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United States8476 Posts
This weekend, the ESL Legendary Series Season 1 Finals were planned to be held, but at least one participant will not be arriving in California for the LAN finals. A few hours ago, Eric Brinkley of ESL America posted the following on Twitter:
Magicamy is known for being one of the absolute best and one of the only female players in Hearthstone. She is also known for her large following on Twitch where she frequents the channels of many popular streamers. Magicamy had earned her place in the finals by winning week 6 of the Legendary Series, defeating Trump, FlyBird, and her teammate, Hyped, along the way. This was just a mere few days after joining Tempo Storm, which gave her victory even more hype. Because she will miss the tournament this weekend, she won't get a chance to meet up with her Tempo Storm teammates, Frodan and Reynad, who will be casting the tournament.
Replacing Magicamy will be Max, a lesser known British player, but not one who's devoid of accomplishments. Some of his more notable ones include:
- Top 16 Blizzcon EU Finals
- Qualified for EU vs CN #2
- First place ESL Legendary Series Week #2
For more information on the tournament this weekend, check the Liquipedia article on the ESL Legendary Series.
This weekend will be a Magicamyless one.
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That is sad. I was really looking forward to see her play in the tournament. 
Good luck to Max, though! Still looking forward to it.
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On February 18 2015 20:56 monk wrote: ..and one of the only female players in Hearthstone.
Not only is this bad grammar, is it also untrue.
Hope all is well with Amy.
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Poll: Your disappointment level ?3. Max (57) 67% 1. minimal (24) 28% 2. medium (4) 5% 85 total votes Your vote: Your disappointment level ? (Vote): 1. minimal (Vote): 2. medium (Vote): 3. Max
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The "personal issue" was really just a visa issue apparently [–]magicamy 151 points 8 hours ago Little issue with the visa... I'm upset and sad I won't be able to make it this time around, but I will do my best to participate in future LAN events including the next ESL. Sorry for all those who wanted to see me... I will make up for it somehow
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United States8476 Posts
On February 19 2015 01:10 Shoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 20:56 monk wrote: ..and one of the only female players in Hearthstone. Not only is this bad grammar, is it also untrue. Hope all is well with Amy. The grammar is fine. Also, I could have been more specific, but it's true that she's one of the only female players in the western competitive Hearthstone scene.
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at least now we know where Veralynn went :p i'm very disappointed, was excited to finally get to see her play in a LAN then again, the only time I found her in a twitch chat was when she made a joke involving a specific US adult video site that I can't remember (and had to look up in the first place to figure out what she was talking about). Which was VERY weird to me. But I can understand that being in twitch chat for so long will give you cancer eventually, so who knows.
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Hmm do you rememeber when Hafu was invited to that WCA? tournament and she... couldn't go ?
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Oh my god. Chakki and others posting "proofs" that magicamy is two persons over twitter: http://imgur.com/a/7fsWY
Crazy day for HS, eh.
Edit. Sorry, I’ll stop posting stuff like this around here. It is just so damn funny I couldn’t resist. ;-)
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On February 19 2015 03:47 greenguru wrote:Oh my god. Chakki and others posting "proofs" that magicamy is two persons over twitter: http://imgur.com/a/7fsWYCrazy day for HS, eh. Edit. Sorry, I’ll stop posting stuff like this around here. It is just so damn funny I couldn’t resist. ;-) Dang, the plot thickens.
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Owww shiet. This is intense
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didnt she do skype while she was playing ESL legendary series? if that was faked, it was pretty good because she reacted right after a good play and beating trump (?).
still, pretty funny and par for the course if she is actually a he....internet....
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On February 19 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:didnt she do skype while she was playing ESL legendary series? if that was faked, it was pretty good because she reacted right after a good play and beating trump (?). still, pretty funny and par for the course if she is actually a he....internet....
Yeah, she was on Skype for the ESL series, but the guy is accusing magicamy of being two persons: a female in front of the cam, and a male (from Montreal! hello, neighbor) actually playing the game.
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If the "2 person" accusation pans out to be true, I really hope Reynad wasn't in the know... I like Reynad, so I'll lean towards Reynad being taken for a ride along with the rest of us... Chakki feels this could be the case:
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I just hope it’s some good old reddit drama. This is too funny to be true.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Hearthstone has some weird drama compared to other esports.
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something similar happened in SC2 also. don't remember the players name though
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Wow Chakki helping TempoStorm learning the truth. This is ... unexpected ... .
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On February 19 2015 04:38 Kipsate wrote: Hearthstone has some weird drama compared to other esports.
Nothing exceptional, SC2 had people pulling the exact same stunt
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News from Frodan:
Well, this is quite the crazy morning! Rest assured, we are as eager to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.
We will do a full investigation on these accusations and report back once we have definitive conclusive evidence.
That said, while it may look circumstantially suspicious, we support Amy as we believe people are innocent until proven guilty. She's been a valuable member of the team thus far and done everything we have asked of her.
At the moment, there are lots of moving parts to what is going on with Tempo Storm behind the scenes such as moving in our Heroes team to their brand new gaming house, finalizing LOTA3 details, and expanding our site, but we will prioritize gathering as much data about this as possible and reporting what we find.
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Good statement by Frodan. It is always possible that the guy just manages all her stuff but unlikely given how much dirt has been dug up.
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༼ ▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ ༽ It's been said that you can see the real magicamy if you look closely enough into Hosty's picture frame ༼▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ ༽
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Interesting morning in the world of Hearthstone E-sports....lol
The threads on reddit about this are getting deleted very fast haha
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Frodan needs to get picked up by a big multi national company to work in PR he's too good for a small team.
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This got hilarious fast.
And yes, 'one of the only' is bad grammar.
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inb4 this is all fake publicity by tempostorm so magicamy racks up 50k viewers when she finally streams
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I remember one tournament when some lady played Kolento, eating apple, looking completly unimpressed who she plays with and winning 3:1. I wonder who really played that day
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Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt.
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i think at this point it's best not to jump to any conclusions and wait to see what happens. weird though
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On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt.
That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight,
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On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, White Knights somehow look even more pathetic in this case, than they usually do. It's not so bad in Liquidhearth, we had how many, one case total? But just check official Hearthstone forums at battle net.... Time to sleep, I hope by tomorrows morning this thing will be clarified.
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On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. I mean yeah, why hold people accountable for their actions regardless of gender when we can attack those exposing their lies and deceit? Oh wait...
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So the reddit post was removed and all the images in Chakki's album were taken down too.
Anyone want to summarize the proof? The reddit responses seemed to make it sound like Specialists didn't have any real proof other than hunches.
That said, the only time I've seen Magicamy was in the ESL weekly she won and the webcam wasn't just on her face. I recall you could see her arms moving around to play. Of course if you could and would hoax that too if you were covering all your bases.
But it just seems so elaborate (especially to beat a teammate for a spot in a tourney you can't actually attend, except unless she's absolutely terrible at the game she could still go and have an 'off' day and no one would accuse her of being two people).
Edit: Actually I found an article summarizing things: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hearthstone-magic-amy-hyerim-lee-identity/
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On February 19 2015 05:46 Shoxy wrote: This got hilarious fast.
