Iranian protests - Page 19

On June 17 2009 12:39 MarklarMarklar wrote:
jibba is a moron cause he cannot comprehend that the government behaviour to it all strongly indicates cheatin.

fuck proof, they gave it long ago, and there's no court in a revolution. screw proof, and its not even about the vote anymore, it's about change, remove the regime.

On June 17 2009 12:58 ninjafetus wrote:
I don't know... if I legitimately won an election, and that legitimacy was in question, I would probably try to convince people by some other method than trying to shut down all communication with the outside world.

No, we don't have a smoking gun here, but I don't see the motivation behind the behavior of Ahmadinejad if he really did win. I see plenty of motivation for his actions if he has something to hide.

On June 17 2009 12:02 {ToT}Strafe wrote:


So you spent a year learning about Iran, in depth even! Yet all you can say is, the poll is not rigged, even though it clearly is. You should know Mr Scholar that if you do not give a source for anything you say, you actually did pull it out of your ass. You aren't making any logical posts other than: "Look guys I'm from Iran, my word is better than yours, therefore you are wrong." I've stopped reading your posts at one point, because you are painfully annoying, stubborn and bland.

It's even hilarious that you read LastRomantics post as a criticism to you, whilst it clearly was a response to another person asking him questions. He never said knowing the capital of Iran had anything to do with anything, yet you perceive it as such.

To be honest though, my post is biased. I never liked you anyway, so whatever I said is wrong.

pls everyone change your location on tweeter to IRAN inc timezone GMT+3.30 hrs - #Iranelection - cont....

It seems that most of protesters are resting to gear up for their afternoon rally! It's calm now. #IranElection

to supporters of Mousavi: bring flowers with yourself for today's rally at 4 in 7-tir sq to give to Basijis #iranelection

insightful discussion panel with C. Rose, N. Burns, F. Leverett, A. Milani and H. Majd http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10385 #IranElection

On June 17 2009 14:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
List of fake Iran Twitters:
http://twitspam.org/

Two Iranian soldiers kiss before they go to battle (Iran-Iraq war).

I was born in 1984, amid a devastating war that had laid waste and destruction to my country. I was born between two subsequent nights of bombing raids. I was born into rationing, despair and hardship. I was born when young lives perished at the fronts. My father later told me that when I was born 1984 sounded so much like the 1984 predicted by Orwell. But my birth had turned over the glum outlook for my parents and 1984 had become a sign of hope, a hope for a future to come, or as my father put it, “a better future for my child to live.”

My parents were not alone in this. During the baby boom of 1983 to 1986, millions of us came into this world, mouths to feed and miracles to be cherished. There and then a new generation was born, a generation who would bear witness to the legacy of generations of their parents, a legacy that was mainly composed of one thing, “the Islamic Republic.”

In later years, in our schools, on TV, in books and newspapers they told us that before our time lived a tyrant who held a firm grip on our country, and that the defiant and valiant nation of Iran had risen up and overthrown him to establish three things, “Esteghlal, Azadi, Jomhouri Eslami.”

Independence.

Freedom.

Islamic Republic.

We were fascinated by the epic tales of young students, some as young as thirteen who during the war had sacrificed themselves for the greater good of the society. We were made to believe that we were living in Utopia, but the delusion only lasted a few years. Before long, that once naïve and innocent generation of 1984 had grown to be the young men and women of Iran, the so called third generation of the revolution.

Faced with harsh realities of life we quickly came to realize that our world was far from the Utopia painted for us. It was more like a Dystopia where we had to fight for every single right, every single freedom.You have denied us so much.

Out of this dark age one day emerged a man with qualities of a hero who would lead this generation out of this Dystopia and into that promised paradise. His name was Mohammad Khatami. Yet it turned out that he was neither the hero everyone expected him to be, nor did he have the capacity or desire to lead them out. To be fair things started crawling toward progress and modernization; there was a smaller degree of social rights and freedom, but it did not come at the pace that this restless third generation wanted.

