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On July 04 2009 17:34 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:28 Drowsy wrote:On July 04 2009 17:00 evandi wrote:
From watching that "painful" video. It is quote illuminating.
A part of Russia can be seen from land in Alaska. (Which is true)
Russian planes do get close to Alaskan Airspace. (Which is also true)
There are several things called the Bush doctrine. Maybe she doesn't agree with all of them. Really, you would have to be retarded to disagree with her response.
A lot of this is also just misspeaking, of which just about any politician or anyone who speaks publicly has examples of as the videos I posted imply.
The part where she was asked about what newspapers she read the question itself was insulting and hence her response.
She has basically made no more mistakes than the average politician under that level of scrutiny, she was just focused on much more so than anyone else because she could have taken the women vote and that scared the sh*t out of the left so much that they felt they had to bury her.
And they buried her by acting like her mistakes were basically the only ones made whereas Biden was just a little goofy and Obama was perfect. lol come on... a leader of the most powerful nation on earth has to be close to damn perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, but she just makes too many. How on earth can you help lead the world if you don't even know what's going on in the world? She made way more mistakes than most politicians, and, duh, that's one of the qualifcations for being leaders of the free world, being damn close to never making mistakes. Oh lol. So which of Bush, Biden, and Obama made few mistakes?
But not on that scale.
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I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more.
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On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more.
I believe stupidity is the correct word you are looking for.
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On July 04 2009 17:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:34 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:28 Drowsy wrote:On July 04 2009 17:00 evandi wrote:
From watching that "painful" video. It is quote illuminating.
A part of Russia can be seen from land in Alaska. (Which is true)
Russian planes do get close to Alaskan Airspace. (Which is also true)
There are several things called the Bush doctrine. Maybe she doesn't agree with all of them. Really, you would have to be retarded to disagree with her response.
A lot of this is also just misspeaking, of which just about any politician or anyone who speaks publicly has examples of as the videos I posted imply.
The part where she was asked about what newspapers she read the question itself was insulting and hence her response.
She has basically made no more mistakes than the average politician under that level of scrutiny, she was just focused on much more so than anyone else because she could have taken the women vote and that scared the sh*t out of the left so much that they felt they had to bury her.
And they buried her by acting like her mistakes were basically the only ones made whereas Biden was just a little goofy and Obama was perfect. lol come on... a leader of the most powerful nation on earth has to be close to damn perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, but she just makes too many. How on earth can you help lead the world if you don't even know what's going on in the world? She made way more mistakes than most politicians, and, duh, that's one of the qualifcations for being leaders of the free world, being damn close to never making mistakes. Oh lol. So which of Bush, Biden, and Obama made few mistakes? But not on that scale.
Bush, and Biden did certainly, Obama got close. Obama has certainly flip-flopped more than any other politician I can even remember so those positions he took and flipped on were either him being completely wrong at some point or he never had those positions and just decided to lie. Either way that's worse than what Palin actually did. Now we have yet to see if she will flip-flop as much as Obama if elected president.
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On July 04 2009 17:38 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. I believe stupidity is the correct word you are looking for.
Probably.
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On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more.
Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences.
Its a far cry from STUPID, RETARDED, OMG WE'LL ALL DIE IF SHE'S ELECTED.
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I guess what I meant to say was "profound displays of ignorance". Yes, all politicians have them, we want the one with the fewest. I don't care if she believes everything I believe 100% as far as political views. If something like what she says in the Couric interview that is exceedingly common, as in she says some total dumbshit statement like that, I don't want that person to be a leader.
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On July 04 2009 17:41 Drowsy wrote:
I guess what I meant to say was "profound displays of ignorance". Yes, all politicians have them, we want the one with the fewest. I don't care if she believes everything I believe 100% as far as political views. If something like what she says in the Couric interview that is exceedingly common, as in she says some total dumbshit statement like that, I don't want that person to be a leader.
Reaaaally, well, Biden has said things of the same level of ignorance and stupidity so I hope you didn't vote for that ticket...
I've seen her in interviews before running for vice-president and she was great, made no mistakes, and seemed very informed. No one jumped on her then.
And she did very well in the debate IMO.
EDIT: She also did very well in her governor's debate before running for national office.