And yes, 'one of the only' is bad grammar.
Are you suggesting that it should say something like "one of the few" or "one of a limited number?"
Saying the grammar is bad without proposing a change doesn't really demonstrate that you understand the correct grammar usage.
For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with "one of the only." I don't see how it's any different from saying "one of the best" or "one of the most talented." "Only," "best," and "most" are all words that imply there is only one, but in this context they all seem fine.
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On February 19 2015 08:37 Wuster wrote: So the reddit post was removed and all the images in Chakki's album were taken down too.
Anyone want to summarize the proof? The reddit responses seemed to make it sound like Specialists didn't have any real proof other than hunches.
That said, the only time I've seen Magicamy was in the ESL weekly she won and the webcam wasn't just on her face. I recall you could see her arms moving around to play. Of course if you could and would hoax that too if you were covering all your bases.
But it just seems so elaborate (especially to beat a teammate for a spot in a tourney you can't actually attend, except unless she's absolutely terrible at the game she could still go and have an 'off' day and no one would accuse her of being two people).
Chakki posted some skype and IRC IDs of Amy's that matched with some canadian guy, JAB has said Amy conned him into playing for her and giving her money. A facebook and twitter account of said canadian guy also used the ID magicamy and now various other people are saying she conned them into playing for her.
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Whoa. The girl's a hustler, gotta respect that...Gotta do what you gotta do! I first felt bad for all the guys she got money from, but then..nah. Hustle 'til you die
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Forsen said on stream that him and several other pros had their suspicions in part because she refused to join their Skype circles, always using a really flimsy excuse, but didn't have enough evidence to come forward.
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On February 19 2015 08:52 Daralii wrote: Forsen said on stream that him and several other pros had their suspicions in part because she refused to join their Skype circles, always using a really flimsy excuse, but didn't have enough evidence to come forward.
Why would she dodge their calls when other people claims they spoke to her often and that she had a good knowledge of HS, I mean what would she be afraid of? She just might not wanted to speak to Forsen and them, I wouldn't atleast..You would probably lose more braincells from a skypeconvo with cancer Forsen then smoking crack and getting into a fistfight with the thugs who sold you the rocks..
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On February 19 2015 09:00 Angryhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:52 Daralii wrote: Forsen said on stream that him and several other pros had their suspicions in part because she refused to join their Skype circles, always using a really flimsy excuse, but didn't have enough evidence to come forward. Why would she dodge their calls when other people claims they spoke to her often and that she had a good knowledge of HS, I mean what would she be afraid of? She just might not wanted to speak to Forsen and them, I wouldn't atleast..You would probably lose more braincells from a skypeconvo with cancer Forsen then smoking crack and getting into a fistfight with the thugs who sold you the rocks..
dont be a roleplayer
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he's missing out on hundreds of dollars in "hilarious" troll donations
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On February 19 2015 09:03 Cheren wrote:he's missing out on hundreds of dollars in "hilarious" troll donations Probably missing out on thousands. He made a shit laod of cash last time he did that text to speech donation thing. If he did that again and now.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Also, from the bnet forums:
"MagicAMY is Reynad. It's easy to decipher: "Magic" refers to his past; "AMY" stands for Andrey Mikheyevich Yanyuk." This makes perfect sense. Reynad is a mastermind lol
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On February 19 2015 09:02 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:00 Angryhorse wrote:On February 19 2015 08:52 Daralii wrote: Forsen said on stream that him and several other pros had their suspicions in part because she refused to join their Skype circles, always using a really flimsy excuse, but didn't have enough evidence to come forward. Why would she dodge their calls when other people claims they spoke to her often and that she had a good knowledge of HS, I mean what would she be afraid of? She just might not wanted to speak to Forsen and them, I wouldn't atleast..You would probably lose more braincells from a skypeconvo with cancer Forsen then smoking crack and getting into a fistfight with the thugs who sold you the rocks.. dont be a roleplayer
HA! Perfect answer! (Yes I do enjoy me some Forsen from time to time, until the cancer overwhelms)
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On February 19 2015 09:05 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:03 Cheren wrote:he's missing out on hundreds of dollars in "hilarious" troll donations Probably missing out on thousands. He made a shit laod of cash last time he did that text to speech donation thing. If he did that again and now.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Also, from the bnet forums: Show nested quote +"MagicAMY is Reynad. It's easy to decipher: "Magic" refers to his past; "AMY" stands for Andrey Mikheyevich Yanyuk." This makes perfect sense. Reynad is a mastermind lol Twitch staff threatened to ban him if he used text to speech again after the overload of racist jokes last time.
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On February 19 2015 09:08 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:05 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 09:03 Cheren wrote:he's missing out on hundreds of dollars in "hilarious" troll donations Probably missing out on thousands. He made a shit laod of cash last time he did that text to speech donation thing. If he did that again and now.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Also, from the bnet forums: "MagicAMY is Reynad. It's easy to decipher: "Magic" refers to his past; "AMY" stands for Andrey Mikheyevich Yanyuk." This makes perfect sense. Reynad is a mastermind lol Twitch staff threatened to ban him if he used text to speech again after the overload of racist jokes last time. i think GiG (D3 streamer) was banned related to text to speech because of the racism and just general assholishness of viewers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFails/comments/2tsdpi/reason_why_goodideagaming_was_banned_from_twitch/
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So like at this point MagicAmy is accused of:
- Being a con-artist trying to milk NA $$$ - Being a pathological liar - Botting - Stealing a miracle rogue deck - Cheating in the ESL using screensharing - Being a scam by the girl in the picture and one or more decent HS players (possibly Canadian) - Having better English than a Korean should have
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On February 19 2015 10:11 Antisocialmunky wrote:So like at this point MagicAmy is accused of: - Being a con-artist trying to milk NA $$$ - Being a pathological liar - Botting - Stealing a miracle rogue deck - Cheating in the ESL using screensharing - Being a scam by the girl in the picture and one or more decent HS players (possibly Canadian) - Having better English than a Korean should have 
That last one is the worst. Perma ban please.
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she also stands accused of being one of the only female players in hearthstone--a heinous but ultimately grammatically fine statement.
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It's always surprising how much bizarre drama a digital card game can produce. At this point I kinda want to know if the puppetmaster is Amy or Blaney.
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Personally I always thought it was weird she kinda avoiding streaming so much. I understand that some people (mostly girls) are shy, care about privacy etc, but if you're pro gamer in a pro team with a good chances to appear at offline events and some videos anyway, then streaming shouldn't be an issue. Oh well, guess we'll see how it turns out tomorrow.
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two of the people scammed (Celerity and Specialist) are TL posters no?
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what's the benefit impersonating a female persona in HS? it's not like there are female-only tournaments and you have to split the winnings with your female partner-in-crime.
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On February 19 2015 11:59 ref4 wrote: what's the benefit impersonating a female persona in HS? it's not like there are female-only tournaments and you have to split the winnings with your female partner-in-crime. would tempostorm have taken an interest if magicamy was magicandy?
