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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 23:55:33
June 17 2009 23:55 GMT
#441
Surprise Surprise! Look who is beating ppl in the streets: http://bit.ly/1pjoF #iranelection


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PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
June 17 2009 23:59 GMT
#442
Who is that guy¿?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 00:46:42
June 18 2009 00:42 GMT
#443
On June 17 2009 09:11 MarklarMarklar wrote:
"CFI
1. I wonder if Admiral Shamkhani makes a move tomorrow, marines already prevent IRG from arresting him. he's also a war hero & ex-def minister.half a minute ago from web"

what kind of move, huh? this is a interesting post


I was hoping there would news or some result on what has happened since the last Tweet regarding Ali Shamkhani. Marines were preventing the guard from arresting him? That can't be the end of the story there has to be some developments since then.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 02:48 GMT
#444
A repeated allegation from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/world/middleeast/14memo.html

One employee of the Interior Ministry, which carried out the vote count, said the government had been preparing its fraud for weeks, purging anyone of doubtful loyalty and importing pliable staff members from around the country.


"They didn't rig the vote," claimed the man, who showed his ministry identification card but pleaded not to be named. "They didn't even look at the vote. They just wrote the name and put the number in front of it."


And from a Huffington Post:
As a smart Iranian-American reader pointed out, the best evidence of potential fraud is that the alleged results indicate that Mousavi did not even win his hometown. Now, Mousavi comes from a minority background in Iran, and in his hometown, virtually everyone is from the same minority. As the reader noted, "it's almost like having Obama getting only 20-30% of the African American vote." It's not direct evidence of fraud -- just highly improbable.


Though as been said neither are proof of fraud, as well as the Benford's Law hasn't been proven either. Still haven't found a translation of the said page yet. Hoping someone can just translate the Math and prove if it is valid or not.

Recent Tweets:

Ahmadinejad supporters setting up sites to claim we & other reliable sources r spammers: http://bit.ly/3DdvYA pls debunk #IranElection


Men in civilian clothes attacked Day hospital in Tehran http://bit.ly/aSe4s #iranelection


ABC Reports: Bay Area Iranian community starts marathon 24-hour protest against the election http://tiny.cc/7bgSg #iranelection


Iran protest videos shown on YouTube. http://bit.ly/1MZtg #iranelection
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 05:38 GMT
#445


Students were taken to the underground of the interior ministry. Plainclothes attacked the university, insulting them and beating them up.
Once they were taken to the underground, guards continued to torture them. Some of them went to the Evin prison
A group of around 46 with a minibus were taken to the basement of the interior ministry blindfolded.
When in the bus, they were put in seats where above above them were metal cans. Basij would come by and hit the cans to torture them. This was awful mental torture.
They noticed at the point the bus turned that they were going underground. From Basij comments, they knew they were going to the basement of the interior ministry.
The place they were held appeared 100 m size (not sure if square or distance)
The floor was covered with black ash and steam was coming out of it. Students were forced to lie on the ground and roll across it. If they hit someone elses feet, they'd get hit with baton.
The guards kept asking, "are you going to make revolution?" and issued family insults
Around 50 students, 20 plainclothes/guards
Later, when sitting on the ground, they were continuously told to look down and then up. After a few minutes of staring at the ground, they would receive a kick to the face. "why aren't you looking at the ground?" they'd then say.
While doing this, there was the sound of breaking bricks. They were told it was from workers who were behind the building working, but it was obvious it was purposeful. This was awful mental torture.
The bathrooms were inhumane. They did not have doors or covers, and students only had 30 seconds to go to the bathroom. One student whose pants was down was kicked out to be revealed to others.
One student was injured in the eye earlier. He said his eyes were hurting badly, said losing eyesight. He then received a kick to his face.
Another student with a broken leg, and in the corner, they didn't treat well.
Almost no water offered. Students were lined up in 5s one behind another, and a little water was poured over them quickly.
One of the head officers asked jokingly if their thirsts were quenched. The officers responded saying yes. The head officer then asked "then why is one in corner dying?" Soldiers took a hose and shot boiling water at all of them.
Students were given old macaroni in their hands. They were fearful to eat the food because they were told that if it fell to the floor full of ash, they'd have to eat it or suffer kicking otherwise.
The morning after, they received a old, dry piece of bread with piece of cheese. They had to split the bread with the person next to him. Since the bread was so dry, many crumbs would fall, and they had to pick the pieces up from the ashes.

Another ugly and dirty torture was sexual torture. They are so embarrassed that they don't want to say what happened. Once transferred to police station, the sexual torture continued.

This one day stay was the worst of their lives. Sometimes, they felt like they'd be there forever, and that no one would help. after an hour in the place, while rolling in the ground, one student began to cry, which led to the rest breaking down as well.

