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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
December 18 2009 17:11 GMT
#501
On December 19 2009 00:48 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 15:37 Bosu wrote:
I can't imagine how people can be against health care reform. How can people be so evil that they don't believe millions of americans should get good health care.


Why are you so evil that you condone stealing on a nation wide level.

The money has to come from somewhere, obama doesn't just have a magic endless chest of money.

Forced charity = theft


Do you build your own roads?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 18 2009 17:23 GMT
#502
On December 19 2009 02:11 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 00:48 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 18 2009 15:37 Bosu wrote:
I can't imagine how people can be against health care reform. How can people be so evil that they don't believe millions of americans should get good health care.


Why are you so evil that you condone stealing on a nation wide level.

The money has to come from somewhere, obama doesn't just have a magic endless chest of money.

Forced charity = theft


Do you build your own roads?


Roads are terrible example. Many roads have been private. Quite a few others are toll. The most successful example of public constructed transportation system was the Erie canal done by New York. Most other ventures into transportation systems (railroads and canals) on the national and state level were disasters.

The current system of roads in the US would be considered if it was considered a capital venture, but the account is recognizing as a loss and shuffling around tax money to hide that the road system costs a lot of money.
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Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 17:35:31
December 18 2009 17:35 GMT
#503
On December 19 2009 01:22 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 00:48 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 18 2009 15:37 Bosu wrote:
I can't imagine how people can be against health care reform. How can people be so evil that they don't believe millions of americans should get good health care.


Why are you so evil that you condone stealing on a nation wide level.

The money has to come from somewhere, obama doesn't just have a magic endless chest of money.

Forced charity = theft

Well, its neither forced charity, nor theft. Its government taxation for the welfare of the nation which is legal.

But while we're making ridiculous definitions to shift the terms of the debate off somewhere into fantasy land, I might as well state that evil is good because greed, one of the deadly sins, promotes economic efficiency and wealth generation. In that light, being evil and stealing on the nationwide level is fantastic!

There are clearly zero structural flaws in my logic, as with yours. Cheers to you sir, may we both move forward into a new age that is shepherded by blowhards and pontificating populists without regard for anything other than ideologies!


How is expecting other people to pay for your healthcare not greedy?

and yes

its stealing.

How about I pay for me you pay for you.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
December 18 2009 17:37 GMT
#504
On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Gangrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States137 Posts
December 18 2009 17:44 GMT
#505
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Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 17:47:39
December 18 2009 17:46 GMT
#506
On December 19 2009 02:37 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.



Undisputed, then you cant commentate anything besides your national affairs? So I will search for every instance that you comment on Iran, Iraq, Europe, China, Cuba, France and any other non-US national affairs. Some people are just too much!
Use the force.
Gangrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States137 Posts
December 18 2009 17:51 GMT
#507
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
December 18 2009 17:51 GMT
#508
On December 19 2009 02:35 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 01:22 L wrote:
On December 19 2009 00:48 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 18 2009 15:37 Bosu wrote:
I can't imagine how people can be against health care reform. How can people be so evil that they don't believe millions of americans should get good health care.


Why are you so evil that you condone stealing on a nation wide level.

The money has to come from somewhere, obama doesn't just have a magic endless chest of money.

Forced charity = theft

Well, its neither forced charity, nor theft. Its government taxation for the welfare of the nation which is legal.

But while we're making ridiculous definitions to shift the terms of the debate off somewhere into fantasy land, I might as well state that evil is good because greed, one of the deadly sins, promotes economic efficiency and wealth generation. In that light, being evil and stealing on the nationwide level is fantastic!

There are clearly zero structural flaws in my logic, as with yours. Cheers to you sir, may we both move forward into a new age that is shepherded by blowhards and pontificating populists without regard for anything other than ideologies!


How is expecting other people to pay for your healthcare not greedy?

and yes

its stealing.

How about I pay for me you pay for you.



Lol, okay.

Don't bother attacking the reductio ad absurdiem on your lack of justification for your definition then.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
December 18 2009 17:52 GMT
#509
I voted yes, but I changed my mind: No health care reform would probably solve the whole "USA" problem. :-P
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:03:56
December 18 2009 18:00 GMT
#510
On December 19 2009 02:46 Neobick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 02:37 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.



Undisputed, then you cant commentate anything besides your national affairs? So I will search for every instance that you comment on Iran, Iraq, Europe, China, Cuba, France and any other non-US national affairs. Some people are just too much!


Seems like a lot of Europeans here have such a strong opinion on the subject of our healthcare system and how we should change it to be more like them. As if they need to justify why it's so much better and to drag us with.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/gop.congress/

61% oppose it, obviously we don't want it. Can't wait for the 2010 elections.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:06:37
December 18 2009 18:06 GMT
#511
Europeans that have strong opinions about your healthcare system in general know nothing at all about it, other than that moron Michael Moore has told them in Sicko.

It's kind of tragic really
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:10:47
December 18 2009 18:08 GMT
#512
Yes, maybe your right. Let you do what you want.