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On February 19 2015 12:04 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 11:59 ref4 wrote: what's the benefit impersonating a female persona in HS? it's not like there are female-only tournaments and you have to split the winnings with your female partner-in-crime. would tempostorm have taken an interest if magicamy was magicandy?
if magicandy is really good then yeah
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On February 19 2015 10:35 dAPhREAk wrote: she also stands accused of being one of the only female players in hearthstone--a heinous but ultimately grammatically fine statement.
This made me laugh more than it should have.
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On February 19 2015 10:53 Daralii wrote: It's always surprising how much bizarre drama a digital card game can produce. At this point I kinda want to know if the puppetmaster is Amy or Blaney. Reminds me of this one kid who was also really good card games, winning many tournaments in the meantime. Unfortunately, the guy actually playing for him was an Egyptian dude living in some magic artifact.
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On February 19 2015 12:23 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 10:53 Daralii wrote: It's always surprising how much bizarre drama a digital card game can produce. At this point I kinda want to know if the puppetmaster is Amy or Blaney. Reminds me of this one kid who was also really good card games, winning many tournaments in the meantime. Unfortunately, the guy actually playing for him was an Egyptian dude living in some magic artifact. I don't think they have reddit in that world or Im sure something would have been mentioned and a huge scandal would have followed suit
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On February 19 2015 12:10 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 12:04 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 19 2015 11:59 ref4 wrote: what's the benefit impersonating a female persona in HS? it's not like there are female-only tournaments and you have to split the winnings with your female partner-in-crime. would tempostorm have taken an interest if magicamy was magicandy? if magicandy is really good then yeah we arent talking about the future. we are talking about the past. if magicamy was a man would tempostorm have picked him up immediately after esl like it did for magicamy? probably not. having the "best female player in the world" certainly has its perks compared to a dude who won a single tournament.
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On February 19 2015 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 12:10 ref4 wrote:On February 19 2015 12:04 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 19 2015 11:59 ref4 wrote: what's the benefit impersonating a female persona in HS? it's not like there are female-only tournaments and you have to split the winnings with your female partner-in-crime. would tempostorm have taken an interest if magicamy was magicandy? if magicandy is really good then yeah we arent talking about the future. we are talking about the past. if magicamy was a man would tempostorm have picked him up immediately after esl like it did for magicamy? probably not. having the "best female player in the world" certainly has its perks compared to a dude who won a single tournament.
that's not saying much when there are only like 3-5 female HS competitive players (actually might even be less rofl) plus playing HS as female vs. male doesn't put you at an innate disadvantage unlike some real world sports.
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I don't care. She does not Twitch streaming that meaning probably She is not great person or She had a problem. Problem fix first.
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Having not read this until quite a bit after I watched the scandal break, I got quite a chuckle from the post's wording. I'm extra amused by this, as I was actually (a small) part of z33kTV when the whole Vera Lynn thing exploded (I was unaware of it until just before Rifkin went public with it; I was one of the people who formed BaseTrade with him).
I just hope there isn't too much backlash on Tempo Storm itself, as Reynad may have been just as hoodwinked as the rest of us.
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On February 19 2015 14:20 Gary Oak wrote: Having not read this until quite a bit after I watched the scandal break, I got quite a chuckle from the post's wording. I'm extra amused by this, as I was actually (a small) part of z33kTV when the whole Vera Lynn thing exploded (I was unaware of it until just before Rifkin went public with it; I was one of the people who formed BaseTrade with him).
I just hope there isn't too much backlash on Tempo Storm itself, as Reynad may have been just as hoodwinked as the rest of us. Reynad will probably get some deserved flak for not "knowing" who he signed but he is definiatley a fraud victim if these allegations are true so he and tempo storm should come out of this ok, and alot smarter
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Regardless of whether the allegations are true or not, it's a shame that this episode will probably make the Hearthstone/overall-esports community even more cynical about female pros...
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This is fucking hilarious.
I remember when this site jumped on the opportunity to interview a KOREAN GIRL GAMER. Seems like this guy knew which strings to pull just right...
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On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight,
Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them.
I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it.
edit: because the neckbeards will be out in full force today: If MagicAmy is actually guilt, then that's terrible and of course it's important that people know that. However, that investigation is something left to her teammates and team, not some random dude (from another team) who decides to "investigate" because she's a girl and has better results than himself. In addition, Chakki or whoever shouldn't be posting such defaming information without first consulting the team and/or the player, because now, regardless of the outcome, MagicAmy will also be guilty via community prosecution.
The whole situation is amateurish
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On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours.
If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses.
edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording
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It is funny becouse whoever that person is he deserves a spot in Tempo Storm and ESL finals. It's kinda strange what was the goal of this gender transformation. I have read that Magicamy was a pro in BW scene and she was close to Tossgirl skill levels. Am I right ? If not than who is in that picture with the Tyrant ?
Poll: Would you like Tossgirl as a MagicCandy in TS rooster?3. That would save Reynad and with that whole esports (3) 43% 1. YES (2) 29% 2. No (2) 29% 7 total votes Your vote: Would you like Tossgirl as a MagicCandy in TS rooster? (Vote): 1. YES (Vote): 2. No (Vote): 3. That would save Reynad and with that whole esports
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On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours. If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses. edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording that sounds like the dumbest idea ever. MagicAmy doesnt need to react immediately because it doesnt do anything, they need to sift through evidence and backup claims, words wont change the situation. The video idea is even worse, we've already seen footage of her on ESL live, why would it be better proof of her identity on a pre-recorded video sent to youtube, that doesnt even make sense.
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On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote: A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording If there's actually 2 people behind "magicamy" with one being a real korean girl... how this will prove anything?
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On February 19 2015 18:16 TAMinator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours. If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses. edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording that sounds like the dumbest idea ever. MagicAmy doesnt need to react immediately because it doesnt do anything, they need to sift through evidence and backup claims, words wont change the situation. The video idea is even worse, we've already seen footage of her on ESL live, why would it be better proof of her identity on a pre-recorded video sent to youtube, that doesnt even make sense. Not a video of her screen, that does nothing. No one is doubting Magicamy is a women. What they are doubting is who is playing the games. The camera would be pointed at her PC set up so you can see her, the game and that shes doing the actions.
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I will miss his/her meta reports .
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On February 19 2015 18:21 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 18:16 TAMinator wrote:On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours. If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses. edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording that sounds like the dumbest idea ever. MagicAmy doesnt need to react immediately because it doesnt do anything, they need to sift through evidence and backup claims, words wont change the situation. The video idea is even worse, we've already seen footage of her on ESL live, why would it be better proof of her identity on a pre-recorded video sent to youtube, that doesnt even make sense. Not a video of her screen, that does nothing. No one is doubting Magicamy is a women. What they are doubting is who is playing the games. The camera would be pointed at her PC set up so you can see her, the game and that shes doing the actions. Yeah I never questioned it too? Seeing her play 10 minutes of a game doesnt indicate anything about her skill level which is why it's a terrible idea. It also doesn't give evidence to whether she herself played the tournament matches or not. Either way, i'm sure tempostorm will handle this eventually.
