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On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves. you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs
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yeah if everyone gets a hard on about this stalag/fuegen combo, people will just start saving a silence for the second of the two. as multiple people have pointed out, the meta immediately following naxx release is likely going to include lots and lots of silence, in just about every deck, so it's not like you'll even have to go out of your way to put it in your deck just for these two cards.
i mean, it'll be really strong when it goes off... i just don't think it'll last terribly long in very many decks because of the conditionality of it.
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On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves.
Not only are they not bad cards they are the only individual 5 drops in the game that actually match the vanilla budget.
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Wailing Soul + Ancient Watcher looks fun.
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On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves. you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant.
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On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves. you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant. Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol.
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Not to comment on any specific card cos it's just one more list to read and who's got the time - but I really like that the focus seems to be on providing tools to combat both rush decks and bursty combo decks. It definitely seems to favor midrange decks... but at the same time, I don't think it will kill the more extreme decks completely, the reason being that you cannot run all of these anti-X tech cards and expect to have a functioning, synergistic deck. And I'm glad it won't kill those decks. Miracle rogue was exciting before it became THE deck to play/beat. Those kinds of decks keep you honest.
I may also be biased because midrange is my most competent playstyle. Anyway, I'm extremely excited. These cards look amazing - few if any have an equivalent effect in the base set.
I'm sure new broken strategies will emerge out of this when the dust settles, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it eh?
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On July 22 2014 11:18 vRadiatioNv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves. you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant. Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol. How many heroes exactly can mind control anyway? >_>
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On July 22 2014 11:36 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 11:18 vRadiatioNv wrote:On July 22 2014 11:14 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:47 Hryul wrote:On July 22 2014 10:44 Shikyo wrote:On July 22 2014 10:13 lionspaw wrote: I didn't go through all the posts, but what people don't realize about Stalagg and Feugen is that you don't have to play both cards yourself!
For example, if your opponent plays Feugen, and you kill it, then you play Stalagg, then your opponent is in a really shitty situation, because if he kills it, you get Thaddius, but if he doesn't kill it, you get 7 power on the board.
I think it's really well designed. Really well designed? Looks super overpowered to me, to be honest... They aren't even bad cards by themselves. you have to set it up and you have to pay 10 mana and hope you don't get silenced. pretty big IFs I'd play a 4-7 vanilla 5 drop with no effect any day. 7-4 isn't as good but it's still 11 points of stats and much better when predicting something like a giant. Not just silence though. As someone has already pointed out, it is possible to mind control the other player's 2nd legendary and summon Thaddius for themselves. I can see the potential for this to backfire lol. How many heroes exactly can mind control anyway? >_> Technically, every Hero with Sylvanas xP. Unreliable yes, but it sure would be great when you pull it off. Time to bust out the old Warlock Sylvanas + Power Overwhelming/Void Terror combo.
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Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled.
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Wonder if echoing ooze battlecry will work if you return it to your hand.
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On July 22 2014 12:05 rod_zero wrote: Wonder if echoing ooze battlecry will work if you return it to your hand. It should if it functions like other battlecries, but it might just copy a 0-0 instead so you get nothing.
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Probably, if you bounce the original. If the copy doesn't come with the card text I'm not sure, but if the copy DOES come with the card text it would have the potential to get really out of control so I'd be surprised if it does.
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I don't even know where to start with this!!!!
I'm so excited.
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On July 22 2014 12:05 Shikyo wrote: Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled. I never said it was bad, just that if you are using both of them then there are 2 targets for mind control (the 2nd legendary and Thaddius himself) which makes it more vulnerable. They're still scary as heck obviously but I'm not completely convinced they're OP for many reasons (not just mind control). I expect to see everyone running them for a while though, we'll see how it goes.
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I predict classes with silences, or hard removals vs deathrattles / other strong effects (druid and especially shaman and priest) will see a huge increase in strength.
if i had to pick, shaman would take nr1. for the next few months. I can imagine a deck using ancient watchers, owls, earthshocks, hexxes, the new reincarnate, and some of the new cards to be quite effective
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On July 22 2014 12:39 vRadiatioNv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 12:05 Shikyo wrote: Well, you can also mind control their Thaddius in return... "It can be mind controlled" is like the worst reason for why a card would be bad, and you can even silence the card if it does get mind controlled. It's like saying Tirion Fordring is a bad card because it can be mind controlled. I never said it was bad, just that if you are using both of them then there are 2 targets for mind control (the 2nd legendary and Thaddius himself) which makes it more vulnerable. They're still scary as heck obviously but I'm not completely convinced they're OP for many reasons (not just mind control). I expect to see everyone running them for a while though, we'll see how it goes. They are good even without the effect. They're the only 11 stat 5 drops in the game with no negative effects and an enormous potential one. Just drawing a silence is useful for a 11 stat 5 drop.
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I cannot wait to play spectral knight with defender of argus against miracle rogue. Unsappable and near impossible to deal with without board presence.
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Apparently, you can use Feugen and Stalagg to get two Thaddiuses. Their death is registered before the Deathrattles trigger, so if you kill off both with the same spell or series of events they'll both spawn a Thaddius.
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Man, spectral knight seems really strong. Overall I like the cards and I'm extremely curious to see how everything plays out. Definitely going to be seeing a lot more silence being run, that's for sure.
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