One of the agents who went to the basement said to the students that their experience would be 1000x worse than guantanamo.

The students were taken later to security police. They were taken to a press conference with Chancellor Dr Rahbar and a member of Majlis. The students were given shirts to cover up their blood, and the government media showed up to report. The Chancellor said the students of Tehran University were fine, but that they would still look into the allegations that the Basij had treated students poorly. If he was caring for the students, he would have prevented the attacks to begin with.

How is it possible in a country claiming to be islamic that such crimes to humanity could happen? Who is responsible for these actions?
Why is the interior ministry that is supposed to protect the people a place of torture? It is the duty of all people from the universities to guard the truth and safeguard the integrity of the universities, and they swear to reveal these torture places in the country.


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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
June 18 2009 05:45 GMT
#446
wow.

I thought it was quieting up, but holy shit it's just getting worse and worse...

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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 18 2009 05:55 GMT
#447
my dad just told me that the protests are getting a lot more peaceful and controlled (from Moussavi's side).
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 18 2009 06:11 GMT
#448
On June 18 2009 14:55 Xeris wrote:
my dad just told me that the protests are getting a lot more peaceful and controlled (from Moussavi's side).

Yeah, the pictures looked that way. Today's seemed to feature more giant marches and less burning motorbikes.

I still feel that I don't know what has happened.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 06:42 GMT
#449
All relies on how the Government handles the rallies on Thursday and especially on Friday.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 18 2009 06:44 GMT
#450
When were those tortures?
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 18 2009 06:48 GMT
#451
I just wish they would stop using election rigging as a pretext for protesting. What they are really after are more freedoms and increased rights and a reduction of the power of the Supreme Leader. It's not about the election it's about freedoms, that is a cause I can more easily rally behind rather than people talking about election rigging.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 06:50 GMT
#452
I think some students who were released are sayin they were beaten. Also some protesters who were arrested have yet to be released there whereabouts are unknown. There were also reports of authorities just coming into hospitals and arresting wounded protesters.

In Parl: Some MPs wanted 2 reveal "real identity" of plain cloth police&Ahmadinejad supporters disagreed&fight broke.(etemaad) #iranelection


[Update] International calls TO iran still possible using calling cards. No words on fax yet. #iranelection


[Trusted] International calls from iran now only possible through the state-run land-line. #iranelection


In the parliament, discussion on illegal acts by plain cloth police turns into physical fights! (etemaad.ir) #iranelection
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 18 2009 07:03 GMT
#453
On June 18 2009 15:48 Xeris wrote:
I just wish they would stop using election rigging as a pretext for protesting. What they are really after are more freedoms and increased rights and a reduction of the power of the Supreme Leader. It's not about the election it's about freedoms, that is a cause I can more easily rally behind rather than people talking about election rigging.


Fair enough statement. Everyone knows either politician is bull crap. Still, sometimes the catalyst is there and you have to use it to start. For Americans, a small protest over a tea tax spilled over into what became the Revolution War - the election rigging (if true) is a prime example of a shadow government. Once you can band enough people you can make demands. Until then they need a specific cause to stand behind.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 18 2009 07:13 GMT
#454
On June 18 2009 16:03 Railz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 15:48 Xeris wrote:
I just wish they would stop using election rigging as a pretext for protesting. What they are really after are more freedoms and increased rights and a reduction of the power of the Supreme Leader. It's not about the election it's about freedoms, that is a cause I can more easily rally behind rather than people talking about election rigging.


Fair enough statement. Everyone knows either politician is bull crap. Still, sometimes the catalyst is there and you have to use it to start. For Americans, a small protest over a tea tax spilled over into what became the Revolution War - the election rigging (if true) is a prime example of a shadow government. Once you can band enough people you can make demands. Until then they need a specific cause to stand behind.


Yes I'm aware of that, however I think its just worse that they are protesting the election specifically when that's really not the issue at hand.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 07:17 GMT
#455
Today's protest is ONLY in Toopkhaneh Sq at 4pm according to Kalameh. Mousavi is going to be there.


There was a rumor that Khamenei is not going to the Friday prayer which turned out to be result of no update on of the government websites.


Hopefully nothing will happen.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 18 2009 08:00 GMT
#456
Mr Rezai has 650,000 vote, but today he has published a list of 900,000 people with their national code who vote for him


New threat for people informing others on internet about iran coup http://gerdab.ir/fa/pages/?...


