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On June 17 2009 19:03 oneill wrote:
Not related to the topic but I just hate Iranians. They loiter around our country nowadays, trying to study. First of all their English is very poor and they intend to learn Dentistry in our university. Also they are very rude and they don't have manners, they don't respect other people even their own country men. One incident is where they scratched about 3 professors cars and the Deans car. They also stabbed one Filipino. Just from my experience with Iranians here in my country. They are dirty people they don't even wash their clothes and they stink.
There is certainly a nasty stink here but I don't think it is your Iranians who are to blame.
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{CC}StealthBlue, just wanted to say thanks for keeping this thread alive and up to date. Appreciated. 
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your post made my day oneil
lol
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On June 17 2009 19:03 oneill wrote:
Not related to the topic but I just hate Iranians. They loiter around our country nowadays, trying to study. First of all their English is very poor and they intend to learn Dentistry in our university. Also they are very rude and they don't have manners, they don't respect other people even their own country men. One incident is where they scratched about 3 professors cars and the Deans car. They also stabbed one Filipino. Just from my experience with Iranians here in my country. They are dirty people they don't even wash their clothes and they stink.
Funny, I always thought the same about people from the Philippines in my country.
Cheer buddy
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Xeris wrote
What evidence do you have that the election was "so transparently rigged" ?
The same evidence you have that rigging 12 million votes is hard.
Xeris wrote
Everyone's making the protesters out to be these happy go lucky Iranians peacefully sitting around protesting. No, they're probably starting fires, breaking shit, insulting the government, etc.
God forbid someone should insult their government.
Xeris wrote
it's tough to get truly accurate information from Iran.
Unless you're Xeris?
Jibba wrote
I find it amusing that people who never paid any attention to Iran before (and probably still can't find Tehran on a map) are name dropping like crazy, and acting as if they understand the inner workings of Iranian domestic politics more than a poli sci grad student specializing on Iran. LR's post is especially ridiculous. Oh, you've got a friend and/or relatives of Iranian descent? Yeah, that doesn't mean shit.
JFC.. You think people who've read books know more about the country than the people of the country?
choboPEon wrote
You obviously see nothing from America
No, they do a great job at concealing it.
Xeris wrote
3) What does being a student in Cal's poli sci program mean? Are you somehow better or more qualified than me because your school is ranked 2nd and mine is ranked 6th? Have you written a 100 page thesis on Iran? How many books specifically have you read about Iranian politics? How often do you read Iranian news sites, and how often do you ask your Iranian best friend "hey what's the latest goings on in Iran?" I bet the answer to those questions are No, None, and Rarely.
Seriously dude. Now THAT is the coolest EPEEN contest ever!
I wanna join too! Xeris, how many family members have you lost in the 70's-80's to the Iranian government?
Oh oh.. and about your politically active family (the ones you haven't lost) how many books, articles, news papers have they WRITTEN on Iran since the 70's up untill now?
Hurry up an answer so we can see who's more correct!
Hamin ke beduni, manam irani hastam <3
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On June 17 2009 20:33 PadrinO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2009 19:03 oneill wrote:
Not related to the topic but I just hate Iranians. They loiter around our country nowadays, trying to study. First of all their English is very poor and they intend to learn Dentistry in our university. Also they are very rude and they don't have manners, they don't respect other people even their own country men. One incident is where they scratched about 3 professors cars and the Deans car. They also stabbed one Filipino. Just from my experience with Iranians here in my country. They are dirty people they don't even wash their clothes and they stink. Funny, I always thought the same about people from the Philippines in my country. Cheer buddy
GG
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Sometimes I wonder whether if Ahmadinejad had a chance to prove his victory if he did win. The secrecy that the Iranian government may have operated under make suspicion easy to fuel and hard to dispel and made this actually quite difficult even if he won mostly clean. Open and monitored elections is not there to protect the people from stolen elections, it is there to protect the government from the population as well.
His response of both ignoring and repression after the calls of vote fraud makes him more suspicious to those that already distrust him, but is it possible it is actually not that abnormal in the context of Iranian politics and it only flared up this time? (for example, if unsupported calls of fraud happens after every election and thus generally discredited on default?) From an outsider perspective and without accurate polling, we can't really say who really "ought" have won and can only speculate from the responses of the people involved after all.
