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On February 21 2015 20:04 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote:
I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public.
then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud. ** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke. Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action. And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event.
as far as I know they did hold back the information gathered on the person they were suspicious of to show T/S directly, then specialistsc wrote a reddit post (not sure if directly connected to the group that did investigations) that he had reason to believe that MagicAmy was not who she claimed she was (amongst other personal things for which his initial post got deleted) and reddit blew up, so they decided to release the information they had gathered on MagicAmy, seeing that pandoras box already had been opened so they might as well provide the evidence they had that there was in fact a very weird connection between all of her accounts and someone else.
I don't think the way it went down was right. I don't think it is good what happened. But the initial intention was not to go to reddit but to go to T/S directly.
Also to me at least the Prismata founder is enough of a reliable witness to confirm that she indeed screwed people. If she played the games herself or someone else (Tarei?) did it for her, I don't know. She had the opportunity and full backing of her team to rid herself of those allogations, but she didn't want to, just like she didn't want to stream. And didn't want to attend any live events, ever.
Which is what she decided on BEFORE this all went down, she promised to stream yet never did (because she didn't want to), she promised to go to events yet never went. And since she verified this to T/S I understand why it does not make sense for her to be part of the team anymore.
So far she has only quit T/S, not Heartstone entirely. And even if she did, she was nothing more but an online player with high chat activity who happened to get on a known team. And besides that she may have been recruited for it, this entire thing has nothing to do with gender.
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On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:
But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations.
So, since someone blew the whistle early and the community was already in an uproar, they decided that the right thing to do was fan the flames and destroy any possibility that MagicAmy could come out of this with her career intact if they turned out to be wrong. How incredibly thoughtful of them to preference satisfying the mob's curiosity above someone's livelihood.
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On February 21 2015 20:42 Fi0na wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 20:04 Douillos wrote:On February 21 2015 19:54 Fi0na wrote:On February 21 2015 18:26 Douillos wrote:
I had a dream , in which people brang their accusations directly to team managers and tournament organisers instead of starting reddit threads that suffice to kill a players career, where people actually have a bit of dignity and don't do their dirty washing in public.
then I woke up , remembered what a twitch chat looks like and why we have such a lame pro community: we are one on the most immature and uninteresting Internet communities out there! I had a dream, in which people first inform themselves and the post their opinion. According to the people who researched the entire William-Blaney-connection, it was their plan to approach T/S directly at the next event. But since someone blew the whistle early they decided that since the community was in uproar already that it was better to at least provide the context and proof to those accusations. Oh, and this is not very different from when a politician is being investigated for potential crimes, then the media catches a drift of what is going on (without proof), releases an article and suddenly half the investigation has to be public and every politician is flinging some mud. ** Someone blew the whistle ** Care to elaborate or am I right in saying that the tendency is to reddit as fast as you can? I'm sorry but this was also the reaction in hosty's case (RIP)... And what about that other bloke sharing his chat logs? What a joke. Come on, this shitfest finished with no actual evidence and Magicamy quitting the scene. I wasnt a fan anyways so I dont really care, still I find this story to be a perfect example of ugly internet mob action. And we are talking video games, and video game players investigating. An analogy with Politician/media/police is seriously exagerating the importance of this event. as far as I know they did hold back the information gathered on the person they were suspicious of to show T/S directly, then specialistsc wrote a reddit post (not sure if directly connected to the group that did investigations) that he had reason to believe that MagicAmy was not who she claimed she was (amongst other personal things for which his initial post got deleted) and reddit blew up, so they decided to release the information they had gathered on MagicAmy, seeing that pandoras box already had been opened so they might as well provide the evidence they had that there was in fact a very weird connection between all of her accounts and someone else. I don't think the way it went down was right. I don't think it is good what happened. But the initial intention was not to go to reddit but to go to T/S directly. Also to me at least the Prismata founder is enough of a reliable witness to confirm that she indeed screwed people. If she played the games herself or someone else (Tarei?) did it for her, I don't know. She had the opportunity and full backing of her team to rid herself of those allogations, but she didn't want to, just like she didn't want to stream. And didn't want to attend any live events, ever. Which is what she decided on BEFORE this all went down, she promised to stream yet never did (because she didn't want to), she promised to go to events yet never went. And since she verified this to T/S I understand why it does not make sense for her to be part of the team anymore. So far she has only quit T/S, not Heartstone entirely. And even if she did, she was nothing more but an online player with high chat activity who happened to get on a known team. And besides that she may have been recruited for it, this entire thing has nothing to do with gender.
Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games. Personally, his post only proved to me that he's never worked in a real company with a real spectrum of good/bad employees (an impression I already had from the Prismata Kickstarter tbh).
I literally worked with a guy who showed up to work drunk, would drink at work, pass out snoring and of course, never actually did work. It took him disappearing for a week before he was even fired. He was clearly a terrible employee and we called him all sorts of nasty things. But scammer was not one of them.
So Elyot was just airing his dirty laundry, and it's not a good look for MagicAmy with all the guys she worked over, but again, what did that have to do with her being two people? Generally the sorts of things Elyot's complaining about are what you say in a reference check (which I assume wasn't asked for), putting it out there the way he did was just gossip.
I mean what's next? We get out the pitchforks for TidesofTime because he never made guides for T/S and was thus scamming them by not doing what he was supposed to? Of course not, T/S can take care of their own employer/employee business (and it seems they have in both cases).
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"Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games."
he commented only to confirm what said Celerity about her being a pathological liar, nothing else.
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The amount of continued whiteknighting is so strong.
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On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote:
Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ.
Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business.
It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast.
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On February 24 2015 01:54 pNRG wrote:
The amount of continued whiteknighting is so strong.
"White knight" is one of those words/terms that, whenever someone busts it out, I file them under the heading of "Not To Be Taken Seriously About Anything Ever."
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On February 24 2015 02:05 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote:
Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ. Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business. It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast.
I do not know how it works in Canada, but in Denmark my union would wreck him in court.
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On February 23 2015 18:48 sacade wrote:
"Elyot, the Prismata founder didn't have anything relevant about MagicAmy being two people or not playing her games."
he commented only to confirm what said Celerity about her being a pathological liar, nothing else.
Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all).
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On February 24 2015 02:05 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:44 Jek wrote:
Amy doesn't have to prove she's Magicamy, we don't live in the dark middle age where the burden of proof is on the accused. Jesus Christ. Where there is extreme evidence against you almost outright proving you're guilty you certainly do have to prove it's bs if you want to continue making money in this kind of business. It's like your boss at the workplace coming up to you and accusing you of theft that you're innocent of and saying to him "I don't have to prove shit, but I won't tell you whether I'm guilty or not", you'd get your ass fired so fast.
You don't get out much, do you? It varies by where you are but there are always procedures that have to be followed with regard to accusing an employee of theft and none of them involve marching up to them out of the blue and firing them on the spot when they don't immediately cough up evidence of their innocence. Even someone who was actually stealing would be able to sue if the employer didn't conduct and document the investigation properly.
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Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all).
Celerity is the guy who know magicamy the most.(long distance relationship)
what he said is:
1) William Blaney is an ex, now she is with Tarei
2) magicamy is a scammer
3) magicamy is crazy
4) magicamy ask her boyfriend to play for her.
to know if 4 is true it's important to know if Celerity is trustworthy.
Tarei plays with an account name " Ilovemagicamy" so 1 is probably true
Jab confirms 2
Elyot confirms 3
it's look like to me that Celerity is trustworthy and that's why Elyot comment is really important and is not just gossip.
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I stopped following most of the guy drama, but I seem to remember that even Celerity said he did not think that MagicAmy was two people.
I thought he said something about having spend enough time with her (online?) that she wouldn't have had time to be with someone else.
But like I said I didn't follow all the drama, and Celerity did a lot of talking so maybe I missed something.
Also, how does Elyot's comment confirm #3? I did read that because people kept talking about how exposed her. But it was a fairly typical I-had-a-crappy-employee story. Literally anyone who's had a job with other people they didn't know well has those.
