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ghrur
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On July 04 2009 14:42 Descent wrote: Is the essential sentence in that article on which you are relying "The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined." by chance? From my own quick searches, the current national debt is approximately 11.5 trillion USD. Barack Obama became the incumbent president on Jan. 20, 2009, when the national debt was approximately 10.6 trillion USD. So during the Obama presidency, the national debt increased by 0.9 trillion USD. The national debt prior to the Obama presidency is what all former presidents have accumulated since the nation was founded, and that totals the 10.6 trillion USD that the Obama administration started with. The previous president, George W. Bush, was the incumbent from Jan. 20, 2001 to Jan. 20, 2009, a span of 8 years. During that time, the national debt went from approximately 5.7 trillion USD to approximately 10.6 trillion USD, with an increase of 4.9 trillion USD. Granted, the Bush administration was responsible for 8 whole years, whereas the Obama administration has only been responsible for approximately half a year. Dividing the earlier figure by 8, I got that the Bush administration increased the national debt by approximately 0.6 trillion USD per year, or ~600 billion USD/year. Going by the same rough calculation, the Obama administration will see the national debt increase during its first year by approximately 1.7 trillion USD. A large number indeed, but still only theoretical, meaning that the actual number could turn out to be either larger or smaller than 1.7 trillion USD. Regardless, the current 0.9 trillion USD is still smaller than the 10.6 trillion USD accumulated by former presidents, and smaller than the 4.9 trillion USD increase of George W. Bush. Anyway, do you have any other sources than the one you linked to? I would be interested in reading a few more articles. (Someone kindly point out if I got the numbers wrong. Thanks~) The numbers are slightly wrong because of context. Bush signed the 800 billion stimulus to happen in two parts, 350B and 450B. The 350B went through, and the 450B would happen if he asked congress. At this time Obama was elected to be the next president, and Bush asked if Obama wanted the other 450B. Obama said yes, and since Bush was the *actual* president at the time, he asked congress to put up the funds. Bush 4.45T Obama 1.35T + 1st year congressional budget (is this 500B, I forget) + 2 + 3 + 4. Plus Cap and Trade and Obamacare will pass this year (because he isn't risking losing seats when he can pass it now). Add in the 200B(ish) for the funding of Afghanistan and I wouldn't be surprised if obama caps Bush in just his first term. About Palin, she is inarticulate, like Bush, so she gets labeled as a moron (Bush graduated with a 3.9 GPA, unless my reading lacks credit). She seems like a nice woman, but she isn't a cutthroat bitch like Hillary so she isn't able to go nearly as far. I doubt she will run in 2012, and I would put more money on Obama digging his own grave and people hate voting against him than a republican winning on merit. Obama only had 65 million votes cast for him, out of 310 million, with 59 million for McCain. If you think 3-6 million people won't be pissed off and/or dissillusioned and/or actually vote this time, you should look more carefully at the situation. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On July 04 2009 13:48 Probe. wrote: SARAH PALIN WILL DESTROY EVERYONE IN 2012 SARAH PALIN NEW BONJWA! ALL HAIL DSKLJKJVConservatives!!! | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
that's like a C+? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/ | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On July 04 2009 15:23 ghrur wrote: No. Bush didn't have a 3.9 if his cumulative score was 77. o_o that's like a C+? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/ I guess whoever I read must have cherry picked the classes he took for a 3.9 then lol. That's why I put the disclaimer, I found it suspect however I will take people at face value unless they are trying to be deliberately dishonest. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On July 04 2009 08:48 TheOvermind77 wrote: Dammit, she just resigned as governor of Alaska, which means that she is probably setting the stage for a 2012 bid. I'm cringing at this. Especially because I live in Kentucky and all of the rednecks are rejoicing. I heard someone say "She is so smart and she speaks from the heart!" 2012 is supposed to be the end of the world, right? F#&k I thought the world ended in 2000 already.. | ||
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Sativader
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Everyone in this thread should listen to this podcast. It's short, and despite the title not actually arguing in support of Palin. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On July 04 2009 10:24 evandi wrote: Palin is not stupid. However there is a massive amount of ignorance out there. I already pointed out so long ago in the 2008 political thread why most of the crap said about her was baseless. People have insinuated the most vile crap from the very beginning before they knew anything about her other than that she was from Alaska, and the media ignored almost every time Biden or even Obama made a mistake. Obama cannot complete a sentence without a god damned teleprompter in front of him. Don't tell me that Palin is stupid. No, Palin is not stupid.. Two videos i posted up there proves that.. *sigh* | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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Ilvy
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CongoJack
Canada417 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10829 Posts
