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parkin
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On February 19 2015 18:21 Orcasgt24 wrote: Not a video of her screen, that does nothing. No one is doubting Magicamy is a women. What they are doubting is who is playing the games. The camera would be pointed at her PC set up so you can see her, the game and that shes doing the actions. Yeah I never questioned it too? Seeing her play 10 minutes of a game doesnt indicate anything about her skill level which is why it's a terrible idea. It also doesn't give evidence to whether she herself played the tournament matches or not. Either way, i'm sure tempostorm will handle this eventually. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 19 2015 18:37 TAMinator wrote: Yeah I never questioned it too? Seeing her play 10 minutes of a game doesnt indicate anything about her skill level which is why it's a terrible idea. It also doesn't give evidence to whether she herself played the tournament matches or not. Either way, i'm sure tempostorm will handle this eventually. Given how good Amy is shes more than likely a high legend player so you'd be watching her play vs high legend opponents. If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches. The end result of the video isn't definitive. But its an attempt at proving innocence. This is not a legal setting so staying silent until the day of judgment is not wise, this is a video game community. It is my belief that doing SOMETHING is better than nothing. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On February 19 2015 19:24 Orcasgt24 wrote: Given how good Amy is shes more than likely a high legend player so you'd be watching her play vs high legend opponents. If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches. The end result of the video isn't definitive. But its an attempt at proving innocence. This is not a legal setting so staying silent until the day of judgment is not wise, this is a video game community. It is my belief that doing SOMETHING is better than nothing. If she is getting rolled and making dozens of mistakes then someone else played for her probably. If she plays good and loses than whatever, that happen in card games or if she plays good and wins then its probable she played the matches. You dont base someones skill from one sitting and tournaments require a little different thought process than ladder. Her impulsively going "im innocent guys!" what is that going to achieve? The community will just be like ok... proof? It doesnt go anywhere. Just because she isnt saying anything doesnt mean she's doing nothing. She's probably behind the scenes communicating with tempo storm on how to proceed further. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 19 2015 17:40 litlnoobs wrote: Whether MagicAmy is guilty of not, this "investigation" never would have happened if she was a male. Case in point, there's hundreds of male streamers and players and not once has another streamer sought to "investigate" them. I don't know why I even try though; the gamer "community" continues to be fucking terrible when it comes to females, and I am pretty much at my wits end and continually embarrassed to be a part of it. edit: because the neckbeards will be out in full force today: If MagicAmy is actually guilt, then that's terrible and of course it's important that people know that. However, that investigation is something left to her teammates and team, not some random dude (from another team) who decides to "investigate" because she's a girl and has better results than himself. In addition, Chakki or whoever shouldn't be posting such defaming information without first consulting the team and/or the player, because now, regardless of the outcome, MagicAmy will also be guilty via community prosecution. The whole situation is amateurish Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Hds
France200 Posts
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litlnoobs
United States8 Posts
On February 19 2015 20:10 Numy wrote: Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else. Hafu dodged the competitive scene for a long time, and then when she joined, she had a whole campaign against her which included harassment on various levels, threatening her in real life, and releasing private information and photos. Excuse me if women are a bit scared to join the competitive scene (in ALL "esports") when this is the norm. Basically, you're saying if a lady doesn't go to live comps, then she is guilty of something. And if she does go, then she gets her life ruined. Nice catch 22 you got there. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
I've been extremely suspicious of her since this posting, where her tier list showed a complete and utter lack of understanding of the meta game, everyone who was anywhere near legend or played competitive knew mage was shit tier at the time. I'm glad info finally came out to confirm it. | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On February 19 2015 22:51 Figgy wrote: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/470669-power-rank-october-2014 I've been extremely suspicious of her since this posting, where her tier list showed a complete and utter lack of understanding of the meta game, everyone who was anywhere near legend or played competitive knew mage was shit tier at the time. I'm glad info finally came out to confirm it. Her list is pretty similar to Tarei's who she was said practicing with a lot... And I wouldn't be surprised if the asian meta was kind of wonky.  | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On February 19 2015 23:01 Beamo wrote: Her list is pretty similar to Tarei's who she was said practicing with a lot... And I wouldn't be surprised if the asian meta was kind of wonky. Or it could have just been written by Tarei. | ||
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greenguru
Canada0 Posts
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
On February 19 2015 20:52 Torte de Lini wrote: sweet sweet drama isn't that the best part of an esports journalist? miss u man...wish you would be here for LAN ETS | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