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On February 19 2015 18:37 TAMinator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 18:21 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 18:16 TAMinator wrote:On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours. If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses. edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording that sounds like the dumbest idea ever. MagicAmy doesnt need to react immediately because it doesnt do anything, they need to sift through evidence and backup claims, words wont change the situation. The video idea is even worse, we've already seen footage of her on ESL live, why would it be better proof of her identity on a pre-recorded video sent to youtube, that doesnt even make sense. Not a video of her screen, that does nothing. No one is doubting Magicamy is a women. What they are doubting is who is playing the games. The camera would be pointed at her PC set up so you can see her, the game and that shes doing the actions. Yeah I never questioned it too? Seeing her play 10 minutes of a game doesnt indicate anything about her skill level which is why it's a terrible idea. It also doesn't give evidence to whether she herself played the tournament matches or not. Either way, i'm sure tempostorm will handle this eventually. Given how good Amy is shes more than likely a high legend player so you'd be watching her play vs high legend opponents. If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches.
The end result of the video isn't definitive. But its an attempt at proving innocence. This is not a legal setting so staying silent until the day of judgment is not wise, this is a video game community. It is my belief that doing SOMETHING is better than nothing.
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Kinda explains why the character in the webcam during that tournament seemed so disinterested in the game and didn't react to plays. :/
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On February 19 2015 19:24 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 18:37 TAMinator wrote:On February 19 2015 18:21 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 18:16 TAMinator wrote:On February 19 2015 18:03 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. hotsy got the community treatment. hotsy is a guy. The evidence against him is honestly quiet weak and he was dealt with within hours. If there was reason to suggest that some male streamers were using someone else to play there games I guarantee we'd burn them at the stake much quicker. But so far there isn't. There is however evidence that suggests Magicamy is a player of false pretenses. edit: I find Amy's silence on the matter odd too since an allegation like this is super easy to disprove. Maybe Tempo Storm told her to stay shush and shes just following orders but in my own and possibly wrong opinion this seems like the kind of thing that you should just disprove as quickly as possible. A simple youtube video of her playing a few games on the pc with a camera pointed at the set up would probably do it. 10 minutes of recording that sounds like the dumbest idea ever. MagicAmy doesnt need to react immediately because it doesnt do anything, they need to sift through evidence and backup claims, words wont change the situation. The video idea is even worse, we've already seen footage of her on ESL live, why would it be better proof of her identity on a pre-recorded video sent to youtube, that doesnt even make sense. Not a video of her screen, that does nothing. No one is doubting Magicamy is a women. What they are doubting is who is playing the games. The camera would be pointed at her PC set up so you can see her, the game and that shes doing the actions. Yeah I never questioned it too? Seeing her play 10 minutes of a game doesnt indicate anything about her skill level which is why it's a terrible idea. It also doesn't give evidence to whether she herself played the tournament matches or not. Either way, i'm sure tempostorm will handle this eventually. Given how good Amy is shes more than likely a high legend player so you'd be watching her play vs high legend opponents. If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches. The end result of the video isn't definitive. But its an attempt at proving innocence. This is not a legal setting so staying silent until the day of judgment is not wise, this is a video game community. It is my belief that doing SOMETHING is better than nothing.
If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches. You dont base someones skill from one sitting and tournaments require a little different thought process than ladder. Her impulsively going "im innocent guys!" what is that going to achieve? The community will just be like ok... proof? It doesnt go anywhere. Just because she isnt saying anything doesnt mean she's doing nothing. She's probably behind the scenes communicating with tempo storm on how to proceed further.
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On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. edit: because the neckbeards will be out in full force today: If MagicAmy is actually guilt, then that's terrible and of course it's important that people know that. However, that investigation is something left to her teammates and team, not some random dude (from another team) who decides to "investigate" because she's a girl and has better results than himself. In addition, Chakki or whoever shouldn't be posting such defaming information without first consulting the team and/or the player, because now, regardless of the outcome, MagicAmy will also be guilty via community prosecution. The whole situation is amateurish
Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else.
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Lmao, if MagicAmy didn't answer Reynad or anyone else already, you know there's something fishy
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On February 19 2015 20:10 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote:On February 19 2015 07:41 gkts wrote:On February 19 2015 06:49 litlnoobs wrote: Maybe Chakki should try learning how to play Hearthstone instead of "investigating" female games because he's butthurt. That escalated quickly, Sir Whiteknight, Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. edit: because the neckbeards will be out in full force today: If MagicAmy is actually guilt, then that's terrible and of course it's important that people know that. However, that investigation is something left to her teammates and team, not some random dude (from another team) who decides to "investigate" because she's a girl and has better results than himself. In addition, Chakki or whoever shouldn't be posting such defaming information without first consulting the team and/or the player, because now, regardless of the outcome, MagicAmy will also be guilty via community prosecution. The whole situation is amateurish Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else.
Hafu dodged the competitive scene for a long time, and then when she joined, she had a whole campaign against her which included harassment on various levels, threatening her in real life, and releasing private information and photos. Excuse me if women are a bit scared to join the competitive scene (in ALL "esports") when this is the norm.
Basically, you're saying if a lady doesn't go to live comps, then she is guilty of something. And if she does go, then she gets her life ruined. Nice catch 22 you got there.
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On February 19 2015 22:51 Figgy wrote:http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/470669-power-rank-october-2014I've been extremely suspicious of her since this posting, where her tier list showed a complete and utter lack of understanding of the meta game, everyone who was anywhere near legend or played competitive knew mage was shit tier at the time. I'm glad info finally came out to confirm it.
Her list is pretty similar to Tarei's who she was said practicing with a lot... And I wouldn't be surprised if the asian meta was kind of wonky.
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On February 19 2015 23:01 Beamo wrote:Her list is pretty similar to Tarei's who she was said practicing with a lot... And I wouldn't be surprised if the asian meta was kind of wonky. 
Or it could have just been written by Tarei.
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Well then Tempo Storm can just recruit Tarei and get over it. :-)
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On February 19 2015 20:52 Torte de Lini wrote: sweet sweet drama
isn't that the best part of an esports journalist? miss u man...wish you would be here for LAN ETS
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so I watched the videos of her games, and it really stands out to me that she just didn't look like she was playing. her eyes barely move, and I find it hard to believe you can play hearthstone by focusing on the same part of the screen for the entire game
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Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else.
I gotta call bullshit on this. Plenty of highly ranked players don't stream or have never been to live events.
And getting close to lots of people but never meeting them in person is supposed to be evidence of what? Female gamers just aren't allowed to have friends because, if they don't agree to meet them in person they must be hiding the fact that they're really men?
And nobody has any right to blame a woman for being reluctant to stream, because just open your ears and listen to how people talk about female streamers. There's nothing at all weird about a woman being reluctant to sign up for that shit. Hell, why do you think there are so few female pros/streamers to begin with? I'll give you a hint: because the atmosphere in gaming communities is absolutely toxic if you're not straight, white and male and most people would just rather find something else to do with their time.