Thus a hero fell, and four years of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started.

By the end of the four years, we were desperate for change. Hope materialized in the shape of Mir Hossein Mousavi, who happened to be the prime minister that now long gone 1984. But the totalitarians ruling the Dystopia swooped in and crushed that last bit of hope.

In Brecht’s “Life of Galileo,” Galileo’s students condemn him at the end of the court proceedings with these words: “Pity the nation that doesn’t have a hero.”

“Pity the nation that needs a hero,” he responds wisely.

My generation is tired of being disillusioned. We refuse to accept the status quo and we have risen up in defiance. I am not sure how long it will take for the totalitarians to crush our resistance. For now though, we’re holding up just fine. We’re holding up fine even though our brothers at Basij and the police are murdering their dear fellow Iranians. We’re holding up even though you bash us with clubs and batons and try to suffocate us with your tear gas.

A nation stands tall refusing to succumb that easily.

Yesterday among the crowds who were just back from the warzone with their wounds and anger and sadness, I spotted an old friend of mine.

“Welcome to 1984, my friend,” he said in great anguish.

I nodded in agreement; we’d come full circle.

He went on, “There we were facing the bloodthirsty riot police, hand in hand, like that ‘Brothers in Arms’ song from Dire Straits.”

It was in that moment that I realized why the French Revolutionaries added “Fraternity” to their revolutionary slogan.

“Liberté, égalité, fraternité,” indeed.

On June 17 2009 15:05 broz0rs wrote:
Ahmadinejad is in Russia right now and he's not talking about the situation in Iran. At the same time, he's trying to shift attention from the protests to U.S imperialism.

Iran hasn't seen such public outcry since the Iran-Iraq war and he's still in Russia. This just boggles the mind. Why in hell is the 'elected' leader of his country avoiding the situation, while the Supreme Ayatollah has to resort to calming down his people?

Meanwhile, Obama is being very cautious, but is giving signals that he's willing to talk with whoever will be the President of Iran after the election has been settled. It's a great political decision.

On June 17 2009 03:49 Xeris wrote:


Why are you assuming an illiberal state is good? Do you not understand that there is more than one conception of what a successful state can be? Have you considered that people in the country are fairly pleased with how things are? Sure Iran is not a utopian society, but it is not this "backward, oppressive regime" that you people are making it out to believe. I know there are even many Iranians who think this way, most Iranians living outside Iran think this way, and there are perhaps even a few million IN Iran who also think that way. But a majority of the country doesn't. A majority of the country are deeply religious and are generally happy with the way things are. It is not our business to tell Iran what kind of government they should have, what they should do with their media, and how they should run elections.

Elections have not been a major problem up until now, because a reformist lost who happened to run a pretty strong, modern campaign... that's the only reason. If Iran was such a tyrannical, conservative state there is NO WAY Khatami would have been President for 8 years. Anyone who thinks Iran is some sort of authoritarian/dictatorship country would have a pretty hard time explaining why a massively popular Khatami (he was probably 10x more popular than Moussavi ever will be) was elected and RE-elected to the Presidency. If any election were to be rigged to put a conservative in office it would have been either the 97 election or the 2000 election

On June 17 2009 09:20 PadrinO wrote:

I think you need to take off your rose-colored glasses. Every reports coming out of the United States in the last few years have been indicating a decline in press freedom and increase in police abuse of political protests.

Sure, you don't shoot the protesters down but you charge them just as easily. The only way you can protest in the U.S. without getting in trouble is if you walk on the sidewalk. Maybe you should go to one of these protest sometime and see that your country isn't all that much greater than Iran when freedom is regarded.

#iranelection Scientific argument showing election was fraud using Benfords law. soon will be translated. http://www.entekhabnews.us/portal/index.php?news=6435

On June 17 2009 16:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Valid argument?