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On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences.
No, that's simply incorrect. You just did exactly what Palin did in the interview.
How does living near a country increase your familiarity with that country, and thus your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Does that mean you converse or have any interaction with that proximal nation's leadership? Do you regularly interact with anyone from that country and does that give you any insight into the whole nation's interests and objectives? Living near a country doesn't make you any more familiar, interacting with them does, and if she could have cited some examples of actually interacting with Russians that would have been a totally fine answer. She didn't, and I suspect it's because she doesn't interact with anyone from Russia despite Alaska's close proximity.
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On July 04 2009 17:44 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:41 Drowsy wrote:
I guess what I meant to say was "profound displays of ignorance". Yes, all politicians have them, we want the one with the fewest. I don't care if she believes everything I believe 100% as far as political views. If something like what she says in the Couric interview that is exceedingly common, as in she says some total dumbshit statement like that, I don't want that person to be a leader. Reaaaally, well, Biden has said things of the same level of ignorance and stupidity so I hope you didn't vote for that ticket... I've seen her in interviews before running for vice-president and she was great, made no mistakes, and seemed very informed. No one jumped on her then. And she did very well in the debate IMO. EDIT: She also did very well in her governor's debate before running for national office.
OTHER POLITICIANS ARE DUMB TOO!11. It doesn't matter how well she did in the governor's debate, a governor has a lot less to actually worry about and don't need to be as well informed and educated. When faced with a more difficult task which demanded more of her, she crumbled because she's not smart enough. Debates are so tightly scripted and moderated it'd be rather difficult to fail. Once confronted with an interview in a more open environment where less things were under control, we got a much more accurate glimpse in her analytical skills and intelligence. You've made absolutely no defense of Palin's intelligence, just deflect, deflect, deflect. I don't like to quote myself, but:
On July 04 2009 17:22 Drowsy wrote:I disagree. In fact, I feel precisely the opposite. I actually agree with many of Palin's positions, but I think she's unequivacobly unintelligent. Listening to her speak, it's as though she's just regurgitating her party's platform without any real analysis or thought put into why. She can read through the script and take a position on an issue, but can't process exactly why that position is superior to alternatives. Watching her telling interview with Couric reveals that when pressed for any sort of analysis on why she holds a particular position, she's completely at a loss. I think this commentator is full of shit and has it completely backward. Sarah Palin IS stupid and is just reciting the Republican platform, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant to judging her intelligence. If she was a Democrat and recited a more extreme version of whatever the Democrat's platform is, she's still stupid. I think the same way about Biden, dude is a fucking retard. Sarah, why does being right next to Russia enhance your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Because they're right next to me!
I'm done, you've obviously got some unshakable hardon for a really stupid woman who should not be in power. Or you're a very skilled troll.
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On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. Its a far cry from STUPID, RETARDED, OMG WE'LL ALL DIE IF SHE'S ELECTED.
I am still trying to work out if you are for real, evandi.
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On July 04 2009 17:52 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. Its a far cry from STUPID, RETARDED, OMG WE'LL ALL DIE IF SHE'S ELECTED. I am still trying to work out if you are for real, evandi.
haha, me too Arbiter..
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On July 04 2009 17:50 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. No, that's simply incorrect. You just did exactly what Palin did in the interview. How does living near a country increase your familiarity with that country, and thus your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Does that mean you converse or have any interaction with that proximal nation's leadership? Do you regularly interact with anyone from that country and does that give you any insight into the whole nation's interests and objectives? Living near a country doesn't make you any more familiar, interacting with them does, and if she could have cited some examples of actually interacting with Russians that would have been a totally fine answer. She didn't, and I suspect it's because she doesn't interact with anyone from Russia despite Alaska's close proximity.
How is this so difficult to understand it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. It doesn't imply anything but that she is more familiar with Russia than the average person. It implies that its probably on her mind more than the average person. I don't believe I or she claimed any more than that.
It is something worth stating and doesn't in any way claim expertise.
You are blowing this way out of proportion as is the anti-Palin custom.