[from Iran]: In Iran ppl are more scared of being arrested. Some ppl were arrested on charges of "Allaho akbar" at nights. #iranelection
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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 15:19:33
June 18 2009 15:16 GMT
#457
An interesting video from C-span:

C-Span

I am inclined to agree with at least this sentiment that it is reasonable that Ahmadinejad would win this election legitimately. Respectable people like Juan Cole, and Fred Kaplan are calling it a fraud, but they are getting a lot more play in the media than respectable sources saying otherwise. Most of the coverage has been about the post election reaction rather than the election itself, which I think are separate issues. I also think it would be naive to think that there is not some sort of foreign influence involved in these protests. There are countries that have a vested interest in destabilizing Iran, and I don't see them standing back and watching this opportunity pass by. That being said, what if Ahmadinejad really did win?
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 16:55:45
June 18 2009 16:53 GMT
#458
Amateur video of today's protest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8107866.stm

Summary of today's updates from another thread (few major news station confirmed - harder to get information from normal news due to Iran's news ban).

18th of June - The protests show no signs of slowing down, and the fact that the government has been less violent so far and concentrating on discrediting the protesters instead shows that they are losing grip and painfully aware of all the attention given to what is happening right now, CNN notwithstanding. It's also a worrying step, because the moment they start feeling they are losing grip even more is the moment where they might begin to unleash brutal waves of violence again, much worse than what we've seen so far.

- There is a (so far) quiet march going on, where all the protesters are dressed in black and mourning those who have died so far. The crowds are estimated to be as big as they have been for the last few days, so that puts them between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 in Tehran alone.

- The State TV has been turned into a full-blown anti-Revolution machine, constantly hammering on how evil the "thugs" who are smashing around private property are. Problem is that those thugs are in fact Basij dressed in green, but IRIB is reporting it as pro-Moussavi supporters. They have also been showing documentaries about the evils of the internet and how the US, UK and Israel are behind the protests. State Radio is not much better, with talking heads calling for the death of those evil thugs destabilizing the country at the behest of external forces. They have also issued false reports that Moussavi was "condeming the rioters".

- The Government has closed Iran to all foreign communication and coverage, according to many reports. It would also seem that the Iranian government has opened an account in the name of Ayatollah Khameini on Twitter. There are reports that senior aides to all reformist candidates have been arrested, but it has yet to be collaborated and this is not the first time we hear such reports.

- According to Reuters, Iranian prosecutors have warned of the death penalty for the rioters who are involved in violence. Islamic cleric have warned that not going to Friday's prayer service makes you worthy of the death penalty. It is unclear yet what isn't worthy of death penalty at this point if you protest against the regime.

- All the violence reported over Iran is now exclusively done by the Basij, Ansar and, if the rumours are true, Hizbullah and Hams. The police have completely stopped participating in the repression of the population, and both the Army and IRG are standing still and not doing anything. This is good news, but the Basij are sadly not reducing the level of violence they are unleashing on the population, beating up everyone they can get their hands on. It continued all throughout the night and during the day, but due to the mass of people involved it seems that they are restraining themselves when it comes to the mass rallies, preferring to pick isolated targets.

- Universities have cancelled all exams all over the country, and a long list of rebel students was given to all universities and they have to report the students, who are to be arrested on sight.

- There have been a few confirmed cases of people threatened inside the United States for providing proxies for the revolution. Their details were available on the internet so they were passed around pro-Government forces. If you are helping this revolution, be careful to do so as anonymously as you can. It doesn't mean you are risking your life, but it could potentially result in harrassment or vandalism
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
June 18 2009 17:10 GMT
#459
On June 18 2009 16:13 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 16:03 Railz wrote:
On June 18 2009 15:48 Xeris wrote:
I just wish they would stop using election rigging as a pretext for protesting. What they are really after are more freedoms and increased rights and a reduction of the power of the Supreme Leader. It's not about the election it's about freedoms, that is a cause I can more easily rally behind rather than people talking about election rigging.


Fair enough statement. Everyone knows either politician is bull crap. Still, sometimes the catalyst is there and you have to use it to start. For Americans, a small protest over a tea tax spilled over into what became the Revolution War - the election rigging (if true) is a prime example of a shadow government. Once you can band enough people you can make demands. Until then they need a specific cause to stand behind.


Yes I'm aware of that, however I think its just worse that they are protesting the election specifically when that's really not the issue at hand.


By switching attn from 'rigged election' to 'popular freedom' or whatever, it gives the government more of an excuse to crack down on the demonstrators; they can spin it as an attack on the Islamic Republic's fundamental tenets

so I think it's a wise move, even if it's not the actual contended issue.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 18 2009 18:28 GMT
#460
On June 19 2009 01:53 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:


- Universities have cancelled all exams all over the country, and a long list of rebel students was given to all universities and they have to report the students, who are to be arrested on sight.



wow... what is going on..
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