And the business of making excuses about joining Skype with Forsen? When some dude keeps asking you to join Skype and you don't want to and he won't stop asking, what are you supposed to do? You make excuses and every time it happens your excuses get weaker and then some jackass goes and starts "investigating" you because clearly there's something suspicious going on if a woman doesn't want talk to a guy.
Sexist attitudes are the only reason why any of this is suspicious to anyone. Even if the rumors are true, if this was a male made-up character, nobody even gives the behavior a 2nd thought. If this was a male made-up character, people believe you when you say "something came up", they don't automatically assume you must be lying, and they take "no" for an answer when you don't want to join a bloody skype call.
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this is hilarious. she scammed $5000 from Celerity, $250 from JAB and scammed her previous employer from Prismata that we know for sure and we still somehow managed to make this entire situation about how she is a victim of misogynistic HS community. of course...
all pro players hang out and talk in skype groups, you can hear about those groups all the time on streams and especially now after this MagicAmy drama. she made a name of herself at beginning by joining those groups. no one randomly started investigating her because she is a girl and good at HS, Chakki who did a lot of work is good friends with JAB who got scammed by MagicAmy. he is also friend with Kitkatz who had his legit doubts since Korea, Sjow today said he knew about that since it happened. Celerity (ex team mate of JAB) tried to warn people behind the scenes for long time ( https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KfNuPCMAEXQyG.jpg ) and it's safe to assume Chakki knew about it. she scammed Prismata people who approached and asked HS pros if she did her job and talked to them about the game, it's also safe to assume pros knew about that issue too.
so cut the crap with that "sexist" angle, everything about her was fishy to many pros long time before this shit came out publicly and there was a good reason for it, it wasn't some conspiracy against her just because she is a girl who is good at HS.
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On February 20 2015 01:56 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote + Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else.
I gotta call bullshit on this. Plenty of highly ranked players don't stream or have never been to live events. And getting close to lots of people but never meeting them in person is supposed to be evidence of what? Female gamers just aren't allowed to have friends because, if they don't agree to meet them in person they must be hiding the fact that they're really men? And nobody has any right to blame a woman for being reluctant to stream, because just open your ears and listen to how people talk about female streamers. There's nothing at all weird about a woman being reluctant to sign up for that shit. Hell, why do you think there are so few female pros/streamers to begin with? I'll give you a hint: because the atmosphere in gaming communities is absolutely toxic if you're not straight, white and male and most people would just rather find something else to do with their time. And the business of making excuses about joining Skype with Forsen? When some dude keeps asking you to join Skype and you don't want to and he won't stop asking, what are you supposed to do? You make excuses and every time it happens your excuses get weaker and then some jackass goes and starts "investigating" you because clearly there's something suspicious going on if a woman doesn't want talk to a guy. Sexist attitudes are the only reason why any of this is suspicious to anyone. Even if the rumors are true, if this was a male made-up character, nobody even gives the behavior a 2nd thought. If this was a male made-up character, people believe you when you say "something came up", they don't automatically assume you must be lying, and they take "no" for an answer when you don't want to join a bloody skype call. Highly ranked players, sure. But what about professional players? That's a completely different question.
The amount of bullshit that female players go through is definitely higher, but there's something strange about qualifying for potential big-money events and refusing to go. There's a huge financial incentive, and things get a little questionable when people avoid financial gain like that. She's one of the more popular female players, that's for sure. She'd probably face a lot less flak than, say, Scarlett experienced in SC2. I'm not convinced she's a fake, and if she provides proof that's even modestly compelling I'll happily give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't want my favorite team to have signed on a phony, and I don't want there to be anything for the misogynists to wave around. But still, there's an obligation to the truth.
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Oh internet gaming community you never cease to amuse Me. I mean really , who gives a fUk?
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I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man.
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On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man.
Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke.
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On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle.
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On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle.
Same place mate, but the accusations of cheating are less hurtful than the "you re a complete fraud" ones imo
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On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle. I mean, that's a little bit different, isn't it? There was overwhelming proof that Hosty was stream cheating pretty much from the outset. In this case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, sure, but still no clear-cut evidence.
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On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. assuming the visa issue is spurious, i do think that not showing up to the ESL finals is suspicious after going through the effort to qualify. and i think you are overreaching on your male vs. female contestant argument. yeah, its a factor, but not as large a factor as you are making it.
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lmao @ all the pathetic white knight losers crying about MUH MISOGYNY and MUH HARASSMENT, seriously just how brainwashed are you? go back to tumblr you retards
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On February 20 2015 04:39 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle. I mean, that's a little bit different, isn't it? There was overwhelming proof that Hosty was stream cheating pretty much from the outset. In this case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, sure, but still no clear-cut evidence.
Here's the thing. I seem to recall people defending Hosty and saying the evidence was inconclusive at best up to the day Amaz released him from Archon (without verifying the accusations I might add).
On February 20 2015 05:04 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote: I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. assuming the visa issue is spurious, i do think that not showing up to the ESL finals is suspicious after going through the effort to qualify. and i think you are overreaching on your male vs. female contestant argument. yeah, its a factor, but not as large a factor as you are making it.
The thing is, I just don't understand the upside of dodging the event versus showing up and just doing bad. The cards are still hers, the deck lists can be the same as from ESL. It's not like SC2 where her lack of mechanical skills would set off a red flag. Apparently she's at least a Legend player anyways so it's not like she'd do something completely dumb like Wild Pyromancer + Force of Nature + Savage Roar. And if she did is that really the worst thing we've seen in a tournament?
I have a hard time believing that she would hoax her way through ESL with a webcam just to skip the live event she knew the weekly lead up to.
BTW for those who don't know Reynad actually accused RDU of having other people play for him in online events in the past. So this isn't exactly a never before seen scandal in Hearthstone. The RDU thing blew over really quickly though and to such an extend that I'm sure most people here have never even heard of the accusation.
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i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke.
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True, but if the MagicAmy accusations are true won't he look extra stupid?
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Do people even read up on the magicamy drama before making all these sexism claims? Can't believe any rational people will believe it's just some anti-female thing instead of all the shady stuff she's done along with the evidence of the online presence of magicamy being two people.
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On February 20 2015 06:24 Wuster wrote: True, but if the MagicAmy accusations are true won't he look extra stupid? depends on whether he knew or should have known. if he was taken for a ride, i dont think he'd look that stupid. its an online game and she was an international, not local, player so its not too hard to imagine he thought she was legit.
i did read somewhere that reynad was provided information about her before signing, but he ignored it.
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If Amy really did this, unless she literally knows nothing about hearthstone, she should just have asked for the guy that plays to teach her a few decks for a week or so and just went to the LAN. Even if she did terribly, she can just claim she was nervous or some shit, maybe RNG people a few games and that would be great.
I don't understand how they were running a con and were just dodging all LANs forever, seems like a shitty plan for all the work they were putting with the articles and all that.
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On February 19 2015 14:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 14:20 Gary Oak wrote: Having not read this until quite a bit after I watched the scandal break, I got quite a chuckle from the post's wording. I'm extra amused by this, as I was actually (a small) part of z33kTV when the whole Vera Lynn thing exploded (I was unaware of it until just before Rifkin went public with it; I was one of the people who formed BaseTrade with him).
