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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
July 22 2014 01:47 GMT
#161
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.

you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs
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Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 01:54:44
July 22 2014 01:53 GMT
#162
yeah if everyone gets a hard on about this stalag/fuegen combo, people will just start saving a silence for the second of the two. as multiple people have pointed out, the meta immediately following naxx release is likely going to include lots and lots of silence, in just about every deck, so it's not like you'll even have to go out of your way to put it in your deck just for these two cards.

i mean, it'll be really strong when it goes off... i just don't think it'll last terribly long in very many decks because of the conditionality of it.
payed off security
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 22 2014 01:55 GMT
#163
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.


Not only are they not bad cards they are the only individual 5 drops in the game that actually match the vanilla budget.
vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
July 22 2014 02:04 GMT
#164
Wailing Soul + Ancient Watcher looks fun.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2014 02:14 GMT
#165
On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.

you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs

I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
July 22 2014 02:18 GMT
#166
On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.

you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs

I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant.

Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol.
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 02:26:07
July 22 2014 02:20 GMT
#167
Not to comment on any specific card cos it's just one more list to read and who's got the time - but I really like that the focus seems to be on providing tools to combat both rush decks and bursty combo decks. It definitely seems to favor midrange decks... but at the same time, I don't think it will kill the more extreme decks completely, the reason being that you cannot run all of these anti-X tech cards and expect to have a functioning, synergistic deck. And I'm glad it won't kill those decks. Miracle rogue was exciting before it became THE deck to play/beat. Those kinds of decks keep you honest.

I may also be biased because midrange is my most competent playstyle. Anyway, I'm extremely excited. These cards look amazing - few if any have an equivalent effect in the base set.

I'm sure new broken strategies will emerge out of this when the dust settles, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it eh?
payed off security
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2014 02:36 GMT
#168
On July 22 2014 11:18 vRadiatioNv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.

you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs

I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant.

Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol.

How many heroes exactly can mind control anyway? >_>
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
July 22 2014 02:43 GMT
#169
On July 22 2014 11:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 11:18 vRadiatioNv wrote:
On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote:
I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!

For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.

I think it's really well designed.

Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.

you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs

I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant.

Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol.

How many heroes exactly can mind control anyway? >_>

Technically, every Hero with Sylvanas xP. Unreliable yes, but it sure would be great when you pull it off. Time to bust out the old Warlock Sylvanas + Power Overwhelming/Void Terror combo.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 03:06:12
July 22 2014 03:05 GMT
#170
Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rod_zero
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico4 Posts
July 22 2014 03:05 GMT
#171
Wonder if echoing ooze battlecry will work if you return it to your hand.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2014 03:07 GMT
#172
On July 22 2014 12:05 rod_zero wrote:
Wonder if echoing ooze battlecry will work if you return it to your hand.

It should if it functions like other battlecries, but it might just copy a 0-0 instead so you get nothing.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
July 22 2014 03:13 GMT
#173
Probably, if you bounce the original. If the copy doesn't come with the card text I'm not sure, but if the copy DOES come with the card text it would have the potential to get really out of control so I'd be surprised if it does.
payed off security
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
July 22 2014 03:24 GMT
#174
I don't even know where to start with this!!!!

I'm so excited.
vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
July 22 2014 03:39 GMT
#175
On July 22 2014 12:05 Shikyo wrote:
Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled.

I never said it was bad, just that if you are using both of them then there are 2 targets for mind control (the 2nd legendary and Thaddius himself) which makes it more vulnerable. They're still scary as heck obviously but I'm not completely convinced they're OP for many reasons (not just mind control). I expect to see everyone running them for a while though, we'll see how it goes.
weikor
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria580 Posts
July 22 2014 03:41 GMT
#176
I predict classes with silences, or hard removals vs deathrattles / other strong effects (druid and especially shaman and priest) will see a huge increase in strength.

if i had to pick, shaman would take nr1. for the next few months. I can imagine a deck using ancient watchers, owls, earthshocks, hexxes, the new reincarnate, and some of the new cards to be quite effective
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2014 03:42 GMT
#177
On July 22 2014 12:39 vRadiatioNv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 12:05 Shikyo wrote:
Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled.

I never said it was bad, just that if you are using both of them then there are 2 targets for mind control (the 2nd legendary and Thaddius himself) which makes it more vulnerable. They're still scary as heck obviously but I'm not completely convinced they're OP for many reasons (not just mind control). I expect to see everyone running them for a while though, we'll see how it goes.

They are good even without the effect. They're the only 11 stat 5 drops in the game with no negative effects and an enormous potential one. Just drawing a silence is useful for a 11 stat 5 drop.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
July 22 2014 03:45 GMT
#178
I cannot wait to play spectral knight with defender of argus against miracle rogue. Unsappable and near impossible to deal with without board presence.
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
July 22 2014 03:47 GMT
#179
Apparently, you can use Feugen and Stalagg to get two Thaddiuses. Their death is registered before the Deathrattles trigger, so if you kill off both with the same spell or series of events they'll both spawn a Thaddius.

Source:
Who dat ninja?
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
July 22 2014 04:12 GMT
#180
Man, spectral knight seems really strong. Overall I like the cards and I'm extremely curious to see how everything plays out. Definitely going to be seeing a lot more silence being run, that's for sure.
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