Bail out the rich is ok, good Health care for poor children isnt?
Use the force.
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
December 18 2009 18:08 GMT
#513
On December 19 2009 03:06 Foucault wrote:
Europeans that have strong opinions about your healthcare system in general know nothing at all about it, other than that moron Michael Moore has told them in Sicko.

It's kind of tragic really

Yeah, the way MM has told them, and the way they get help they can afford when they're sick. Yeah I know, crazy.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
December 18 2009 18:12 GMT
#514
I'm just saying europeans see the issue too black/white and mix in their previous views on America in the argument.

Also it's typical scandinavian to be "concerned" about the well-being of poor people in other parts of the world when they don't have to do anything about it themselves. It's called hypocrisy and not knowing what you're talking about.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:14:32
December 18 2009 18:13 GMT
#515
On December 19 2009 03:00 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 02:46 Neobick wrote:
On December 19 2009 02:37 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.



Undisputed, then you cant commentate anything besides your national affairs? So I will search for every instance that you comment on Iran, Iraq, Europe, China, Cuba, France and any other non-US national affairs. Some people are just too much!


Seems like a lot of Europeans here have such a strong opinion on the subject of our healthcare system and how we should change it to be more like them. As if they need to justify why it's so much better and to drag us with.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/gop.congress/

61% oppose it, obviously we don't want it. Can't wait for the 2010 elections.

Don't give us that. You're only looking at the Senate. Let's take an in depth look at the House bill:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/health-care-reforms-popularity
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/more-polling-health-care-reforms-popularity

Obviously it's not that the majority of Americans don't want reform passed. It's just stupidity in the Senate is striking down everything that made the House bill appealing.

Edit:
On December 19 2009 02:23 TanGeng wrote:
Roads are terrible example. Many roads have been private. Quite a few others are toll. The most successful example of public constructed transportation system was the Erie canal done by New York. Most other ventures into transportation systems (railroads and canals) on the national and state level were disasters.

The current system of roads in the US would be considered if it was considered a capital venture, but the account is recognizing as a loss and shuffling around tax money to hide that the road system costs a lot of money.

Source on ownership of roads please? Google isn't helping.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:15:09
December 18 2009 18:14 GMT
#516
Tbh, I don't really care about it. If they want their shit, they've got it. If they don't, I get it.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 18 2009 18:15 GMT
#517
oh dear god

who revived this thread
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
December 18 2009 18:17 GMT
#518
On December 19 2009 03:15 Caller wrote:
oh dear god

who revived this thread

Thank {CC}StealthBlue

Lieberman sucks and should be impeached for being the most inconsistent turd to ever exist. Even his own party is turning against him.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
December 18 2009 18:18 GMT
#519
On December 19 2009 03:13 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 03:00 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 19 2009 02:46 Neobick wrote:
On December 19 2009 02:37 Undisputed- wrote:
On December 19 2009 01:55 RoyW wrote:
There is no reasonable opposition to a nationalised healthcare system.

It is in everyone's best interest.


Silly Euros, go live in your socialist utopia and leave us out of it.



Undisputed, then you cant commentate anything besides your national affairs? So I will search for every instance that you comment on Iran, Iraq, Europe, China, Cuba, France and any other non-US national affairs. Some people are just too much!


Seems like a lot of Europeans here have such a strong opinion on the subject of our healthcare system and how we should change it to be more like them. As if they need to justify why it's so much better and to drag us with.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/gop.congress/

61% oppose it, obviously we don't want it. Can't wait for the 2010 elections.

Don't give us that. You're only looking at the Senate. Let's take an in depth look at the House bill:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/health-care-reforms-popularity
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/more-polling-health-care-reforms-popularity

Obviously it's not that the majority of Americans don't want reform passed. It's just stupidity in the Senate is striking down everything that made the House bill appealing.

Edit:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 02:23 TanGeng wrote:
Roads are terrible example. Many roads have been private. Quite a few others are toll. The most successful example of public constructed transportation system was the Erie canal done by New York. Most other ventures into transportation systems (railroads and canals) on the national and state level were disasters.

The current system of roads in the US would be considered if it was considered a capital venture, but the account is recognizing as a loss and shuffling around tax money to hide that the road system costs a lot of money.

Source on ownership of roads please? Google isn't helping.


The New Republic (TNR) is an American magazine of politics and the arts. It is published semimonthly and has a circulation of approximately 60,000. The editor-in-chief is Martin Peretz and the current editor is Franklin Foer. The magazine generally supports liberal social and social democratic economic policies, while otherwise taking a hawkish viewpoint on foreign policy, particularly with regard to Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 18:21:06
December 18 2009 18:18 GMT
#520
On December 19 2009 03:12 Foucault wrote:
I'm just saying europeans see the issue too black/white and mix in their previous views on America in the argument.

Also it's typical scandinavian to be "concerned" about the well-being of poor people in other parts of the world when they don't have to do anything about it themselves. It's called hypocrisy and not knowing what you're talking about.



Whats the hypocrisy?, Because you only care about your wallet doesnt mean all of us want to rape everything for cash. Humanity should help each other. It says more about yourself than me honesty.

Greed isnt good Gordon Gekko, cooperation is..

Use the force.
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