I just hope there isn't too much backlash on Tempo Storm itself, as Reynad may have been just as hoodwinked as the rest of us. Reynad will probably get some deserved flak for not "knowing" who he signed but he is definiatley a fraud victim if these allegations are true so he and tempo storm should come out of this ok, and alot smarter Yeah. Hopefully the backlash won't be too bad. I assume Reynad and TS will keep on keeping on because, I mean, Ghosty still streams, so...
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That's what she told Dailydot too, that they were together and shared online accounts.
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Either way, I'm going just wait until dailydot or tempo storm or whoever 'officially' gets to the bottom of this. Losing too many brain cells trying to keep up with drama =p.
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On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that?
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Assuming the accusations are true, the reason why you wouldn't want to send the "face" of the duo to an offline competition, even with decks that play themselves, is because the "brains" would have been the one who interacted and chatted with other players. Let's say the face goes to the competition and gets asked about a play the brains made in a previous game and has no idea what they're talking about. Or if a player who the brains talked to says hi and the face has no idea who they are or what they talked about.
It's obviously something you'd want to avoid.
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On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
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On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke.
The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this?
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On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? i assume you mean face to face. lots of international contracts are drafted and executed without the parties meeting each other face to face. its really not that big of a deal. do you honestly expect a small team like tempostorm to fly out to korea, or fly magicamy to america to meet her before they sign a deal that is likely to be low value?
i assume reynad/TS spoke to magicamy on skype, or communicated with her before she signed on to the team. and i am not sure why anyone would think thats not sufficient for such low stakes contracting.
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On February 20 2015 10:03 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? i assume you mean face to face. lots of international contracts are drafted and executed without the parties meeting each other face to face. its really not that big of a deal. do you honestly expect a small team like tempostorm to fly out to korea, or fly magicamy to america to meet her before they sign a deal that is likely to be low value? i assume reynad/TS spoke to magicamy on skype, or communicated with her before she signed on to the team. and i am not sure why anyone would think thats not sufficient for such low stakes contracting.
honestly the best way to tell is either for her to play in a live event with pros or even simply having an extensive video interview with her on skype about things like meta deckbuilding etc. to see if she really is the magicamy
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Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
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On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote: Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
Well I think that a lot of proof has been put out against her is the point? She hasn't just been blindly accused or this wouldn't have even got this much attention. If the proof against her really is condemning then she'd at least want to refute it.
Anyways, I couldn't even begin to evaluate the "proof" here, at least as far as that whole imgur album goes. It all seems very convoluted and I'm not sure what it implies besides that she has various accounts connecting her with some Canadian guy she's dated.. which means all of nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has no involvement in this at all.
More interesting is just that this whole thing seems to have unveiled how she manipulated a bunch of nerds for money, and Tarei (I believe?) even stating that he's played for her. So I don't really see how she comes out of this on top at this point.
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On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? You mean like how Reynad signed some European guy named Gaara? Or Cloud9 with Kolento?
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame. yeah that was cringe worthy lol
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame. Holy crap I actually feel sad how pathetic that guy is. 5k on a girl he never met that moved off to someone else. I'd cut that loss and just hid under a rock. On topic while I don't particularly care and didn't really take a look at all the "evidence" it seems like a rather stupid plan ruining every chance of ever getting anywhere in that industry for a couple quick tempostorm bucks but well maybe I am missing something.
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Hmm, interesting to see how this develops. What's strange to me is how you could possibly scam someone out of 5000$(Celerity). Or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't send any money to girls I have a long distance relationship with. Asking for money is an immediate red flag in all cases... As far as I'm concerned, that's completely his own fault. Also, moving to live with someone you've never met? I could never do something like that. Personally, I would go see her myself, and turn it into a vacation if such a thing did happen(fraud). Sending money for a plane ticket just makes no sense to me - She should pay for those herself, just like you would pay for yours. Can't really even blame her for that specific case.
On the other hand, the tournament stuff is far more serious to me and I hope it turns out all right for Reynad and co. While Reynad might have his faults, he does come off as an honest person to me and I hope this doesn't ruin his team's reputation. Still, it's probably best to just wait for the conclusion.
On February 20 2015 12:07 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this? You mean like how Reynad signed some European guy named Gaara? Or Cloud9 with Kolento? What's different here, I believe, is that they actually have been going to tournaments and have been confirmed to be real people.
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Bunch of mostly meaningless and PR stuff, the only important thing there is
Upon learning the entire story, Tempo Storm offered to fully support MagicAmy in an attempt to clear her name by addressing the public immediately by having her compete in an offline tournament. Hyerim, however, has decided to take a leave of absence from Hearthstone and answer these issues on her own.
So yeah, she had a choice to either finally attending an offline event or leaving HS/progaming. Attending some small tournament, especially with TS' support never would be a problem unless it weren't some "shady" stuff. Seems like that poster from reddit was right, she will NEVER stream or play at offline tournament and when the only choice she had was either do it or leave, she just left.
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well I'm not entirely convinced by the chaptes about "there was evidence that she was botting or at least heavily interested in improving the bots but if she did bot Blizzard woulda banned her so we think she didn't" and "we don't think she was win trading or having someone play for her else Blizzard woulda banned her so we think she didn't".
Very sad to see the active roster shrink down to 3 T/S players. Also still disappointed MagicAmy won't attend ESL LAN finals
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to be honest, if I was a legit MagicAmy I propably would have done the same. It's just too much hate from all sides as well as some nasty stuff (a daily dot article published a skype accout name, wtf?) invading her privacy.
I'm not saying she's innocent but when you have the community against you once (or get the feeling you do), I fell it's pretty hard to hold on and work through it.
Celerity's situation is just his own fault, albeit not pretty for him :/
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On February 20 2015 19:58 schaf wrote: to be honest, if I was a legit MagicAmy I propably would have done the same. It's just too much hate from all sides as well as some nasty stuff (a daily dot article published a skype accout name, wtf?) invading her privacy.
I'm not saying she's innocent but when you have the community against you once (or get the feeling you do), I fell it's pretty hard to hold on and work through it.
Celerity's situation is just his own fault, albeit not pretty for him :/ I agree. At this point she can't "win" anymore. Sure she might go to ESL win a few hundred or thousand €/$ whatever and prove the doubters wrong. And then? The whole internet is going to pressure her to pay those guys back that gave her money when she was in a bad situation. (It would be the right thing to do but that's not my point.)
If she wanted to be a respected part of the community she would probably need to pay the money back she got from somebody, make them spread the information on the internet and qualify at a byoc lan with a 1000 people open bracket to show that she's a respectable person and a fine player. Just doing one of these things the internet would just jump to the next point and criticize her.
That's quite a lot to go through for an amateur/semi-professional.
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On February 20 2015 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that? regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
The dude got balls, a wierd set of them, but still balls. I would never have the guts to show people how fooled I got. But if you got 5000$ to spend on a internet gf the you probably lives a pretty good and easy life. I would like to welcome him to the real world haha!
As I wrote before, Amy was just hustlin' fools left and right, can't hate her for that. Some of us have it harder here in life.