Actually it's because she has dodged every single attempt to get her playing offline even in her own local region. If a male pro player did the same it would just be as suspect. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with her actions. Actively getting close to lots of personalities while never meeting anyone in person and having "issues" arise whenever she has a chance to play offline while continually promising to stream is incredibly strange. I think you just care so much about the female narrative that you'll ignore everything else. I gotta call bullshit on this. Plenty of highly ranked players don't stream or have never been to live events. And getting close to lots of people but never meeting them in person is supposed to be evidence of what? Female gamers just aren't allowed to have friends because, if they don't agree to meet them in person they must be hiding the fact that they're really men? And nobody has any right to blame a woman for being reluctant to stream, because just open your ears and listen to how people talk about female streamers. There's nothing at all weird about a woman being reluctant to sign up for that shit. Hell, why do you think there are so few female pros/streamers to begin with? I'll give you a hint: because the atmosphere in gaming communities is absolutely toxic if you're not straight, white and male and most people would just rather find something else to do with their time. And the business of making excuses about joining Skype with Forsen? When some dude keeps asking you to join Skype and you don't want to and he won't stop asking, what are you supposed to do? You make excuses and every time it happens your excuses get weaker and then some jackass goes and starts "investigating" you because clearly there's something suspicious going on if a woman doesn't want talk to a guy. Sexist attitudes are the only reason why any of this is suspicious to anyone. Even if the rumors are true, if this was a male made-up character, nobody even gives the behavior a 2nd thought. If this was a male made-up character, people believe you when you say "something came up", they don't automatically assume you must be lying, and they take "no" for an answer when you don't want to join a bloody skype call. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
all pro players hang out and talk in skype groups, you can hear about those groups all the time on streams and especially now after this MagicAmy drama. she made a name of herself at beginning by joining those groups. no one randomly started investigating her because she is a girl and good at HS, Chakki who did a lot of work is good friends with JAB who got scammed by MagicAmy. he is also friend with Kitkatz who had his legit doubts since Korea, Sjow today said he knew about that since it happened. Celerity (ex team mate of JAB) tried to warn people behind the scenes for long time ( https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KfNuPCMAEXQyG.jpg ) and it's safe to assume Chakki knew about it. she scammed Prismata people who approached and asked HS pros if she did her job and talked to them about the game, it's also safe to assume pros knew about that issue too. so cut the crap with that "sexist" angle, everything about her was fishy to many pros long time before this shit came out publicly and there was a good reason for it, it wasn't some conspiracy against her just because she is a girl who is good at HS. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On February 20 2015 01:56 piegasm wrote: I gotta call bullshit on this. Plenty of highly ranked players don't stream or have never been to live events. And getting close to lots of people but never meeting them in person is supposed to be evidence of what? Female gamers just aren't allowed to have friends because, if they don't agree to meet them in person they must be hiding the fact that they're really men? And nobody has any right to blame a woman for being reluctant to stream, because just open your ears and listen to how people talk about female streamers. There's nothing at all weird about a woman being reluctant to sign up for that shit. Hell, why do you think there are so few female pros/streamers to begin with? I'll give you a hint: because the atmosphere in gaming communities is absolutely toxic if you're not straight, white and male and most people would just rather find something else to do with their time. And the business of making excuses about joining Skype with Forsen? When some dude keeps asking you to join Skype and you don't want to and he won't stop asking, what are you supposed to do? You make excuses and every time it happens your excuses get weaker and then some jackass goes and starts "investigating" you because clearly there's something suspicious going on if a woman doesn't want talk to a guy. Sexist attitudes are the only reason why any of this is suspicious to anyone. Even if the rumors are true, if this was a male made-up character, nobody even gives the behavior a 2nd thought. If this was a male made-up character, people believe you when you say "something came up", they don't automatically assume you must be lying, and they take "no" for an answer when you don't want to join a bloody skype call. Highly ranked players, sure. But what about professional players? That's a completely different question. The amount of bullshit that female players go through is definitely higher, but there's something strange about qualifying for potential big-money events and refusing to go. There's a huge financial incentive, and things get a little questionable when people avoid financial gain like that. She's one of the more popular female players, that's for sure. She'd probably face a lot less flak than, say, Scarlett experienced in SC2. I'm not convinced she's a fake, and if she provides proof that's even modestly compelling I'll happily give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't want my favorite team to have signed on a phony, and I don't want there to be anything for the misogynists to wave around. But still, there's an obligation to the truth. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
I mean really , who gives a fUk? | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
And again with attending live events. Gaming communities can be incredibly toxic for anyone who isn't straight white and male. It's so breathtakingly easy to be male and be astounded that anyone would turn down the financial incentive but you don't have the first clue what it's like to be one of very few women at an event that's as much of a sausage-fest as an E-sports tournament. If there's evidence, there's evidence and that absolutely needs to come out. I'm not trying to make a case that this is just some tinfoil hat, lizard people shit that's being made up because MagicAmy is female. I'm saying people are citing things as suspicious that absolutely aren't suspicious if you a) have any clue what it's like to exist while female on the internet or b) are talking about the behavior of a man. | ||
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