On July 04 2009 16:11 Samurai- wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&feature=channel hahaha this is so painful to watch lol | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
A part of Russia can be seen from land in Alaska. (Which is true) Russian planes do get close to Alaskan Airspace. (Which is also true) There are several things called the Bush doctrine. Maybe she doesn't agree with all of them. Really, you would have to be retarded to disagree with her response. A lot of this is also just misspeaking, of which just about any politician or anyone who speaks publicly has examples of as the videos I posted imply. The part where she was asked about what newspapers she read the question itself was insulting and hence her response. She has basically made no more mistakes than the average politician under that level of scrutiny, she was just focused on much more so than anyone else because she could have taken the women vote and that scared the sh*t out of the left so much that they felt they had to bury her. And they buried her by acting like her mistakes were basically the only ones made whereas Biden was just a little goofy and Obama was perfect. | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On July 04 2009 15:58 Sativader wrote: Skeptoid - Sarah Palin Is Not Stupid Everyone in this thread should listen to this podcast. It's short, and despite the title not actually arguing in support of Palin. I disagree. In fact, I feel precisely the opposite. I actually agree with many of Palin's positions, but I think she's unequivacobly unintelligent. Listening to her speak, it's as though she's just regurgitating her party's platform without any real analysis or thought put into why. She can read through the script and take a position on an issue, but can't process exactly why that position is superior to alternatives. Watching her telling interview with Couric reveals that when pressed for any sort of analysis on why she holds a particular position, she's completely at a loss. I think this commentator is full of shit and has it completely backward. Sarah Palin IS stupid and is just reciting the Republican platform, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant to judging her intelligence. If she was a Democrat and recited a more extreme version of whatever the Democrat's platform is, she's still stupid. I think the same way about Biden, dude is a fucking retard. Sarah, why does being right next to Russia enhance your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability? Because they're right next to me! | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On July 04 2009 17:00 evandi wrote: From watching that "painful" video. It is quote illuminating. A part of Russia can be seen from land in Alaska. (Which is true) Russian planes do get close to Alaskan Airspace. (Which is also true) There are several things called the Bush doctrine. Maybe she doesn't agree with all of them. Really, you would have to be retarded to disagree with her response. A lot of this is also just misspeaking, of which just about any politician or anyone who speaks publicly has examples of as the videos I posted imply. The part where she was asked about what newspapers she read the question itself was insulting and hence her response. She has basically made no more mistakes than the average politician under that level of scrutiny, she was just focused on much more so than anyone else because she could have taken the women vote and that scared the sh*t out of the left so much that they felt they had to bury her. And they buried her by acting like her mistakes were basically the only ones made whereas Biden was just a little goofy and Obama was perfect. Palin, is that you ? | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On July 04 2009 17:00 evandi wrote: From watching that "painful" video. It is quote illuminating. A part of Russia can be seen from land in Alaska. (Which is true) Russian planes do get close to Alaskan Airspace. (Which is also true) There are several things called the Bush doctrine. Maybe she doesn't agree with all of them. Really, you would have to be retarded to disagree with her response. A lot of this is also just misspeaking, of which just about any politician or anyone who speaks publicly has examples of as the videos I posted imply. The part where she was asked about what newspapers she read the question itself was insulting and hence her response. She has basically made no more mistakes than the average politician under that level of scrutiny, she was just focused on much more so than anyone else because she could have taken the women vote and that scared the sh*t out of the left so much that they felt they had to bury her. And they buried her by acting like her mistakes were basically the only ones made whereas Biden was just a little goofy and Obama was perfect. lol come on... a leader of the most powerful nation on earth has to be close to damn perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, but she just makes too many. How on earth can you help lead the world if you don't even know what's going on in the world? She made way more mistakes than most politicians, and, duh, that's one of the qualifcations for being leaders of the free world, being damn close to never making mistakes. | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On July 04 2009 17:28 Drowsy wrote: lol come on... a leader of the most powerful nation on earth has to be close to damn perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, but she just makes too many. How on earth can you help lead the world if you don't even know what's going on in the world? She made way more mistakes than most politicians, and, duh, that's one of the qualifcations for being leaders of the free world, being damn close to never making mistakes. Oh lol. So which of Bush, Biden, and Obama made few mistakes? | ||
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