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On February 20 2015 06:33 Numy wrote: Do people even read up on the magicamy drama before making all these sexism claims? Can't believe any rational people will believe it's just some anti-female thing instead of all the shady stuff she's done along with the evidence of the online presence of magicamy being two people.
To some people anything negative against a female is definitely sexist. Most of those same people will also call you a racist for criticizing the President. Thank colleges and universities for brainwashing generations of kids into believing if you're not a white male you are definitely a victim of white males.
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FINALLY some drama, laugh it also from the dailydot article
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fDtxTzW.png)
longest title in esports
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On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that?
Maybe? I mean we don't know the entire story and I don't want to speculate (and inevitably get accused of white knighting by someone :eyeroll: ), but can we agree that relationships can get messy?
It looks like this is the same attitude that TS took in their press release and why Reynad "didn't care" when Celerity told him he had dirt on MagicAmy.
In any case, this entire thing seems to have turned into a lot of conflated rumors. No one actually accused MagicAmy of not being a high level player, but whether she was actually a pro-caliber player. Yet you have multiple posters here assuming she couldn't even beat the easy AI without someone's help. Not to mention people calling her out as a fraud based on her power rankings differing from his opinions despite being similar to other pro players' rankings.
So ya, I dunno what she can possibly have done from this situation, it's pretty hard to disprove these sorts of allegations in the first place (is it even possible to disprove botting / win-trading?), . I don't think going to an offline event would have silenced the doubters either cuz of the deckbuilding (which no one does in isolation anyways) and rng involved in Hearthstone.
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I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public. then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there!
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On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote: I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public. then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there!
I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud.
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On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote: I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public. then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud.
** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke. Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action.
And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event.
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On February 21 2015 20:04 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote: I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public. then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud. ** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke. Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action. And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event.
as far as I know they did hold back the information gathered on the person they were suspicious of to show T/S directly, then specialistsc wrote a reddit post (not sure if directly connected to the group that did investigations) that he had reason to believe that MagicAmy was not who she claimed she was (amongst other personal things for which his initial post got deleted) and reddit blew up, so they decided to release the information they had gathered on MagicAmy, seeing that pandoras box already had been opened so they might as well provide the evidence they had that there was in fact a very weird connection between all of her accounts and someone else.
I don't think the way it went down was right. I don't think it is good what happened. But the initial intention was not to go to reddit but to go to T/S directly. Also to me at least the Prismata founder is enough of a reliable witness to confirm that she indeed screwed people. If she played the games herself or someone else (Tarei?) did it for her, I don't know. She had the opportunity and full backing of her team to rid herself of those allogations, but she didn't want to, just like she didn't want to stream. And didn't want to attend any live events, ever.
Which is what she decided on BEFORE this all went down, she promised to stream yet never did (because she didn't want to), she promised to go to events yet never went. And since she verified this to T/S I understand why it does not make sense for her to be part of the team anymore. So far she has only quit T/S, not Heartstone entirely. And even if she did, she was nothing more but an online player with high chat activity who happened to get on a known team. And besides that she may have been recruited for it, this entire thing has nothing to do with gender.
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On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote: But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations.
So, since someone blew the whistle early and the community was already in an uproar, they decided that the right thing to do was fan the flames and destroy any possibility that MagicAmy could come out of this with her career intact if they turned out to be wrong. How incredibly thoughtful of them to preference satisfying the mob's curiosity above someone's livelihood.
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On February 21 2015 20:42 Fi0na wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 20:04 Douillos wrote:On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote: I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public. then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud. ** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke. Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action. And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event. as far as I know they did hold back the information gathered on the person they were suspicious of to show T/S directly, then specialistsc wrote a reddit post (not sure if directly connected to the group that did investigations) that he had reason to believe that MagicAmy was not who she claimed she was (amongst other personal things for which his initial post got deleted) and reddit blew up, so they decided to release the information they had gathered on MagicAmy, seeing that pandoras box already had been opened so they might as well provide the evidence they had that there was in fact a very weird connection between all of her accounts and someone else. I don't think the way it went down was right. I don't think it is good what happened. But the initial intention was not to go to reddit but to go to T/S directly. Also to me at least the Prismata founder is enough of a reliable witness to confirm that she indeed screwed people. If she played the games herself or someone else (Tarei?) did it for her, I don't know. She had the opportunity and full backing of her team to rid herself of those allogations, but she didn't want to, just like she didn't want to stream. And didn't want to attend any live events, ever. Which is what she decided on BEFORE this all went down, she promised to stream yet never did (because she didn't want to), she promised to go to events yet never went. And since she verified this to T/S I understand why it does not make sense for her to be part of the team anymore. So far she has only quit T/S, not Heartstone entirely. And even if she did, she was nothing more but an online player with high chat activity who happened to get on a known team. And besides that she may have been recruited for it, this entire thing has nothing to do with gender.
Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games. Personally, his post only proved to me that he's never worked in a real company with a real spectrum of good/bad employees (an impression I already had from the Prismata Kickstarter tbh).
I literally worked with a guy who showed up to work drunk, would drink at work, pass out snoring and of course, never actually did work. It took him disappearing for a week before he was even fired. He was clearly a terrible employee and we called him all sorts of nasty things. But scammer was not one of them.
So Elyot was just airing his dirty laundry, and it's not a good look for MagicAmy with all the guys she worked over, but again, what did that have to do with her being two people? Generally the sorts of things Elyot's complaining about are what you say in a reference check (which I assume wasn't asked for), putting it out there the way he did was just gossip.
I mean what's next? We get out the pitchforks for TidesofTime because he never made guides for T/S and was thus scamming them by not doing what he was supposed to? Of course not, T/S can take care of their own employer/employee business (and it seems they have in both cases).
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"Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games." he commented only to confirm what said Celerity about her being a pathological liar, nothing else.
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The amount of continued whiteknighting is so strong.
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On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote: Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business.
It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast.
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On February 24 2015 01:54 pNRG wrote: The amount of continued whiteknighting is so strong.
"White knight" is one of those words/terms that, whenever someone busts it out, I file them under the heading of "Not To Be Taken Seriously About Anything Ever."
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On February 24 2015 02:05 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote: Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ. Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business. It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast. I do not know how it works in Canada, but in Denmark my union would wreck him in court.
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On February 23 2015 18:48 sacade wrote: "Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games." he commented only to confirm what said Celerity about her being a pathological liar, nothing else.
Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all).
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On February 24 2015 02:05 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote: Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ. Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business. It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast.
You don't get out much, do you? It varies by where you are but there are always procedures that have to be followed with regard to accusing an employee of theft and none of them involve marching up to them out of the blue and firing them on the spot when they don't immediately cough up evidence of their innocence. Even someone who was actually stealing would be able to sue if the employer didn't conduct and document the investigation properly.
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Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all).
Celerity is the guy who know magicamy the most.(long distance relationship) what he said is: 1) William Blaney is an ex, now she is with Tarei 2) magicamy is a scammer 3) magicamy is crazy 4) magicamy ask her boyfriend to play for her.
to know if 4 is true it's important to know if Celerity is trustworthy. Tarei plays with an account name " Ilovemagicamy" so 1 is probably true Jab confirms 2 Elyot confirms 3
it's look like to me that Celerity is trustworthy and that's why Elyot comment is really important and is not just gossip.
