EPThttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html
There's the results of a quick search i did. Looks like more debt than all the other presidents combined to me.
EDIT: fixed spelling errors. I R GUD ATT THE ENGLISH.
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animus123
United States171 Posts
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html There's the results of a quick search i did. Looks like more debt than all the other presidents combined to me. EDIT: fixed spelling errors. I R GUD ATT THE ENGLISH. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
Take that katie couric thing for instance. They made a HUGE deal about how she wasn't up on current events because she didn't know the details about that law that got overturned by the supreme court. They're all like "biden knew and palin didn't!!!" Well guess what? Biden WROTE that specific piece of legislation, it was his freaking law. Of course he knows all the details about it getting overturned. But did they ever mention that? Of course not, it would mean that Palin maybe isn't as stupid as they can make her look. | ||
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ryuu_
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
obviously all an evil conspiracy | ||
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animus123
United States171 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ok animus, master of economics, what would you recommend as a solution ? Since you know whats best. With your years of education on the matter, like MSNBC financial shows. The MSNBC reference was merely to show you that even hardcore Obama supporters don't understand where he's going with this. I was trying for a bit of subtlety there. Forgive me if it went over your head. As a solution, first of all just bank this health care proposal for now. It's not a terrible idea, it needs a lot of refinement but we simply don't have the money for it at this point in time. Second, I loved how he said he would go Line by Line through the budget proposals to get out all the pork and then passes billlions of dollars of it. Work on that. Third, the taxes. I'd say get rid of them but that would cause people's heads to explode. Let's start with the capital gains tax. Remember that thing? Clinton got rid of it too. One of the reasons why his economy was so good. Make it go away. Also this whole taxing the rich thing. Makes sense in your head because those damn rich people are so evil. But it's terrible plan. Cut those. Rich people are not evil(well some are) and they one of the driving forces of our economy. They employ a lot, already pay a lot just because they make a lot, and spend a lot. Fourth, people are bothering me to play dota so i'm probably going to be leaving this thread soon. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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animus123
United States171 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:35 n.DieJokes wrote: I love hearing people talk about the economy in vague generalities and attributing its up's and down's to X's and Y's which, really are just arbitary factors. I really doubt theres more than a handful of people on this Earth who truely understand what's going on and why and what to do about the economy. Seriously, I don't think you can take steps to FIX the economy, just address problems created by a weak economy. This is true. | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:34 Mindcrime wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E obviously all an evil conspiracy Umm... ok. when people claimed over and over that trig was actually not her son that was not bias? When it made the mainstream news with absolutely no evidence at all there was no bias at all? Biden has made many mistakes. Obama also made many mistakes. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
she's such a stupid woman. i analyzed her speeches a few times, and she does the same stupid thing where she says one thing such as "I'm resigning as Governer of Alaska" and follows up red herrings: "to fight for our state, and I choose to do this.. I support smaller government." The dumb bitch makes absolutely no sense. In her debate against Biden, she did so terribly even when Biden didn't even mention her at all. If she's thinking of national office, how would she handle town hall debates when no-named Republicans are going to attack her in order to build up their campaign? Whatever, I think she's done. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:44 evandi wrote: Umm... ok. when people claimed over and over that trig was actually not her son that was not bias? When it made the mainstream news with absolutely no evidence at all there was no bias at all? The evidence was Bristol. People were wrong about Trig, but 100% right about Bristol being pregnant. And where do you get your news from again? The 100% unbiased sources that told you about Obama's mastermind of an illiterate step-grandmother? | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:52 Mindcrime wrote: The evidence was Bristol. People were wrong about Trig, but 100% right about Bristol being pregnant. And where do you get your news from again? The 100% unbiased sources that told you about Obama's mastermind of an illiterate step-grandmother? Did I claim they were unbiased sources? There is no such thing. No, I actually tend to look just about everywhere for news. I in general am suspicious of politicians getting into nice schools and due to the bias in the media I tend to have to not completely rely on mainstream news all of the time. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:35 animus123 wrote: The MSNBC reference was merely to show you that even hardcore Obama supporters don't understand where he's going with this. I was trying for a bit of subtlety there. Forgive me if it went over your head. As a solution, first of all just bank this health care proposal for now. It's not a terrible idea, it needs a lot of refinement but we simply don't have the money for it at this point in time. Second, I loved how he said he would go Line by Line through the budget proposals to get out all the pork and then passes billlions of dollars of it. Work on that. Third, the taxes. I'd say get rid of them but that would cause people's heads to explode. Let's start with the capital gains tax. Remember that thing? Clinton got rid of it too. One of the reasons why his economy was so good. Make it go away. Also this whole taxing the rich thing. Makes sense in your head because those damn rich people are so evil. But it's terrible plan. Cut those. Rich people are not evil(well some are) and they one of the driving forces of our economy. They employ a lot, already pay a lot just because they make a lot, and spend a lot. Fourth, people are bothering me to play dota so i'm probably going to leaving this thread soon. 1. Health care is a human issue, not a monetary issue. We lose more money because of sick work days, and uninsured, than what the cost of health care reform is asking. 2. This is not Obamas fault. There are senate republicans and democrats that pushed there constitutes spending plans into the stimulus bill. This is a problem that should be addressed on both sides of the political spectrum. 3. Taxes and regulation is not there to punish the rich. the entire system was put in place for the benefit of all who pay taxes. The economy runs better when for everyone when we as people address monetary problems with shared responsibility. as a general rule, the smaller the divide between the rich and poor, the more stronger the economy. 4. that is a convenient way to have the last word  back on topic: whos is gonna replace her? will there be another election? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:56 hiro protagonist wrote: back on topic: whos is gonna replace her? the lieutenant governor | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On July 04 2009 12:35 n.DieJokes wrote: I love hearing people talk about the economy in vague generalities and attributing its up's and down's to X's and Y's which, really are just arbitary factors. I really doubt theres more than a handful of people on this Earth who truely understand what's going on and why and what to do about the economy. Seriously, I don't think you can take steps to FIX the economy, just address problems created by a weak economy. +1 | ||
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humbert_humbert
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On July 04 2009 09:00 Mindcrime wrote: I would not be surprised if she got caught doing something and is getting out as quickly as she can. Yeah, that's where I went too. If you watch the video of her resignation, she makes no sense (even by her standards it sounds a bit crazy). I can't imagine what kind of scandal it could be though, seeing as she has already been embroiled in, say, troopergate (among others). I don't buy that it's for 2012. She says in her speech that she is looking for something outside of politics, and it seems like a few "close friends" (whatever that means) were quoted saying she is going to continue to be visible, but not in a political way. Maybe she had an affair and someone found out about it. Given the recent Sanford debacle, it would make sense that if she did and republican people got wind of it, they might pressure her to gtfo before someone had a chance to tell the media. Has anyone posted the clip of her speech yet? | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
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R3condite
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Descent
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On July 04 2009 12:23 animus123 wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html There's the results of a quick search i did. Looks like more debt than all the other presidents combined to me. EDIT: fixed spelling errors. I R GUD ATT THE ENGLISH. Is the essential sentence in that article on which you are relying "The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined." by chance? From my own quick searches, the current national debt is approximately 11.5 trillion USD. Barack Obama became the incumbent president on Jan. 20, 2009, when the national debt was approximately 10.6 trillion USD. So during the Obama presidency, the national debt increased by 0.9 trillion USD. The national debt prior to the Obama presidency is what all former presidents have accumulated since the nation was founded, and that totals the 10.6 trillion USD that the Obama administration started with. The previous president, George W. Bush, was the incumbent from Jan. 20, 2001 to Jan. 20, 2009, a span of 8 years. During that time, the national debt went from approximately 5.7 trillion USD to approximately 10.6 trillion USD, with an increase of 4.9 trillion USD. Granted, the Bush administration was responsible for 8 whole years, whereas the Obama administration has only been responsible for approximately half a year. Dividing the earlier figure by 8, I got that the Bush administration increased the national debt by approximately 0.6 trillion USD per year, or ~600 billion USD/year. Going by the same rough calculation, the Obama administration will see the national debt increase during its first year by approximately 1.7 trillion USD. A large number indeed, but still only theoretical, meaning that the actual number could turn out to be either larger or smaller than 1.7 trillion USD. Regardless, the current 0.9 trillion USD is still smaller than the 10.6 trillion USD accumulated by former presidents, and smaller than the 4.9 trillion USD increase of George W. Bush. Anyway, do you have any other sources than the one you linked to? I would be interested in reading a few more articles. (Someone kindly point out if I got the numbers wrong. Thanks~) | ||
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