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Oh, look, another "scandal" in the videogame industry that takes the word of an "ex-boyfriend" as gospel and uses it as "proof" that we are talking about "ethics" and not something else+ Show Spoiler +.
Geeze, where have I heard this before.
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Also, how does Elyot's comment confirm #3?
"regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up.
There are many more stories but I don't really wish to speak publicly about them."
http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygz
I can understand that people do defensive lies to protect themself. This one is not a defensive lie. That something that the other person will discover quickly and it shows that Magicamy has mental issues.
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Again, that's not a sign of being a pathological liar. That's a sign of talking a big game and not delivering anything. Which as I keep saying is all the hallmarks of a terrible employee and not much more.
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what people consider "proof" and the leap to conclusions from little actual evidence is really disheartening.
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On February 24 2015 04:25 sacade wrote:Show nested quote +Exactly. That's basically why I think it was pointless. It's just gossip at that point. I know people like drama and he was more than happy to add to it. But the main effort should have been actually trying to getting to the bottom of the William Blaney accusations (Elyot even said he never believed she wasn't a single person after all). Celerity is the guy who know magicamy the most.(long distance relationship) what he said is: 1) William Blaney is an ex, now she is with Tarei 2) magicamy is a scammer 3) magicamy is crazy 4) magicamy ask her boyfriend to play for her. to know if 4 is true it's important to know if Celerity is trustworthy. Tarei plays with an account name " Ilovemagicamy" so 1 is probably true Jab confirms 2 Elyot confirms 3 it's look like to me that Celerity is trustworthy and that's why Elyot comment is really important and is not just gossip.
I hope you never sit on a jury. I could go make an account somewhere with the screen name "Ilovemagicamy". Would that constitute proof to you that I'm really her boyfriend? A couple of dudes call someone crazy. Who needs medical professionals, amirite? Celerity said it and Elyot agrees = obviously true.
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"I hope you never sit on a jury. "
unfortunatly justice does mistakes all the time, I also hope never sit on a jury 
" I could go make an account somewhere with the screen name "Ilovemagicamy". Would that constitute proof to you that I'm really her boyfriend? "
but no one close to her say that you are her boyfriend 
"A couple of dudes call someone crazy. Who needs medical professionals, amirite? Celerity said it and Elyot agrees = obviously true. "
I wrote in the other thread that a lot of people think she is a liar. I will c/p
+ Show Spoiler +according to jablol she is a liar http://imgur.com/a/MtnQFhttp://www.reddit.com/user/jablolaccording to specialist she will never ever appear on offline event (he is right) http://i.imgur.com/Zck5VWf.png?1according to Elyot, founder of Prismata she is a liar "regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up." http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygzaccording to celerity she is a liar "She lied to me about purchasing a plane ticket to come live with me, and even showed me fake screenshots of a plane ticket with the destination cut off (I mean, really?). " http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copkg47according to her team she is a liar "she posted a picture showing an account named LoveMagicAmy as rank #1, indirectly implying it was her achievement" https://tempostorm.com/articles/tempostorm-parts-ways-with-hyerim-magicamy-leeaccording to magicamy she is better than a bonjwa in SC BW even if no one ever heard of her "I play zerg. A few micro intensive zvz against savior are my most proud wins." https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2reiwo/hi_i_am_ts_magicamy_you_can_ask_me_stuff_i_guess/cnf40dcand according to Callum Leslie, she is a liar "Additionally, one high-ranking source within ESL told the Daily Dot that Hyerim Lee twice changed her reason for withdrawing from the ESL Legendary Series. She first claimed that she had no passport, then that she didn't have a visa, and then finally that her parents were not allowing her to attend. " http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hearthstone-magic-amy-hyerim-lee-identity/
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being a liar is not the same as being a pathological liar. lots of people lie, but not all are compelled to do so from a mental disease.
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On February 24 2015 05:55 sacade wrote:
I wrote in the other thread that a lot of people think she is a liar. I will c/p
Things which are apparently the same: lying and being mentally ill. TIL!
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