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xeriS yoU dont even know freaKin farsi LULZ
your a disgrace to your parents country
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Its very cool to see the manisfestations and etc... will it actually do something ?
Are people dying for nothing ?
In brazil these kind of revolts manage to get us real elections
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On June 17 2009 22:47 epiclulzyojo wrote:
xeriS yoU dont even know freaKin farsi LULZ
your a disgrace to your parents country
what does that have to do with anything?
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On June 17 2009 21:28 Jayve wrote:Show nested quote +Xeris wrote
What evidence do you have that the election was "so transparently rigged" ? The same evidence you have that rigging 12 million votes is hard. Show nested quote +Xeris wrote
Everyone's making the protesters out to be these happy go lucky Iranians peacefully sitting around protesting. No, they're probably starting fires, breaking shit, insulting the government, etc. God forbid someone should insult their government. Unless you're Xeris? Show nested quote +Jibba wrote
I find it amusing that people who never paid any attention to Iran before (and probably still can't find Tehran on a map) are name dropping like crazy, and acting as if they understand the inner workings of Iranian domestic politics more than a poli sci grad student specializing on Iran. LR's post is especially ridiculous. Oh, you've got a friend and/or relatives of Iranian descent? Yeah, that doesn't mean shit. JFC.. You think people who've read books know more about the country than the people of the country? No, they do a great job at concealing it. Show nested quote +Xeris wrote
3) What does being a student in Cal's poli sci program mean? Are you somehow better or more qualified than me because your school is ranked 2nd and mine is ranked 6th? Have you written a 100 page thesis on Iran? How many books specifically have you read about Iranian politics? How often do you read Iranian news sites, and how often do you ask your Iranian best friend "hey what's the latest goings on in Iran?" I bet the answer to those questions are No, None, and Rarely. Seriously dude. Now THAT is the coolest EPEEN contest ever! I wanna join too! Xeris, how many family members have you lost in the 70's-80's to the Iranian government? Oh oh.. and about your politically active family (the ones you haven't lost) how many books, articles, news papers have they WRITTEN on Iran since the 70's up untill now? Hurry up an answer so we can see who's more correct! Hamin ke beduni, manam irani hastam <3
Good thing your name isn't LR. I've lost quite a bit of family members actually, thanks for your concern.
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That's it.. you only comment 1 thing..?
So how many books, articles, news papers and all that? Did I just win the epeen contest?
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On June 17 2009 21:28 Jayve wrote:Show nested quote +Jibba wrote
I find it amusing that people who never paid any attention to Iran before (and probably still can't find Tehran on a map) are name dropping like crazy, and acting as if they understand the inner workings of Iranian domestic politics more than a poli sci grad student specializing on Iran. LR's post is especially ridiculous. Oh, you've got a friend and/or relatives of Iranian descent? Yeah, that doesn't mean shit. JFC.. You think people who've read books know more about the country than the people of the country?
Yes. There's empirical learning and rational learning, and ideally you'll have both, but just because you're from a country doesn't mean you have either with regards to things like politics and so on. People who study a subject generally know more about it than people who don't. It's that simple. There's millions of people in every country who aren't engaged citizens, aren't that well educated and don't know much about their country simply because they live there. Even among those who are engaged, it doesn't mean they have a very clear view of the issues. This is hugely apparent in large countries. Would you rely on just New Yorkers to provide the political climate for the entire United States?
Interesting editorial out of Haaretz:
ANALYSIS / Don't write off Iran regime just yet
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel News
The scenes from Tehran are beginning to remind us of the tumultuous period leading to the fall of the Shah over three decades ago. Yet it is still too early to eulogize the Ayatollah's regime. Who better than clergymen to understand the structure and the history of revolutions in Iran.
Street protests, marches, and strikes make up the formula that has twice brought about regime change. It happened the first time in 1953, when a large-scale strike of workers in the oil industry led by Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq, who was swept into power and who forced the young Shah Reza Pahlavi to flee the country.
