Healthcare Reform in the US - Page 26

On December 19 2009 00:48 Undisputed- wrote:


Why are you so evil that you condone stealing on a nation wide level.

The money has to come from somewhere, obama doesn't just have a magic endless chest of money.

Forced charity = theft

On December 19 2009 02:11 Mindcrime wrote:


Do you build your own roads?

On December 19 2009 01:22 L wrote:

Well, its neither forced charity, nor theft. Its government taxation for the welfare of the nation which is legal.

But while we're making ridiculous definitions to shift the terms of the debate off somewhere into fantasy land, I might as well state that evil is good because greed, one of the deadly sins, promotes economic efficiency and wealth generation. In that light, being evil and stealing on the nationwide level is fantastic!

There are clearly zero structural flaws in my logic, as with yours. Cheers to you sir, may we both move forward into a new age that is shepherded by blowhards and pontificating populists without regard for anything other than ideologies!

On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.

On December 19 2009 02:37 Undisputed- wrote:


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.

On December 19 2009 02:35 Undisputed- wrote:


How is expecting other people to pay for your healthcare not greedy?

and yes

its stealing.

How about I pay for me you pay for you.

On December 19 2009 02:46 Neobick wrote:



Undisputed, then you cant commentate anything besides your national affairs? So I will search for every instance that you comment on Iran, Iraq, Europe, China, Cuba, France and any other non-US national affairs. Some people are just too much!

On December 19 2009 03:06 Foucault wrote:
Europeans that have strong opinions about your healthcare system in general know nothing at all about it, other than that moron Michael Moore has told them in Sicko.

It's kind of tragic really

On December 19 2009 03:00 Undisputed- wrote:


Seems like a lot of Europeans here have such a strong opinion on the subject of our healthcare system and how we should change it to be more like them. As if they need to justify why it's so much better and to drag us with.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/gop.congress/

61% oppose it, obviously we don't want it. Can't wait for the 2010 elections.

On December 19 2009 02:23 TanGeng wrote:
Roads are terrible example. Many roads have been private. Quite a few others are toll. The most successful example of public constructed transportation system was the Erie canal done by New York. Most other ventures into transportation systems (railroads and canals) on the national and state level were disasters.

The current system of roads in the US would be considered if it was considered a capital venture, but the account is recognizing as a loss and shuffling around tax money to hide that the road system costs a lot of money.

On December 19 2009 03:15 Caller wrote:
oh dear god

who revived this thread

On December 19 2009 03:13 Mystlord wrote:

Don't give us that. You're only looking at the Senate. Let's take an in depth look at the House bill:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/health-care-reforms-popularity
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/more-polling-health-care-reforms-popularity

Obviously it's not that the majority of Americans don't want reform passed. It's just stupidity in the Senate is striking down everything that made the House bill appealing.

Edit:

Source on ownership of roads please? Google isn't helping.

On December 19 2009 03:12 Foucault wrote:
I'm just saying europeans see the issue too black/white and mix in their previous views on America in the argument.

Also it's typical scandinavian to be "concerned" about the well-being of poor people in other parts of the world when they don't have to do anything about it themselves. It's called hypocrisy and not knowing what you're talking about.