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I stopped following most of the guy drama, but I seem to remember that even Celerity said he did not think that MagicAmy was two people.
I thought he said something about having spend enough time with her (online?) that she wouldn't have had time to be with someone else.
But like I said I didn't follow all the drama, and Celerity did a lot of talking so maybe I missed something.
Also, how does Elyot's comment confirm #3? I did read that because people kept talking about how exposed her. But it was a fairly typical I-had-a-crappy-employee story. Literally anyone who's had a job with other people they didn't know well has those.
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Oh, look, another "scandal" in the videogame industry that takes the word of an "ex-boyfriend" as gospel and uses it as "proof" that we are talking about "ethics" and not something else+ Show Spoiler +.
Geeze, where have I heard this before.
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Also, how does Elyot's comment confirm #3?
"regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up. There are many more stories but I don't really wish to speak publicly about them." http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygz
I can understand that people do defensive lies to protect themself. This one is not a defensive lie. That something that the other person will discover quickly and it shows that Magicamy has mental issues.
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Again, that's not a sign of being a pathological liar. That's a sign of talking a big game and not delivering anything. Which as I keep saying is all the hallmarks of a terrible employee and not much more.
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what people consider "proof" and the leap to conclusions from little actual evidence is really disheartening.
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On February 24 2015 04:25 sacade wrote:Show nested quote +Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all). Celerity is the guy who know magicamy the most.(long distance relationship) what he said is: 1) William Blaney is an ex, now she is with Tarei 2) magicamy is a scammer 3) magicamy is crazy 4) magicamy ask her boyfriend to play for her. to know if 4 is true it's important to know if Celerity is trustworthy. Tarei plays with an account name " Ilovemagicamy" so 1 is probably true Jab confirms 2 Elyot confirms 3 it's look like to me that Celerity is trustworthy and that's why Elyot comment is really important and is not just gossip.
I hope you never sit on a jury. I could go make an account somewhere with the screen name "Ilovemagicamy". Would that constitute proof to you that I'm really her boyfriend? A couple of dudes call someone crazy. Who needs medical professionals, amirite? Celerity said it and Elyot agrees = obviously true.
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"I hope you never sit on a jury. " unfortunatly justice does mistakes all the time, I also hope never sit on a jury 
" I could go make an account somewhere with the screen name "Ilovemagicamy". Would that constitute proof to you that I'm really her boyfriend? " but no one close to her say that you are her boyfriend 
"A couple of dudes call someone crazy. Who needs medical professionals, amirite? Celerity said it and Elyot agrees = obviously true. " I wrote in the other thread that a lot of people think she is a liar. I will c/p
+ Show Spoiler +according to jablol she is a liar http://imgur.com/a/MtnQFhttp://www.reddit.com/user/jablolaccording to specialist she will never ever appear on offline event (he is right) http://i.imgur.com/Zck5VWf.png?1according to Elyot, founder of Prismata she is a liar "regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up." http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygzaccording to celerity she is a liar "She lied to me about purchasing a plane ticket to come live with me, and even showed me fake screenshots of a plane ticket with the destination cut off (I mean, really?). " http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copkg47according to her team she is a liar "she posted a picture showing an account named LoveMagicAmy as rank #1, indirectly implying it was her achievement" https://tempostorm.com/articles/tempostorm-parts-ways-with-hyerim-magicamy-leeaccording to magicamy she is better than a bonjwa in SC BW even if no one ever heard of her "I play zerg. A few micro intensive zvz against savior are my most proud wins." https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2reiwo/hi_i_am_ts_magicamy_you_can_ask_me_stuff_i_guess/cnf40dcand according to Callum Leslie, she is a liar "Additionally, one high-ranking source within ESL told the Daily Dot that Hyerim Lee twice changed her reason for withdrawing from the ESL Legendary Series. She first claimed that she had no passport, then that she didn't have a visa, and then finally that her parents were not allowing her to attend. " http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hearthstone-magic-amy-hyerim-lee-identity/
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being a liar is not the same as being a pathological liar. lots of people lie, but not all are compelled to do so from a mental disease.
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On February 24 2015 05:55 sacade wrote:
I wrote in the other thread that a lot of people think she is a liar. I will c/p
Things which are apparently the same: lying and being mentally ill. TIL!
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I will not explain to troll that depending of the amount of lies it can be an illness so guys goodbye Maybe if there are news or if she come back (which I hope, I love drama) I will talk with you again but right now it's pointless.
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On February 24 2015 06:49 sacade wrote:I will not explain to troll that depending of the amount of lies it can be an illness so guys goodbye Maybe if there are news or if she come back (which I hope, I love drama) I will talk with you again but right now it's pointless.  straight from DSM IV.
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On February 24 2015 06:49 sacade wrote:I will not explain to troll that depending of the amount of lies it can be an illness so guys goodbye Maybe if there are news or if she come back (which I hope, I love drama) I will talk with you again but right now it's pointless. 
OK, so connect the dots for me from "can be related to mental illness" to "is a mental illness in this particular situation".
I won't hold my breath.
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Piegasm let it go brah. She is a known scammer that got found out by the community. She was given every chance to clear her name and she never did it. These things happen to every guy suspected of the same stuff. Her sex had nothing to do with this no matter how much you want that to be the case.
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On February 24 2015 13:48 pannra wrote: Piegasm let it go brah. She is a known scammer that got found out by the community. She was given every chance to clear her name and she never did it. These things happen to every guy suspected of the same stuff. Her sex had nothing to do with this no matter how much you want that to be the case.
First, how about you let me decide what I will let go or not "brah"? Does that work for you?
Second, there is no way she could possibly clear her name because asshats like you will believe what you want regardless of what she does. Anything she said in her own defense would be declared a lie. Any evidence she presented would be declared faked. If she went to the offline event, every misplay would be further proof that someone else played all her previous tournament games for her. You know it as well as I do.
Third, no matter how much anyone wants to believe this isn't about sex at all, it is. Look at Hosty. There is definite evidence that Hosty had the stream of his own match up while he was playing it and the majority of what I've seen said about the situation is that Archon should have stuck by him, that it must have been an accident, he should have been given the benefit of the doubt, etc. I haven't seen anyone assuming that he must have been stream cheating at all his other tournament matches. Other players have said on stream that they wouldn't have the least trepidation about competing with him in an event, etc. Specialist was actually banned by Blizzard for win trading and he's believed entirely uncritically about MagicAmy. Others have shown themselves to be less than perfectly honest and reliable but people haven't fallen all over themselves to drive them out of the community. They leave it up to the relevant organizations to handle their own shit. But a female player does it and the community mobilizes in an instant, people line up to air every little grievance everyone has ever had with her, every little thing she's ever said or done that seemed even slightly odd at the time, etc. Wouldn't join a skype call with Forsen? Must be two people! Couldn't possibly be that she just doesn't fucking want to talk to Forsen.
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