That same year, Mosaddeq was overthrown following riots that were organized by the CIA and British intelligence (MI6), and the Shah was restored to the throne. Mossadeq was placed on trial for treason and sentenced to three years in prison.
In 1979, the Shah was removed from power, thus marking the end of the Pahlavi dynasty. The Iranian revolution was characterized by massive demonstrations initiated by the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini and his followers.
If Mossad chief Meir Dagan is correct, and the alleged voting irregularities in Iran are no different than the mishaps which occur in democratic countries, then the latest developments further highlight the notion that the current tensions have less to do with the election results per se. At the most, allegations of voter fraud are just an excuse, or a pretext.
The power struggle behind the scenes, which is important in and of itself, between Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and former president Hashemi Rafsanjani does not lie at the heart of the matter. Khamenei and Rafsanjani are in a tug-of-war for influence, control, and power within the regime.
Indeed, Rafsanjani is perceived by Khamenei and Ahmadinejad as the individual backing Mousavi and the reformist camp. But Rafsanjani, Khamenei, and Mousavi are all products of the Islamic Revolution. They are proteges of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Khomeini. Their goal is not to change the character of the Islamic regime.
But the supporters that have rallied around Mousavi have other goals in mind. This is a coalition of students and young people whose future holds limited opportunities for meaningful employment, women who have been marginalized from the public landscape, and a middle class that has taken up the cause of human rights. They are not willing to settle for the crumbs that have been sent their way by Khamenei, who is now proposing a partial recount of the votes, perhaps even new elections. They want freedom and democracy. Some of them wish to go further, demanding that Iran become a full-fledged democracy.
Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, and the Revolutionary Guards, the pillar on which the regime's power rests, all understand the dilemma with which they have to deal: if they give the order to brutally crack down on the riots, which have already spread to other cities, they are liable to ignite an even bigger conflagration.
If they do not suppress the demonstrations, they will be perceived as weaklings who blinked first. In turn, this could whet the appetites of the demonstrators, perhaps moving them to issue more demands.
Iran has reached its fork in the road. The direction in which it turns depends only on the working class. The demonstrators today are those from the middle class, those who are not deprived and who are now working towards attaining freedom and liberty. If they gain the support of the working class, the weaker sectors of the society, the poor, the texture of the campaign will take on a completely new dimension. The demand for freedom will be coupled with the demand for bread. In this case, it is difficult to assess whether the regime can withstand such a development. BTW, here's the article with the Mossad chief's comments. Granted, the Israeli government would probably prefer Ahmadinejad in power, but Mossad still is probably the best intelligence agency in the Middle East.
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On June 18 2009 00:45 Jayve wrote:
That's it.. you only comment 1 thing..?
So how many books, articles, news papers and all that? Did I just win the epeen contest?
What epeen contest? It would be unbecoming of me to get into an argument with someone who hasn't even contributed to the thread at all; I was replying to LR. Frankly what you or your family has or hasn't done doesn't concern me because I wasn't arguing with you.
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New BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8104466.stm
Mostly interesting as it has a video of the Iranian Soccer Team sporting green wristbands in the game against Korea (video towards the middle of the article).
Also from the article, in relation to today's turnout: "Some estimates say between 70,000 and 100,000, others up to 500,000."
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On June 17 2009 22:47 epiclulzyojo wrote:
xeriS yoU dont even know freaKin farsi LULZ
your a disgrace to your parents country
you cant say parents because hes hes half persian half egyptian.. so its understandable
shomah farsi sobat mi koneen?
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I found this thread quite informative, and really interesting however I feel like its getting deraield by everyone attacking xeris, can we just stick to reports, perhaps speculate/debated in a different thread?
Just saying I don't want to wade through 10 posts of arguement just to find an update.
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On June 18 2009 01:46 iamtt1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2009 22:47 epiclulzyojo wrote:
xeriS yoU dont even know freaKin farsi LULZ
your a disgrace to your parents country you cant say parents because hes hes half persian half egyptian.. so its understandable shomah farsi sobat mi koneen?
half Turkish yo =D
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