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On July 04 2009 17:52 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:44 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:41 Drowsy wrote:
I guess what I meant to say was "profound displays of ignorance". Yes, all politicians have them, we want the one with the fewest. I don't care if she believes everything I believe 100% as far as political views. If something like what she says in the Couric interview that is exceedingly common, as in she says some total dumbshit statement like that, I don't want that person to be a leader. Reaaaally, well, Biden has said things of the same level of ignorance and stupidity so I hope you didn't vote for that ticket... I've seen her in interviews before running for vice-president and she was great, made no mistakes, and seemed very informed. No one jumped on her then. And she did very well in the debate IMO. EDIT: She also did very well in her governor's debate before running for national office. OTHER POLITICIANS ARE DUMB TOO!11. It doesn't matter how well she did in the governor's debate, a governor has a lot less to actually worry about and don't need to be as well informed and educated. When faced with a more difficult task which demanded more of her, she crumbled because she's not smart enough. Debates are so tightly scripted and moderated it'd be rather difficult to fail. Once confronted with an interview in a more open environment where less things were under control, we got a much more accurate glimpse in her analytical skills and intelligence. You've made absolutely no defense of Palin's intelligence, just deflect, deflect, deflect. I don't like to quote myself, but: Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:22 Drowsy wrote:On July 04 2009 15:58 Sativader wrote:Skeptoid - Sarah Palin Is Not StupidEveryone in this thread should listen to this podcast. It's short, and despite the title not actually arguing in support of Palin. I disagree. In fact, I feel precisely the opposite. I actually agree with many of Palin's positions, but I think she's unequivacobly unintelligent. Listening to her speak, it's as though she's just regurgitating her party's platform without any real analysis or thought put into why. She can read through the script and take a position on an issue, but can't process exactly why that position is superior to alternatives. Watching her telling interview with Couric reveals that when pressed for any sort of analysis on why she holds a particular position, she's completely at a loss. I think this commentator is full of shit and has it completely backward. Sarah Palin IS stupid and is just reciting the Republican platform, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant to judging her intelligence. If she was a Democrat and recited a more extreme version of whatever the Democrat's platform is, she's still stupid. I think the same way about Biden, dude is a fucking retard. Sarah, why does being right next to Russia enhance your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Because they're right next to me! I'm done, you've obviously got some unshakable hardon for a really stupid woman who should not be in power. Or you're a very skilled troll.
"OTHER POLITICIANS ARE DUMB TOO!11. It doesn't matter how well she did in the governor's debate, a governor has a lot less to actually worry about and don't need to be as well informed and educated. When faced with a more difficult task which demanded more of her, she crumbled because she's not smart enough. Debates are so tightly scripted and moderated it'd be rather difficult to fail. Once confronted with an interview in a more open environment where less things were under control, we got a much more accurate glimpse in her analytical skills and intelligence. You've made absolutely no defense of Palin's intelligence, just deflect, deflect, deflect. I don't like to quote myself, but:"
It's not really that they are dumb, it is just normal to be informed to that level. People who run for high office are generally only good at running for high office. You have to be pretty uninformed to think they are all experts on everything. They have advisers. These advisers are reaaaally bad at the charisma thing but reaaaally well informed and sharp about whatever is their specialty.
My defense of Palin's intelligence included pointing out that she did well in the vp debate and the governors debate. So you are exaggerating. I also pointed out that a large portion of the things that are used against her are just her misspeaking in a way that is common, and this implies nothing bad about her intelligence.
"I'm done, you've obviously got some unshakable hardon for a really stupid woman who should not be in power. Or you're a very skilled troll"
Um, well I think she was doing very well before the media dog-piled on her.
Now as for the troll comment. I already mentioned that there are millions of conservatives who feel the way I do. If you want to label them all as trolls than you are simply a political hack.
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On July 04 2009 17:52 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. Its a far cry from STUPID, RETARDED, OMG WE'LL ALL DIE IF SHE'S ELECTED. I am still trying to work out if you are for real, evandi.
I cannot fathom how people are so unaware of conservative blogs such as Hot-Air, Free-Republic (which is the opposite in politics to dailykos but just as rabid and partison) and Michelle Malkin's blog.
I don't agree with them on the war or many social issues, but they and I would and do defend exactly this position about Palin.
