immediate red flag in all cases... As far as I'm concerned, that's completely his own fault. Also, moving to live with someone you've never met? I could never do something like that. Personally, I would go see her myself, and turn it into a vacation if such a thing did happen(fraud). Sending money for a plane ticket just makes no sense to me - She should pay for those herself, just like you would pay for yours. Can't really even blame her for that specific case.
On the other hand, the tournament stuff is far more serious to me and I hope it turns out all right for Reynad and co. While Reynad might have his faults, he does come off as an honest person to me and I hope this doesn't ruin his team's reputation. Still, it's probably best to just wait for the conclusion.
On February 20 2015 12:07 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? You mean like how Reynad signed some European guy named Gaara? Or Cloud9 with Kolento? What's different here, I believe, is that they actually have been going to tournaments and have been confirmed to be real people.
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Bunch of mostly meaningless and PR stuff, the only important thing there is
Upon learning the entire story, Tempo Storm offered to fully support MagicAmy in an attempt to clear her name by addressing the public immediately by having her compete in an offline tournament. Hyerim, however, has decided to take a leave of absence from Hearthstone and answer these issues on her own.
So yeah, she had a choice to either finally attending an offline event or leaving HS/progaming. Attending some small tournament, especially with TS' support never would be a problem unless it weren't some "shady" stuff. Seems like that poster from reddit was right, she will NEVER stream or play at offline tournament and when the only choice she had was either do it or leave, she just left.
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well I'm not entirely convinced by the chaptes about "there was evidence that she was botting or at least heavily interested in improving the bots but if she did bot Blizzard woulda banned her so we think she didn't" and "we don't think she was win trading or having someone play for her else Blizzard woulda banned her so we think she didn't".
Very sad to see the active roster shrink down to 3 T/S players. Also still disappointed MagicAmy won't attend ESL LAN finals 
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to be honest, if I was a legit MagicAmy I propably would have done the same. It's just too much hate from all sides as well as some nasty stuff (a daily dot article published a skype accout name, wtf?) invading her privacy.
I'm not saying she's innocent but when you have the community against you once (or get the feeling you do), I fell it's pretty hard to hold on and work through it.
Celerity's situation is just his own fault, albeit not pretty for him :/
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On February 20 2015 19:58 schaf wrote:
to be honest, if I was a legit MagicAmy I propably would have done the same. It's just too much hate from all sides as well as some nasty stuff (a daily dot article published a skype accout name, wtf?) invading her privacy.
I'm not saying she's innocent but when you have the community against you once (or get the feeling you do), I fell it's pretty hard to hold on and work through it.
Celerity's situation is just his own fault, albeit not pretty for him :/
I agree. At this point she can't "win" anymore. Sure she might go to ESL win a few hundred or thousand €/$ whatever and prove the doubters wrong. And then? The whole internet is going to pressure her to pay those guys back that gave her money when she was in a bad situation. (It would be the right thing to do but that's not my point.)
If she wanted to be a respected part of the community she would probably need to pay the money back she got from somebody, make them spread the information on the internet and qualify at a byoc lan with a 1000 people open bracket to show that she's a respectable person and a fine player. Just doing one of these things the internet would just jump to the next point and criticize her.
That's quite a lot to go through for an amateur/semi-professional.
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
The dude got balls, a wierd set of them, but still balls. I would never have the guts to show people how fooled I got.
But if you got 5000$ to spend on a internet gf the you probably lives a pretty good and easy life. I would like to welcome him to the real world haha!
As I wrote before, Amy was just hustlin' fools left and right, can't hate her for that. Some of us have it harder here in life.
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On February 20 2015 06:33 Numy wrote:
Do people even read up on the magicamy drama before making all these sexism claims? Can't believe any rational people will believe it's just some anti-female thing instead of all the shady stuff she's done along with the evidence of the online presence of magicamy being two people.
To some people anything negative against a female is definitely sexist. Most of those same people will also call you a racist for criticizing the President. Thank colleges and universities for brainwashing generations of kids into believing if you're not a white male you are definitely a victim of white males.
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FINALLY some drama, laugh it
also from the dailydot article
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longest title in esports
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On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that?
Maybe? I mean we don't know the entire story and I don't want to speculate (and inevitably get accused of white knighting by someone :eyeroll: ), but can we agree that relationships can get messy?
It looks like this is the same attitude that TS took in their press release and why Reynad "didn't care" when Celerity told him he had dirt on MagicAmy.
In any case, this entire thing seems to have turned into a lot of conflated rumors. No one actually accused MagicAmy of not being a high level player, but whether she was actually a pro-caliber player. Yet you have multiple posters here assuming she couldn't even beat the easy AI without someone's help. Not to mention people calling her out as a fraud based on her power rankings differing from his opinions despite being similar to other pro players' rankings.
So ya, I dunno what she can possibly have done from this situation, it's pretty hard to disprove these sorts of allegations in the first place (is it even possible to disprove botting / win-trading?), . I don't think going to an offline event would have silenced the doubters either cuz of the deckbuilding (which no one does in isolation anyways) and rng involved in Hearthstone.
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I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public.
then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there!
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On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote:
I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public.
then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there!
I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion.
According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations.
Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud.
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On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote:
I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public.
then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud.
** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke.
Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action.
And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event.
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