New Naxx Card - Anub'ar Ambusher - Page 2

On May 15 2014 02:37 NovaTheFeared wrote:
That's a very strong card. It's over budget on stats and the death rattle can either be negated or turned into an advantage.



It's a Rogue card so it would be a very different zoo deck

On May 15 2014 03:30 Hryul wrote:

...there was no mention about a class in the op, so i was confused.

On May 15 2014 03:06 rd wrote:
Seems like it'd be most ideal in a tempo rogue deck, but it doesn't sound as great as it looks. Removing this minion against a tempo rogue removes two minions from their board. At turn 5 or later, most of the cards rogue might replay aren't going to be as impactful by that point in specific match-ups. By turn 5 if it's removed vs a zoo lock, you're probably already dead; by turn 5 vs a number of control decks the impact of the battlecries a rogue might play diminishes greatly, especially if two turns worth of board presence in mana is removed all at once, those battlecries (SI, scrubs, etc) are MUCH weaker. As a miracle rogue, the card has a condition which you don't completely control. It can't be expected to be used in conjunction with a leeroy combo outside of very special circumstances.

Strong card on stats, but the effect is overrated, imo. It'd be way better if they just ditched the deathrattle and made it a combo. Without drastic shifts in the meta following naxx, ambusher is counter intuitive to both win conditions of current rogue decks.

On May 15 2014 03:51 Doc Daneeka wrote:


probably all correct, but rogue has a lot of extremely useful battlecry effects, and a lot of new cards are coming into play so it's not unlikely that the meta is going to become a lot less certain. for awhile there'll be elbow room for people to try to build a deck that takes advantage of this effect. i mean if a "control" deck can make use of a card that discards half your hand in exchange for criminally cheap stats, i'm pretty sure the possible hit to tempo here can be compensated for.

On May 15 2014 04:04 serum321 wrote:
For a card to have higher stats than it should for its mana cost there needs to be a downside, I see no downside to this card in many situations. This card in miracle rogue? Replace loot hoarders with novice engineers and now the "downside" is returning an engineer or si agent to your hand, essentially giving you a free card. 5 toughness is hard enough to remove on its own at that stage of the game and now suddenly you also need to deal with that 1/1 before you can even remove the 5/5. So now miracle has this serious threat you have to deal with and it also means you have less removal for auctioneer later.

Succinctly put, it is a better yeti, already one of the most valuable cards, and its "downside" will more often than not be beneficial.

On May 15 2014 03:30 Hryul wrote:

damn it. that was mean! there was no mention about a class in the op, so i was confused.

On May 15 2014 04:39 figq wrote:
Best card in Hearthstone?
It's better than rag and cairne, imo.

On May 15 2014 04:16 rd wrote:


In such a case, it's not a free card. When counting card advantage you include both cards on board and hand. All it has done is weakened your board state with the upside of replaying the battle cry (and thus a detriment to tempo by "removing" your next play). The upside is completely in the card's stats and its ability to draw that removal in the first place. Replacing ambusher with yeti and simply playing a different card the turn after ambusher would have died is strictly better in the event that the ambusher is removed and gets to proc its deathrattle, even if it bounces the best card conceiveable (minus leeroy, which is sooo situational).

On May 15 2014 05:03 serum321 wrote:

I love it when you say something is essentially something and someone says its not that thing. I didn't say it was a free card, I said it was essentially a free card in that the 1/1 or 3/3 body they leave behind isn't as important as the battlecry itself. The battlecry effect is the free card, a free 0 mana draw a card or a free backstab. In cases such as sending back a damaged golem or bandit it absolutely gives you a free card because it just added a 31st card to your deck and now you have a new 1 mana spell to combo with.

On May 15 2014 05:13 rd wrote:


If I said essentially (which I didn't) then it was in error, it's not essentially anything. It's strictly neutral in card gain. Its transferring a card from your board to your hand, which is a net gain of 0 cards to your deck. And it is NOT a free backstab, it is a backstab and a 3/3 body at the EXPENSE of a 3/3 body, a card draw, and a 4/4 body -- aka, the azure drake (or really any additional card) you COULD have played but are now replaying the SI agent instead.

tl/dr keeping the SI agent on the board and playing another minion is more valuable than losing that additional minion to replay the SI agent (or any battle cry effect card) for another 2 damage.