However, I don't really think that many people at Free-Republic (or dailykos) are often brave enough to actually argue with people outside their sanctuary (website), however I do.
You can go there now and search for Palin and find many people far more rabid than I who would, if they post as they do there here, would be insta-banned lol.
Once again, let me stress I do not share all their views, but to label me and all of them as trolls is an absolutely fucking retarded cowardly act (unless you just honestly really don't know)...
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euh? never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his own level and beat you with experience?? ^^
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The debate over Palin's intelligence is really simple to solve. Just look at what she named her kids. She's clearly pretty dumb.
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On July 04 2009 18:21 Kolean.Tellan wrote:
euh? never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his own level and beat you with experience?? ^^
I shall avoid arguing with you good sir.
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On July 04 2009 18:05 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 17:50 Drowsy wrote:On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. No, that's simply incorrect. You just did exactly what Palin did in the interview. How does living near a country increase your familiarity with that country, and thus your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Does that mean you converse or have any interaction with that proximal nation's leadership? Do you regularly interact with anyone from that country and does that give you any insight into the whole nation's interests and objectives? Living near a country doesn't make you any more familiar, interacting with them does, and if she could have cited some examples of actually interacting with Russians that would have been a totally fine answer. She didn't, and I suspect it's because she doesn't interact with anyone from Russia despite Alaska's close proximity. How is this so difficult to understand it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. It doesn't imply anything but that she is more familiar with Russia than the average person. It implies that its probably on her mind more than the average person. I don't believe I or she claimed any more than that. It is something worth stating and doesn't in any way claim expertise. You are blowing this way out of proportion as is the anti-Palin custom.
But the point of the question was to get some idea about her expertise and knowledge about foreign policy (even a basic understanding). And she gave a completely nonsensical answer and she's rightfully so ridiculed about it, just like any politician running for office should be.
Of course it shouldn't be the only or main argument against her, but god damn are you seriously saying that you're satisfied with her answer and don't see anything wrong in it? If yes then you have some insanely low standards for government officials.
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On July 04 2009 18:28 Jusciax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 18:05 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:50 Drowsy wrote:On July 04 2009 17:40 evandi wrote:On July 04 2009 17:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
I am not sure that "mistakes" is really the right word for Palin's many amusing comments. I mean, a mistake might be something like saying in an interview that Karachi was the capital of Pakistan instead of Islamabad, or something like that.
Being asked about foreign policy towards Russia, and thinking that saying that one's own state is next to Russia is an appropriate, intelligent comment to make, then following this up (and I am laughing as I type this) with: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" is utterly ridiculous.
They are not really mistakes in the normal sense. They are something rather more. Actually, living near a country does imply familiarity with that country. It isn't everything, but it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. No, that's simply incorrect. You just did exactly what Palin did in the interview. How does living near a country increase your familiarity with that country, and thus your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Does that mean you converse or have any interaction with that proximal nation's leadership? Do you regularly interact with anyone from that country and does that give you any insight into the whole nation's interests and objectives? Living near a country doesn't make you any more familiar, interacting with them does, and if she could have cited some examples of actually interacting with Russians that would have been a totally fine answer. She didn't, and I suspect it's because she doesn't interact with anyone from Russia despite Alaska's close proximity. How is this so difficult to understand it is a little thing to say about ones experiences. It doesn't imply anything but that she is more familiar with Russia than the average person. It implies that its probably on her mind more than the average person. I don't believe I or she claimed any more than that. It is something worth stating and doesn't in any way claim expertise. You are blowing this way out of proportion as is the anti-Palin custom. But the point of the question was to get some idea about her expertise and knowledge about foreign policy (even a basic understanding). And she gave a completely nonsensical answer and she's rightfully so ridiculed about it, just like any politician running for office should be. Of course it shouldn't be the only or main argument against her, but god damn are you seriously saying that you're satisfied with her answer and don't see anything wrong in it? If yes then you have some insanely low standards for government officials.
I don't think what she said implied that she was an expert on foreign policy. So, ya, I was satisfied with her answer.
Which candidate that ran was actually an expert on foreign policy? None of them. They have advisers. You have insanely misguided views on what kinds of "super-creatures" run things.
They excel at getting votes, nothing more. None of them are experts, they rely on their advisers.
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