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On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man.
Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke.
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On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke.
I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle.
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On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle.
Same place mate, but the accusations of cheating are less hurtful than the "you re a complete fraud" ones imo
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On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle.
I mean, that's a little bit different, isn't it? There was overwhelming proof that Hosty was stream cheating pretty much from the outset. In this case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, sure, but still no clear-cut evidence.
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On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man.
assuming the visa issue is spurious, i do think that not showing up to the ESL finals is suspicious after going through the effort to qualify. and i think you are overreaching on your male vs. female contestant argument. yeah, its a factor, but not as large a factor as you are making it.
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lmao @ all the pathetic white knight losers crying about MUH MISOGYNY and MUH HARASSMENT, seriously just how brainwashed are you? go back to tumblr you retards
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On February 20 2015 04:39 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:56 Daralii wrote:On February 20 2015 03:50 Douillos wrote:On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. Smart post. I think it's important to point something else out: can you imagine how bad she must feel if this is an unjustified accusation ? frustrated wankers in their 20 s going on "investigations " to discredit you. what a fuckIng joke. I'd be curious to know where people with this mindset were during the Ghosty debacle. I mean, that's a little bit different, isn't it? There was overwhelming proof that Hosty was stream cheating pretty much from the outset. In this case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, sure, but still no clear-cut evidence.
Here's the thing. I seem to recall people defending Hosty and saying the evidence was inconclusive at best up to the day Amaz released him from Archon (without verifying the accusations I might add).
On February 20 2015 05:04 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 03:35 piegasm wrote:
I'm specifically talking about people citing MagicAmy declining Skype conversations as if that's suspicious. It isn't. Not streaming? Also not fucking suspicious. Making excuses for not doing these things? Not fucking suspicious. When people badger you to do something you don't want to do and you know it's expected of you and you don't want to seem rude, you make excuses. Everyone does it, so acting like it's suddenly suspicious coming from MagicAmy is BS.
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament.
If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. assuming the visa issue is spurious, i do think that not showing up to the ESL finals is suspicious after going through the effort to qualify. and i think you are overreaching on your male vs. female contestant argument. yeah, its a factor, but not as large a factor as you are making it.
The thing is, I just don't understand the upside of dodging the event versus showing up and just doing bad. The cards are still hers, the deck lists can be the same as from ESL. It's not like SC2 where her lack of mechanical skills would set off a red flag. Apparently she's at least a Legend player anyways so it's not like she'd do something completely dumb like Wild Pyromancer + Force of Nature + Savage Roar. And if she did is that really the worst thing we've seen in a tournament?
I have a hard time believing that she would hoax her way through ESL with a webcam just to skip the live event she knew the weekly lead up to.
BTW for those who don't know Reynad actually accused RDU of having other people play for him in online events in the past. So this isn't exactly a never before seen scandal in Hearthstone. The RDU thing blew over really quickly though and to such an extend that I'm sure most people here have never even heard of the accusation.
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i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke.
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True, but if the MagicAmy accusations are true won't he look extra stupid?
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Do people even read up on the magicamy drama before making all these sexism claims? Can't believe any rational people will believe it's just some anti-female thing instead of all the shady stuff she's done along with the evidence of the online presence of magicamy being two people.
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On February 20 2015 06:24 Wuster wrote:
True, but if the MagicAmy accusations are true won't he look extra stupid?
depends on whether he knew or should have known. if he was taken for a ride, i dont think he'd look that stupid. its an online game and she was an international, not local, player so its not too hard to imagine he thought she was legit.
i did read somewhere that reynad was provided information about her before signing, but he ignored it.
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If Amy really did this, unless she literally knows nothing about hearthstone, she should just have asked for the guy that plays to teach her a few decks for a week or so and just went to the LAN. Even if she did terribly, she can just claim she was nervous or some shit, maybe RNG people a few games and that would be great.
I don't understand how they were running a con and were just dodging all LANs forever, seems like a shitty plan for all the work they were putting with the articles and all that.
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On February 19 2015 14:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 14:20 Gary Oak wrote:
Having not read this until quite a bit after I watched the scandal break, I got quite a chuckle from the post's wording. I'm extra amused by this, as I was actually (a small) part of z33kTV when the whole Vera Lynn thing exploded (I was unaware of it until just before Rifkin went public with it; I was one of the people who formed BaseTrade with him).
I just hope there isn't too much backlash on Tempo Storm itself, as Reynad may have been just as hoodwinked as the rest of us. Reynad will probably get some deserved flak for not "knowing" who he signed but he is definiatley a fraud victim if these allegations are true so he and tempo storm should come out of this ok, and alot smarter
Yeah. Hopefully the backlash won't be too bad. I assume Reynad and TS will keep on keeping on because, I mean, Ghosty still streams, so...
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That's what she told Dailydot too, that they were together and shared online accounts.
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Either way, I'm going just wait until dailydot or tempo storm or whoever 'officially' gets to the bottom of this. Losing too many brain cells trying to keep up with drama =p.
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On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that?
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Assuming the accusations are true, the reason why you wouldn't want to send the "face" of the duo to an offline competition, even with decks that play themselves, is because the "brains" would have been the one who interacted and chatted with other players. Let's say the face goes to the competition and gets asked about a play the brains made in a previous game and has no idea what they're talking about. Or if a player who the brains talked to says hi and the face has no idea who they are or what they talked about.
It's obviously something you'd want to avoid.
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On February 20 2015 09:03 Angryhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 08:57 Wuster wrote:
Celerity's big beef seems to be that she milked him for money, which isn't great, but hardly related to her not playing the games she supposedly played. So that angle seems to just be bad-pr / gossip rather than actual scandal.
Still, having a person who previously scammed money from people in the community isn't the best pr for your team, she doesn't even seem to deny Celeritys claim. Will she not get kicked from TempoStorm just based on that?
regardless of magicamy, i read celerity's skype conversations. he is so pathetic. i cant believe he would post something that makes him look so lame.
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On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke.
The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this?
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On February 20 2015 09:48 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 06:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am not sure anyone takes reynad serious anymore. indeed, i did not know about reynad vs. xixo until i saw this thing about magicamy. he is such a joke. The problem is signing people to your team with out even meeting them ... how can you do this?
i assume you mean face to face. lots of international contracts are drafted and executed without the parties meeting each other face to face. its really not that big of a deal. do you honestly expect a small team like tempostorm to fly out to korea, or fly magicamy to america to meet her before they sign a deal that is likely to be low value?
i assume reynad/TS spoke to magicamy on skype, or communicated with her before she signed on to the team. and i am not sure why anyone would think thats not sufficient for such low stakes contracting.
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